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jazak
06-08-2006, 09:57 AM
If you could start a new excavation company and money to purchase equipment wasn't an issue.

What type of work would you go into?

Where in the country?

What machines would you purchase? This is the only catch you are limited to 5 machines in the begining.

What trucks would you buy? You are limited to 5.

What trailers would you buy? You are limited to 3.

How would you design your shop? and how would you outfit it?

jazak
06-08-2006, 09:58 AM
Machines:
Cat 305 w/ thumb, 3 buckets
Cat 314 w/ thumb, 4 buckets
Cat 430E IT, 4x4, ext hoe, forks, thumb, breaker
Cat D5G w/ laser level
Cat 908 or 262B w/ forks, bucket, broom, cold planer

Trucks:
F-350 Crew Cab, all opts, fuel tank (my truck)
F-550 ext cab, 10' aluminum dump, all opts
Peterbilt 335 all opts
Peterbilt 357 all opts, tri-axle dump w/ 20' tag
Peterbilt 357 all opts, tri-axle tractor w/ 55 ton lowboy & dump trailer

Building:
Aircompressors
Welders
Hydrolic lifts
My own office
Heated & AC
Insulated
Lift cranes
100' h x 400' l x 200' w keep all the stuff in it plus some
& all the little toys
4 Wash bays
2 Welding. fabrication areas
1 Painting area

The place I would service all of NJ some of NY and PA. The work any thing that isn't to big and anything that pays good. A while later I would get a F550 & Pete 335 service truck, a Cat 321 ex, a Cat 330, a Cat 308, a Cat 924G loader, a Cat 930 a Cat CS-563E compactor, 2 Cat 740 arictulated dump trucks & 5 more of each 357 Pete and 2 more 357 tractors.

Scag48
06-08-2006, 02:08 PM
Machines:
-Cat 312CL, hyd thumb and coupler, hoepac, 24", 36", 60" buckets
-Cat 320CL, hyd thumb and coupler, Indeco breaker, 42" and 60" buckets
-Cat 420E, cab + air, 4x4, extendahoe, 4-in-1 bucket
-Cat D5N, cab + air, dual slope laser grading system or GPS grading system
-Cat 924G, cab + air, hydraulic coupler, smooth lip bucket

Trucks:
-Ford F550, flatbed, transfer tank, underbody and high side toolboxes
-Kenworth T600 service truck, Autocrane 5,000 pound crane
-(2) Kenworth T800, 1 with a 16' Workman rock body dump, high lift gate, the other with a 16' Sturdy Weld box (built right here in Lynnwood!). Both trucks with 500 HP Cat power, 18 speed, front lift axle, rated for 105,000 each.
-Kenworth T800 tractor, 550 HP Cat power, 18 speed, lift axle, rated for 140,000

Trailers:
-Trailmax TRD-54 tilt
-Talbert 55 ton lowboy
-SideDump'r, frame body

Shop:
-1 big arc welder, 1 MIG
-100 gallon compressor
-Air ventiliation system
-1 20 ton hydraulic lift
-100 x 200'

If I had my way, we'd be doing only development work. In the coming years, we'd add a Cat 330CL, 345BLII, 365CL, (2) Cat 631G scrapers, (2) Ingersoll Rand 10 ton rollers, 1 with sheepsfoot and 1 with smooth drum, (3) Volvo A40D ADT's, Cat 950G wheel loader, Cat D6RXL dozer, SU blade equipped with dual plane grading system, (2) Cat D8T equipped with dual plane grading system.

NNJLandman
06-08-2006, 02:15 PM
jazak why would you waste money on a dump trailer if you have all those dump trucks already? Where in NJ are you located.

Jeff

Scag48
06-08-2006, 03:32 PM
Because the "dump trailer" he's talking about is probably a 20 ton end dump, not a weenie one you pull behind a pickup.

Gravel Rat
06-08-2006, 03:43 PM
For me its K.I.S.S.

Kubota 161 Mini ex
John Deere or Hitachi 160 and a 200 or 690 Deere
580 or 590 Case Backhoe
1 Tandem axle dump truck Kenworth T-800 basic West Coast truck 450hp 20-46 axles with standard 16'6" dump box.
1 Tilt trailer to haul the excavators.

No need for wheel loaders no need for bulldozers not used enough to warrent having them waste of money for us. A rubber tired backhoe can do 90% of the grading.

No need for a lowbed and truck tractor don't want equipment that needs it. Cheaper to higher a trucking company a lowbed doesn't make money it costs you money. If the work warrents it maybe have two dump trucks in total no need for more they don't make money.

For a shop have one large enough to get any piece of equipment in don't need a huge shop you just get nailed with taxes. The shop would have enough tools to do most repairs rest of it can be sent away. The shop need good lighting and heat.

Don't need service trucks just more expenses maybe have a company truck say a F-450. What ever needs repaired can go back to the shop why fix things in the field.

I know guys that had lots of equipment with a decent payroll of employees gave it all up and went small. You will make more enough money with the equipment I listed above more equipment you have more headaches you have.

One guy I meantioned him before anyhow he had a bunch of excavators got rid of it all bought a 8000lb mini and thats all he does now. He makes more money with the mini he says its less stress, less headaches.

All you want is a company with you and 2-3 employees its easy to keep them busy no big payroll to deal with. Why would you want to be stressed out trying to manage a big company life is too short to be dealing with high stress that will kill you. The money is in doing residential construction small jobs get paid and move onto the next one.

When you talk to guys with 30 years in business they always say keep it small and simple get to big then your just looking for headaches.

murray83
06-08-2006, 04:38 PM
ok i'm game....

-deere 160C with a thumb,digging & ditching bucket
-deere 310SG 4x4,ex-hoe
-20 ton BWS tandem tag along
-a basic tandem with a 15' dump

shop..hmmm probably 25x50 at my house,regular tools (hand and air) and a nice miller mig welder and torch set.

just do lot clearing/new home excavation,septic systems,water & sewer lines,if i'm not busy i'd do trucking work for other local contractors and hire my equipment to them.

i have to agree dozers in residential work are basically useless anyone can grade a lot with an excavator and loaders are only used in pits or heavy truck loading.

2004F550
06-08-2006, 04:50 PM
wow two D8T's...thats only 1 mil lol

M RASCOE&SONS
06-08-2006, 05:19 PM
machines
cat -330
cat -972
cat -D5
cat -430 ext hoe 4x4
cat -345
trucks
pete triaxle rolloff with cat 550 18speed
pete triaxle dump with cat 550 18speed
pete triaxle heavy hauler cat 600 18 speed
advance mixer with cat pwr
advance mixer with cat pwr
trailors
triaxle demo dump trailor
lowbed
double axle dump trailor
shop
5 bays with one bay set up with pit to change oils
would have to be set up with snap on tools
welders .compressors.heat and ac
outside covered wash bay with hot and cold pressure washer
office space would be big enough for future office manager ,myself ,and jobsite foreman.
we would mainly stay on the shoreline and surounding towns:drinkup:

jazak
06-08-2006, 05:35 PM
jazak why would you waste money on a dump trailer if you have all those dump trucks already? Where in NJ are you located.

Jeff

I live in Rockaway. Why?

Because the "dump trailer" he's talking about is probably a 20 ton end dump, not a weenie one you pull behind a pickup.

Exactly SCAG48

mrusk
06-08-2006, 07:52 PM
Heres my list...

CAT 307
CAT 322
CAT 277
CAT D5G
Not sure on size for a wheeled loader..


Trucks- CHEVY 5500 WITH LPac and flatbed with lots of tool boxes
Mack Granite tandem dump
Mack Granite triaxle roll off
Mack single axle Granite roll off

A couple trailers and maybe a tractor/low boy to move the 322 around on.

And the biggest shop i could afford to build!


Gravel Rat- I doubt you could put 7 figures into your pocket at the end of the year with 2-3 employees and keeping it small. I don't know about you, but that 7 figure take home pay sounds good. There are several excavators in my area pulling down those #s.

Scag48
06-08-2006, 08:16 PM
A local company around here has about 130 employees and I'd be willing to bet their yearly gross revenues are around $15-20 million. Only about 10 years ago, they were about 1/4 their current size. That's how I plan to get our business off the ground, nobody wants to take the risk and run with the big dogs. For now, we'll stay small with smaller equipment, but there's more money and less competition on the larger jobs in our area.

murray83
06-08-2006, 08:17 PM
why does 7 figures matter?

mrusk
06-08-2006, 08:21 PM
why does 7 figures matter?


UH because i do not go to work each day and work 12+ hours and deal with loads of BS to make what a walmart worker makes. I'm in business to make money and alot of it.

SCAG and if a company has 130 employees i bet they are closer to 50-100 million a year.

Scag48
06-08-2006, 08:27 PM
It's hard to say, they're everywhere. I can't keep track of how many sites they're on at any given time.

murray83
06-08-2006, 08:53 PM
i work for a civil contractor with 378 employees...we only made 3 million profit last year.

the bigger you are the easier it is for it all to crumble....you get so big that you can't afford to take on smaller work even medium size jobs aren't worth the effort,you have so many employees that you need a complete staff to run things...we have 5 civil engineers,and 5 secretary's...sorry,i don't want that BS over my shoulders too many mouths to feed,and you have to find work to keep your men busy.

we were sued 8 1/2 million in march cuz of an issue at our pit,our owner has more visits to kangaroo court than anything else,hell i have to testify soon cuz some dummy decided to go 4wheeling in our quarry and got hurt and sadly...he'll win.

sounds like a sweet life being a large outfit,if you think your not going to be working 12 hours a day i think you need another line of work just too many headaches and too much to loose in the end

as the saying goes....bigger they are,harder they fall

Gravel Rat
06-08-2006, 09:10 PM
Why would anybody want a company that big there are forestry contractors closing up shop because there is no work. These guys have tons of equipment some of them have had 150 guys working for them.

Myself I would rather have the equipment paid for and make 80,000 dollars in profit for the year. Our CND gov't soaks us good for taxes more you make more they squeeze.

There is more to life than working 24-7. Like I said I know contractors that used to be big time they said never again its not worth it you don't have a life.

Scag48
06-08-2006, 09:35 PM
I work hard now so I can retire at 50, that's my goal. Then at 50, I'll start a photography business. I'll never stop working, it's just who I am.

AintNoFun
06-08-2006, 10:45 PM
why work in jersey, there isn't enough work around here and its only gonna get worse, id rather go to florida were building is going on 24/7 and you can work year round.


I live in Rockaway. Why?

Because the "dump trailer" he's talking about is probably a 20 ton end dump, not a weenie one you pull behind a pickup.

Exactly SCAG48

Squizzy246B
06-09-2006, 06:22 AM
If you could start a new excavation company and money to purchase equipment wasn't an issue.


Then I'd keep the money and move to the Bahamas

mrusk
06-09-2006, 09:56 AM
why work in jersey, there isn't enough work around here and its only gonna get worse, id rather go to florida were building is going on 24/7 and you can work year round.


I'm moving out of jersey at the end of the year.

jazak
06-09-2006, 10:02 AM
why work in jersey, there isn't enough work around here and its only gonna get worse, id rather go to florida were building is going on 24/7 and you can work year round.

I live here now but if I was to have my Dream Team I would go to NC. I actually am thinking of maybe moving there anyway because of all the work.

Canon Landscaping
06-09-2006, 06:49 PM
when u get so big u are always one bad job away from going under u just try to hold it together long enough to sell out my family's company is like the 60th largest landscape company in the country 2004 revenue was around 17 million since then it has grown. http://www.whcanon.com

AintNoFun
06-09-2006, 06:54 PM
I'm moving out of jersey at the end of the year.


where ya heading to?

tylermckee
06-10-2006, 04:19 AM
cat 305
cat 315 w/ hoe pac and a breaker
cat 320 all machines with thumbs, quick coupler, and plumbed for breaker/hoe pac
cat 430 backhoe
cat d5
And a decent single drum roller, havent looked up what would suit my needs
and a big walk behind plate compactor

for a truck probably a t800 with transfer and a tilt trailer for equipment.
a couple of 3500 gmc pick ups with contractor bodies for operators and pipe layers.

I would expand as i found more employees that were worth a damn.

ksss
06-10-2006, 08:45 PM
Bahamas? I hear Australia is nice. When I did my tour at the "tip of the Spear" we were supposed to stop in Perth. We ended up staying longer in Thailand. Which wasn't a bad thing either.

My dream (maybe)

CASE 225 CR excavator
Takeuchi TB53 (cab and AC/heat this time around)
465 skid steer
440 skid steer
721 wheel loader

378 Pete's with Big power Cummins 18 speeds
2 17' dumps with drop axles and 1 side dump trailer.
All equipment trailers would be Towmaster.

I would work the residential and smaller commerical market with the larger equipment and expand the laser grading end of things and the market I am already in. I am in a position now to expand to the above equipment. Like some said. Bigger does not ensure better or success. It surely will give larger headaches.

Stroker
06-11-2006, 12:35 AM
Dream team.... money no problem

CAT D11 Dozer
Cat 12G Motor Grader
Komatsu PC-400 Excavator

No lowboy because I will never move them

Maybe some trucks just because I like them.

A fully supplied shop in which I pay somebody else to work in.

Since equipment will be on 100 acre permanent site. A couple hours a day I move dirt or destroy stuff for some reason. Havent decided what I will do yet. Doesn't matter, nap time is more important....

Office on site, LA-Z-BOY, Kegerator, never ending supply of Hot Pockets and Ice Cream, 60 inch plasma TV, lap top, high speed connection ofcourse.. HOT Secretary and dumb as a sack of bricks

oh yeah, hours will be 10-5 Mon-Thurs only.. Or whenever I feel like being there.

gammon landscaping
06-11-2006, 02:14 AM
why all the cat 430s? they are oversized and to big to be useful as a backhoe.
my set up would be
953c
420d-it
287 skid
305c
315c
all with hammers and thumbs. and no cabs hate not being able see

3 mack tri axeles with the 427's

2 ford 550's with mechcanics bodys
1 ford 550 with a 12 foot dump( don't fuss it is to pull the skid and mini)

no shop it would all be under warrenty and i would trade the day it runs out

and i would work here, plenty of work and it is beutiful

tylermckee
06-11-2006, 02:27 AM
Big backhoe would be good for what i would be using it for, mostly site development. Moving material, backfilling trenches, moving pipe, moving catch basins, using hoepac/breaker, etc.

Gravel Rat
06-11-2006, 03:04 AM
The perfect size backhoe is a 590 Case 4x4 or a Deere 410 4x4 they can do anything you need and they can get into places where you need to go.

There are a few old backhoes around here that are the size of 710 Deere they are just too big.

2004F550
06-11-2006, 09:21 AM
we have two 410's and a 710....the 710 is much bigger but it can also do much more work...it lift and carry like a real loader and dig like a 12 ton shovel....they both have their place though, just depends on the job

murray83
06-11-2006, 10:26 AM
if i went cat....the 430 is the only way to go.the digging force is beyond what any small contractor would need.

the 420's are basically the 416 and they were useless :(

NNJLandman
06-12-2006, 01:16 AM
Rockaway, no kidding, I work up that way all the time, Im outta Butler.

Jeff

jazak
06-12-2006, 02:06 PM
What is the name of your company?

Squizzy246B
06-13-2006, 11:37 AM
Bahamas? I hear Australia is nice. When I did my tour at the "tip of the Spear" we were supposed to stop in Perth. We ended up staying longer in Thailand. Which wasn't a bad thing either.



Ok, I'm off to the Maldives then...this place will be full of bloody yanks with all new dream machines shortly.

Screw the trucks and machines;)

jazak
06-13-2006, 12:20 PM
I made this thread to see what EQUIPMENT you guys would want to have in your "Dream Team". Not see where you wanted to go move to. If you would have rather gone into another profession then say that but don't say I would take the money and run. :hammerhead:

Squizzy246B
06-14-2006, 09:43 AM
Wow...Just thought a little humour wouldn't hurt:dizzy: but well...here it is

ASV RC 30
ASV SR 80 with Grapples
my current 248B (with VTS available) and new pickup broom

Yanmar VIO 8 tonne excavator with thumb
Cat 304 Excavator
Cat 302.5
Cat IT14 Wheel Loader
2 x Merlo Tracked Dumper Buggies

Isuzu 4.5 tonne dump
Isuzu 3 tonne D/cab tools truck
Isuzu 9 tonne dump (auto)
Isuzu 12 tonne double axle low deck (to carry the 8 tonne Ex or maybe a 312 if'n I have anymore dreams)
Isuzu 14 tonne double axle dump with triple axle dog.

And somebodies to drive all this stuff who aren't dope smoking morons!

jazak
06-14-2006, 12:55 PM
Squzzy246B I didn't mean to come across as mad. I am just annoyed that lots of the guys posted all said the same thing which really has nothing to do with my question.

Mike33
06-14-2006, 08:57 PM
If moey was not an issue. I would total up what everyone named in eq. and not be in the construction business. I would invest in a business where i could sit in a ac office in the summer and heat in the winter and not worry about the heat, excess rain un able to work and not have to plow snow in the winter.
To answer your quetion i am a 2 man company and been giving thought to your ? for some time. I now operate with a 185 bobcat, hoe attm., landscape rake, pallet forks, dump trailer, and turf maker hydr-seeder.
I would buy another 185 cat, mini excavater, pete or kw sinle axle that i could haul 12 in md. legal.
Mike

tylermckee
06-15-2006, 02:41 AM
Yanmar VIO 8 tonne excavator with thumb


Am i crazy, or have i seen you say the phrase,
'better your sister in ***** house, than your brother on a yanmar.' before?

Squizzy246B
06-15-2006, 08:28 AM
Am i crazy, or have i seen you say the phrase,
'better your sister in ***** house, than your brother on a yanmar.' before?

Honda Tyler...Honda...in reference to motorcycles:) Lol