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Liquidfast
06-27-2006, 04:11 PM
than a more expensive Ferris ZTR??? My cub resi has a 22 hp kawi and the Ferris has a 19 hp kawi. Hmmmmmmmmmmm.

zim bob the landscaper
06-27-2006, 04:30 PM
yes but for what i hear those are resi engines on the cub a commercial engine on the ferris. i dont know if im right but thats what ive heard.

TLS
06-27-2006, 05:29 PM
To the best of my knowledge, Kawasaki only makes one line.

mowtech
06-27-2006, 05:48 PM
To the best of my knowledge, Kawasaki only makes one line.

Kawasaki in general does not make consumer engines. The exception is that they make a consumer version of the FJ180V 6.0 hp lawnmower engine, but I'm not aware that anyone is using it.

In their air-cooled V-twin vertical shaft FH series from 13 hp thru 19 hp they offer two versions: the standard version and the "KAI" version. The KAI version has some improvements over the standard series, but both are considered commercial grade. Another difference can be the air cleaner. The 19 hp can come with an optional canister style air cleaner as can the larger engines.

Note that Kawasaki does not make a 22 horsepower engine. They make a 21 hp and 23 hp.

traman
06-27-2006, 06:20 PM
Kawasaki in general does not make consumer engines. The exception is that they make a consumer version of the FJ180V 6.0 hp lawnmower engine, but I'm not aware that anyone is using it.

In their air-cooled V-twin vertical shaft FH series from 13 hp thru 19 hp they offer two versions: the standard version and the "KAI" version. The KAI version has some improvements over the standard series, but both are considered commercial grade. Another difference can be the air cleaner. The 19 hp can come with an optional canister style air cleaner as can the larger engines.

Note that Kawasaki does not make a 22 horsepower engine. They make a 21 hp and 23 hp.
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mowtech
06-27-2006, 06:43 PM
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Kawasaki does not make a 22 hp air cooled engine.

http://www.kawpowr.com/4cycle/vertical.asp

Nosmo
06-27-2006, 07:24 PM
To clarify which engine is on the 50" residential ZTR we need a volunteer to look at the mower and get the engine number.

Nosmo

TLS
06-27-2006, 08:20 PM
If you go to CubCadet's website, you can clearly see a 22hp Kawi engine. The picture isn't clear enough to catch the model # though.

My guess....It's a 23hp running at 3450 rpm or something. Maybe a quieter more restrictive muffler?

Rickco
06-27-2006, 08:35 PM
I went to TSC today to check and this one (Pittsfield Ma.) has a Kaw. 23hp

Nosmo
06-27-2006, 09:16 PM
There you go a 23 HP Kawasaki in it --- probably with the
RPM's turned down to give: a 22 HP as rated by the manufacturer.

Now my 54" tank has a 23 HP Kawasaki the FH 680V.
Look at the chart from Kawasaki it shows the FH 680V developing 22 HP at 3200 RPM.

http://www.kawpowr.com/4cycle/vertical.asp

Nosmo

6'7 330
06-27-2006, 09:37 PM
It one time Kawasaki put out a Liquid cooled 22 HP. We had some on the problem plagued 1998 Scag turf tiger, as well some with the infamous 25 Kohler command with the head gasket plague.

mike lane lawn care
06-27-2006, 11:02 PM
maybee it's a kawasaki look alike, like the honda engines that aren't really honda's

6'7 330
06-28-2006, 12:22 AM
maybee it's a kawasaki look alike, like the honda engines that aren't really honda's

Those Honda engines are knock offs, licensed to be produced in commie socialist China.

Tim Wright
06-28-2006, 10:14 AM
My Ferris 52inch, 1500IS has a 25Kaw.

Tim

Tim Wright
06-28-2006, 10:16 AM
Bill,

I LOVE those military photos in your signature line. Your wife is a looker too!

But I appreciate the military photos, etc.

Tim

COLLINSVILLE
06-28-2006, 01:39 PM
than a more expensive Ferris ZTR??? My cub resi has a 22 hp kawi and the Ferris has a 19 hp kawi. Hmmmmmmmmmmm.
Well there you have it. It must be a better mower.

chuck bow
06-28-2006, 08:15 PM
MY son has a new john deere rider 345 or something and it has a 22 horse kawi in it iam sure cause i looked at it sunday

traman
06-28-2006, 08:28 PM
http://www.kawpowr.com/4cycle/horiz_fh741dkai.asp 22.5 hp

TLS
06-28-2006, 09:48 PM
http://www.kawpowr.com/4cycle/horiz_fh741dkai.asp 22.5 hp

I can guarantee that this is NOT the engine in question.

TLS
06-28-2006, 10:32 PM
MY son has a new john deere rider 345 or something and it has a 22 horse kawi in it iam sure cause i looked at it sunday

The 345's I remember used a 18-20hp Liquid Cooled Kawi. I wouldn't call a 345 new though, they were a mid '90's-2000 model.

Nosmo
06-29-2006, 10:49 AM
This is not the engine which we have been discussing. This one is a horizontal shaft engine.

Right off hand I cannot tell you of any ZTR machine which would use a horizontal shaft engine. The last mower I had with a horizontal shaft was back in the 1950's. It was a Briggs and Stratton mounted on a reel type power mower.

Nosmo

TLS
06-29-2006, 10:54 AM
Right off hand I cannot tell you of any ZTR machine which would use a horizontal shaft engine. The last mower I had with a horizontal shaft was back in the 1950's. It was a Briggs and Stratton mounted on a reel type power mower.


Have you been in a hole for 56 years?

I'd say it's about 50/50

SCAG, Exmark, Toro, Walker, Gravely, John Deere, and many others use horizontal shaft engines on their ZTR's

Hustler, Dixie Chopper and a few other brands above use vertical on their ZTR.

MarcSmith
06-29-2006, 12:08 PM
than a more expensive Ferris ZTR??? My cub resi has a 22 hp kawi and the Ferris has a 19 hp kawi. Hmmmmmmmmmmm.

so when your residental cub starts falling apart, the engine will still have some value to it...:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Liquidfast
06-30-2006, 01:10 AM
so when your residental cub starts falling apart, the engine will still have some value to it...:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Yeah, the mechanic said the engine WOULD outlast everything else that machine has to offer. He was also impressed with that particular engine in a resi unit.

Thing is, they dont sell the resi cub cadet 50 inch with the 22hp kawi in Ontario, Canada. Atleast thats what I have been told. I have checked everywhere for one but couldnt find it. The engine is definetly a 22hp kawi and when compared with the ferris, ABSOLUTELY the same engine.

DJL50
06-30-2006, 02:02 AM
I use to deal with (mower MFG) a few years back when I purchased lawn mowers for the store I worked at. The rep would laugh how they would stick large HP engines on a light weight mower because the HP was all the customer would look at. Bigger is better right? The rep said they had small riders they tested with only 5hp engines on it that worked fine (they are right I own one) but who would ever buy one? People on here was telling me that a 19hp Kaw was underpowered for the 52" Toro ZTR I was looking at. That thing has so much power I forget to turn the throttle up most of the time. It is all what you are use to.

chuck bow
06-30-2006, 05:45 AM
well what ever it is its a new 300 something or other with a 22 horse in it

Nosmo
06-30-2006, 04:18 PM
Have you been in a hole for 56 years?

I'd say it's about 50/50

SCAG, Exmark, Toro, Walker, Gravely, John Deere, and many others use horizontal shaft engines on their ZTR's

Hustler, Dixie Chopper and a few other brands above use vertical on their ZTR.

Never seen any of them brands you wrote down . Only ones in this neck of the wood I ever seen was Cub Cadet and Dixon. I heerd of John Deere and seen one one time
it was one of them big green ones with tires as tall as my
big brother and it had a yeller seat on it but it didn't cut grass it made little ditches in the field.

Nosmo

PS: I did hear about a Scag one time. Almost forgot. She was the ugliest girl this side of Mud Holler - so they said.