Ratting out a competitor...

[bcg]

I decided to take matters into my own hands yesterday. I run a somewhat unique operation in my area for which I really don't have much competition in the niche I target. There are a couple of companies that I would consider direct competition but that's really it. One I know a lot about but the other has really just showed up this year. We've been getting a lot of advertising from him this year so I had someone call and find out about him. In the conversation we discovered that they aren't collecting sales tax, are applying chemical without a license and they're using illegal labor. So today I've reported them to the state tax collector, the state department of agriculture and we're filling out the form to report them to the IRS. Maybe it's mean but I figure if I've got to play by the rules, they should as well. We'll see what happens!

[hoskm01]

I decided to take matters into my own hands yesterday. I run a somewhat unique operation in my area for which I really don't have much competition in the niche I target. There are a couple of companies that I would consider direct competition but that's really it. One I know a lot about but the other has really just showed up this year. We've been getting a lot of advertising from him this year so I had someone call and find out about him. In the conversation we discovered that they aren't collecting sales tax, are applying chemical without a license and they're using illegal labor. So today I've reported them to the state tax collector, the state department of agriculture and we're filling out the form to report them to the IRS. Maybe it's mean but I figure if I've got to play by the rules, they should as well. We'll see what happens!


How much service could you provide or sell while youre busy playing six-year-old to uncle sam?

[bcg]

Don't worry, my crews are still out working while I sit in the office and play 6 year old. Oh, and the phones are still ringing... :)

[DRM Ventures]

Good job...... why not let all the law breakers just keep on breaking......

Keep it up....

[hoskm01]

Don't worry, my crews are still out working while I sit in the office and play 6 year old. Oh, and the phones are still ringing... :)


I certainly wasn't worried. I agree that all should abide by the laws and rules, but good lord, seems like a lot of time and effort to phuck someone else.

[bcg]

Not really, 1 letter, 1 email and and IRS form is all. Took all of about an hour total, including figuring out who to call. I think it was time well spent.

Frankly, if he was just breaking one rule or was a solo just trying to make ends meet I wouldn't worry myself with it but he's not. When it's a bigger company and they're stupid enough to admit this stuff on the phone, they really deserve to be reported.

[dvmcmrhp52]

I decided to take matters into my own hands yesterday. I run a somewhat unique operation in my area for which I really don't have much competition in the niche I target. There are a couple of companies that I would consider direct competition but that's really it. One I know a lot about but the other has really just showed up this year. We've been getting a lot of advertising from him this year so I had someone call and find out about him. In the conversation we discovered that they aren't collecting sales tax, are applying chemical without a license and they're using illegal labor. So today I've reported them to the state tax collector, the state department of agriculture and we're filling out the form to report them to the IRS. Maybe it's mean but I figure if I've got to play by the rules, they should as well. We'll see what happens!



I guess we're all to believe that the investigative reporter who made this call was talking to a complete moron on the other end of the phone?

You're just plain guessing here and calling it truth for your own purposes.

[topsites]

I've thought about doing this to the point I collected Co. names and phone numbers, but I never turned anything in...
Just knowing I had the power to do it was enough for me...

Because I kept thinking what kind of example does this set, and what if I do something wrong one day?
Better yet, what if one of them finds out whodunit?

No, it's not ok that they break the law, but nobody is perfect, not even me LOL.

That's just me, it's all good, you might be thinning out the herd and I'm not totally against it either.

[Sandgropher]

I think on one day of the year everybody should do what this guy has done if they are concerns about LCO,S in your area. :usflag:

The govt can check them out and if they are legit no problems. :)

People complain about about illegal operations all the time but what can you do about it...see above.....if you dont you are part of the problem and are making it easier for them......:rolleyes:

So dont blame others when you lose your business,:cry: putting them in to the govt is legal what they are doing is illegal.

If every body does it, it will be a heatlher and stronger industry. :usflag:

Whats an hour of your time??? :usflag:

[JJLandscapes]

snitches are the lowest form of scum on the earth... if your phone keeps ringing and you have a certain "niche" what good did you accomplish..

he going to become legit and pay everything and still be in business is what u gotta understand.. if its a real business that is feeding his family he isnt going to just stop and work at walmart and you will get more business. If anything once he is legal he will be taking more customers away from you

sounds like your business isnt doing to well because around here and im sure everywhere else the real money making LCOs dont care about any illegals and dont even acknowledge they exist

[bcg]

I guess we're all to believe that the investigative reporter who made this call was talking to a complete moron on the other end of the phone?

You're just plain guessing here and calling it truth for your own purposes.

No guessing. The answers are easy enough to find out. For example -

Question - This price on the flier, does that include sales tax or is that added to it? Answer - Oh, we don't charge sales tax, it's just $xx.

Q - Can you tell me about your fertilization program? A - We apply a weed & feed. Q - Do you need a license to put down the weed killer? A - No, we don't need a license for that.

Q - How should I pay? A - Just leave a check under the mat. Q - Who do I make it out to? A - Just leave it blank, we'll fill it in.

See, it's easy to ask questions that don't raise too much suspicion. I get these kinds of questions from customers all the time. My answers are different and they aren't just the competition calling to check me out because I sign these people up. Asked correctly, I could find this stuff out about any one of you as well.

[lawnman_scott]

Good for you. These crybabies will ***** all day about the "scrub" or "lowballer" who "stole" their account, but wont do a thing to stop them. I just want a level playing field, you have to protect what you are trying to build.

[bcg]

snitches are the lowest form of scum on the earth... if your phone keeps ringing and you have a certain "niche" what good did you accomplish..

he going to become legit and pay everything and still be in business is what u gotta understand.. if its a real business that is feeding his family he isnt going to just stop and work at walmart and you will get more business. If anything once he is legal he will be taking more customers away from you

sounds like your business isnt doing to well because around here and im sure everywhere else the real money making LCOs dont care about any illegals and dont even acknowledge they exist

Funny how everyone bitches about these people but then they turn around and say it's wrong to turn them in. I guess if I witness a theft or something I should just mind my own business there also, right? After all, that guy's probably just trying to support his family.

If he gets legal and keeps on going, more power to him. I'm not really all that worried about him taking away my work, I've got plenty of it. My crews stay busy enough and I'm not out sweating behind a mower. It's more about the principal of it. I did it legally. I never operated without collecting tax, I never used illegals and I never applied anything I needed a license to put down. I've always withheld employment taxes and paid unemployment tax. There's no reason someone else should get a pass on all of this. Like I said before, if it was just a solo guy trying to feed his family or he was just breaking one of the rules I wouldn't care enough to make the effort but that isn't what's happening here.

[dvmcmrhp52]

Funny thing is that most folks that claim to "collect" sales tax never really pay it all to the taxing authority involved.
That's reality.
Whether it's a line item on an invoice or not really doesn't prove whether or not it's being paid.

Get a better accountant.

[JJLandscapes]

Funny how everyone bitches about these people but then they turn around and say it's wrong to turn them in. I guess if I witness a theft or something I should just mind my own business there also, right? After all, that guy's probably just trying to support his family.

If he gets legal and keeps on going, more power to him. I'm not really all that worried about him taking away my work, I've got plenty of it. My crews stay busy enough and I'm not out sweating behind a mower. It's more about the principal of it. I did it legally. I never operated without collecting tax, I never used illegals and I never applied anything I needed a license to put down. I've always withheld employment taxes and paid unemployment tax. There's no reason someone else should get a pass on all of this. Like I said before, if it was just a solo guy trying to feed his family or he was just breaking one of the rules I wouldn't care enough to make the effort but that isn't what's happening here.

u where probably the hall monitor in school or the one everyone threw food at in the cafeteria... or the one who got jockstraps put on his face in the locker room

if i saw someone stealing something from a random person i wouldnt say a damn thing... not my business if they steal from me they get shot... theft im talking about not murder or rape etc


get snitched on once in your life by someone who should have gone to jail like a man instead of ratting out 5 of his "friends" to save his ass and you will probbaly understand where im coming from....

people are raised in completely diff ways i guess we gotta all realize

[lawnman_scott]

u where probably the hall monitor in school or the one everyone threw food at in the cafeteria... or the one who got jockstraps put on his face in the locker room

if i saw someone stealing something from a random person i wouldnt say a damn thing... not my business if they steal from me they get shot... theft im talking about not murder or rape etc


get snitched on once in your life by someone who should have gone to jail like a man instead of ratting out 5 of his "friends" to save his ass and you will probbaly understand where im coming from....

people are raised in completely diff ways i guess we gotta all realizeAre you saying you were dumb enough to get into selling drugs, and now dont like a "snnich"? Rules are rules, if we follow them then everyone should. If they dont how do we compete with that?

[HOOLIE]

I'm just curious why, if you're doing so well, you felt the need to basically set this guy up with your line of questioning??? It's one thing to discover someone's circumventing the laws, but quite another to just pick up the phone and dig stuff up. Not saying you're right or wrong, just questioning why you would feel the need to do that...

[dKoester]

If you manage your company properly and do high end work that puts theirs to shame you shouldn't have to worry.

[Sandgropher]

snitches are the lowest form of scum on the earth... if your phone keeps ringing and you have a certain "niche" what good did you accomplish..

he going to become legit and pay everything and still be in business is what u gotta understand.. if its a real business that is feeding his family he isnt going to just stop and work at walmart and you will get more business. If anything once he is legal he will be taking more customers away from you

sounds like your business isn't doing to well because around here and im sure everywhere else the real money making LCOs don't care about any illegals and don't even acknowledge they exist


Not sure if the last paragraph is directed at me or the guy that started the thread......any way i don't have a problem with illegals here, but from what i have read a lot do over there, if you have a problem do some thing about it i have read on here good businesses on here going broke from these type of operations, its a low cost business to get into illegally some may decide its better to go back to Walmart, instead of going legit......any way i guess we will have to see what the outcome is in this case i guess........

A proper business will have nothing to fear from govt checks and will more than likely welcome them checking every body.

[bcg]

if i saw someone stealing something from a random person i wouldnt say a damn thing...

Well, that pretty much sums it up then. You and I are not at all alike and I would imagine (hope actually) that there are more people like me in the world than there are like you. That's a pretty disgusting attitude to have.

[bcg]

I'm just curious why, if you're doing so well, you felt the need to basically set this guy up with your line of questioning??? It's one thing to discover someone's circumventing the laws, but quite another to just pick up the phone and dig stuff up. Not saying you're right or wrong, just questioning why you would feel the need to do that...

Everyone should know their competition. The questions were designed more to find out about their services and how they operated. They were foolish enough to admit some things they shouldn't and the follow up questions confirmed what they said. I was really more interested in how large they were, how they handled their billing, exactly what their pricing was (thus the sales tax question since $xx + tax is a different price than $xx), etc. The opportunity to find out more presented itself and was taken but what we found out wasn't what we were originally after.

[hoskm01]

if i saw someone stealing something from a random person i wouldnt say a damn thing... not my business if they steal from me they get shot...


So lets all put our blinders on and only look out for ourselves. Great attitude. If you do actually carry a weapon (if youre not a convicted felon) so these punks can "get shot", why not man up and look out for those who aren't as cool as you... If you see a crime in progress, make that call, you can remain anonymous.


get snitched on once in your life by someone who should have gone to jail like a man instead of ratting out 5 of his "friends" to save his ass and you will probbaly understand where im coming from....

Now it all makes sense. You got caught cause someone told the truth and now the world owes you... Sad state of affairs

[bcg]

Why would admin edit my title? I would hardly call someone that is breaking every law there is a competitor. If you have to change it why not say "ratting out an illegal operation" or something similar? Is the term scrub really so offensive when it's about someone that is breaking all the rules?

You'd think that at the very least admin would note somewhere in there that he edited the title.

Ridiculous.

[Team-Green L&L]

I love guys like you and I. Rat em out! If someone impersonates a lawyer, it will send him to jail because we know that a lawyers advise is regulated. So are chemicals and taxes! If everyone sprays chemicals without the knowledge on how to do so we would have a world of dead plants and pissed off nieghbors. Not to mention a bad industry rep. Keep up the good work!

[motoguy]

A proper business will have nothing to fear from govt checks and will more than likely welcome them checking every body.
Nothing would make me happier than for every applicator in my county, and all the surrounding counties, to get "hit" with a visit from a state inspector...every week.

Being a legit, by the book, licensed, insured, tax-collecting, rule-abiding operation...I'd be fine with it. No skin off my teeth, so to speak. And frankly...when you've got nothing to hide, a visit from the State Inspector can be pleasant, informative, and even profitable (depending on your relationship with said Inspector, and what they're willing to tell you about who's "not going to be getting serviced any longer"). ;) And the busted / removed competition would make things easier for me...

"Well, I had a guy doing it for $25, but it seems he's in jail now. Didn't have the right permit or something."

I'm with the OP. If they're not following the rules, it's up to you to level the playing field. Not that it's an everyday item on my agenda, but if someone twirks me just the right way...you bet I'd spend an hour to "help them help themselves" (ie, make sure they're following the rules).

More power to you.

[laidback2309]

If you have taken the time, effort and most importantly capital to run a legit operation, it's possible someone who has cut these things out can offer a competitive or better price. Since he hasnt done these things in an effort to essentially undercut competitors, read: you, why not try to bury the guy?
Unless of course he's really new, where he's probably trying to get his permits and not turn down business at the same time so take it easy on him, we were all new at one point but if he continues w/o them do what you have to do.

As far as JJ goes, and i dont know if hes serious about what he said or if he was just kidding, but he makes a semi-valid point. There are places in this world where if you do decide to rat you had better make sure that no one finds out. I'm not sure if its that way in tx but then again if it's your survival or his i guess you have to assume that risk.

[hackitdown]

Unless of course he's really new, where he's probably trying to get his permits and not turn down business at the same time so take it easy on him, we were all new at one point but if he continues w/o them do what you have to do.


I agree that there is some gray areas here. I am fully legit, but in the beginning, I just placed an ad and went to work...I didn't know any better. Now I have a license, insurance, bank accounts, and whatever, but to start, I just went for it. I had no $$ to get started, I pulled myself up from the bootstraps.

I got the license when I tried to open a business checking account. I got the business checking account in order to deposit the checks. I got the checks because customers wanted to be invoiced. I got insurance because I needed it to win business.

I'm willing to bet that many others backed into "legitimacy" the same way.

[d&rlawncare]

No guessing. The answers are easy enough to find out. For example -

Question - This price on the flier, does that include sales tax or is that added to it? Answer - Oh, we don't charge sales tax, it's just $xx.

Q - Can you tell me about your fertilization program? A - We apply a weed & feed. Q - Do you need a license to put down the weed killer? A - No, we don't need a license for that.

Q - How should I pay? A - Just leave a check under the mat. Q - Who do I make it out to? A - Just leave it blank, we'll fill it in.

See, it's easy to ask questions that don't raise too much suspicion. I get these kinds of questions from customers all the time. My answers are different and they aren't just the competition calling to check me out because I sign these people up. Asked correctly, I could find this stuff out about any one of you as well.


Alls he did was call and ask questions that he already knew the answer to. We do it all the time working in law enforcement. Its the best way to get a real honest answer from someone. They think you dont know so they will tell you the truth, or what they think is the truth.

Turn in big companies...yes

Turn in the solo guy/gal...no talk to them and let them know what they are doing is illegal. Give them time to fix it. If they dont let them know you will turn them in. 10 min of your time from a pay phone. They will not know who you are.

[Marek]

I'm not sure about calling the other contractor but turning him in , go for it ! What you arent considering is the odds of anyone doing anything about it. The department of Agg. might but as for the IRS good luck they are several years behind right now. In our area I see more and more Latino owned companies every day, I bet 1 in 5 are somewhat legal. Its tough to make money in this industry as it is but when you have a company that has no insurance or workmans comp. runs hot equipment , yea there prices are going to be lower and alot of customers dont take these thing into account. If it makes you feel better about things than go for it. Maybe if we all turned in the illeagals we would all be better off.

[GreenN'Clean]

Hey the way I look at it is we have to be legal and follow the rules then so should every other company as well. Why should they get away with doing things illegal and give better rates cause they can afford it because they don't pay the over head as legit companies. Insurance,Workman's comp etc isn't cheap and for that legit companies have to charge more to cover the cost of those things that the Gov says we must carry to be in Business. So I think what your doing is a good thing we all need to put a stop to the companies that hire illegals and do things that break the law while us legit companies have to pay for it.... Its a sad thing when we have Illegals protesting in our streets about there rights,,, Well the way I look at it is if your NOT a legal citizen of the Untied States then you have NO rights,,,,, If people put a stop to the Businesses that hire illegals then the illegals won't come here because no money then no reason to be here.....

[Smitty58]

Sounds like you are so insecure about your own work that you have to attack your "competition". I know it's frustrating that some don't play by the rules but these tactics (imo) suck. Do you really think your customers care if you play by the rules? They don't. They just want a quality job at a fair price. My advice (doubt if you care) market your business by saying what you can for your customers not that you are "legal"

[xpnd]

Karma is a funny thing. After 15 years in business, I don't piss around like that anymore. I have better things to do in my life. I try to abide by every fricking rule I know about. I know with certainity that there are some rules and laws I break simply because of my own ignorance. People in glass houses shouldn't be throwing stones. There are rules and laws that you are breaking without even knowing about it. If the mega corporations get in trouble with their army of lawyers and accountants I am sure everyone one of us could get in an equal amount of trouble and ignorance of a law is not a defendable excuse.

More than likely you will not be successful. More than likely you will only cause this jerk a lot of pain. More than likely you have just painted a bullseye on your company. Even if you are successfull and drive this guy out of business, he will have a lot of time to mess with you now. More time than you have and now he has a motive. Anyone can be sued. They may not be able to be sued successfully but they can be sued. I wish you all the luck in the world and hope you around here next year. Karma can be a B@#$%!

[MILSINC]

I completely agree with the original post. Good for you to keep it level. Last year, I got a call from the dept of ag rep for my area, saying one of my competitors was trying to tell him that i was unlicensed for pesticides ( I am and was, and the rep just wanted to let me know. It completely pissed me off. the guy that 'ratted me out' wasn't licensed himself!! I have declared war. because business is war. i am not in this to make friends. I am in this to make money. again, good for you.

[unit28]

How hard is it to do the right thing?

There are many of us that will not.

I can't go on enough about taxes.
But, here it is in a nutshell. They get paid once,
either by the contractor buying products or the client
paying the contractor and then they turn it in.
Simple.
Labor is not taxed.

The real issue here though is to do the right thing.
It is not our job to police other companies, but it is highly recomended to turn in violators. If the violaters are ruining my business because of their damage to a consumers property and even their health. That will certainly reflect on all applicators.
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If you’re doing the application yourself:

Read and carefully follow all label requirements;
Avoid applications on windy days, when the product is more likely to drift onto unintended plants; and
Clean up spilled product anytime it falls on a hard surface like a sidewalk or driveway. Left alone, even these spills can end up washing into nearby creeks or lakes, or be tracked into homes.

To report an unlicensed person making a pesticide or fertilizer application, please call ....



It has nothing to do with policing them. The authorities will do that.

And by Jimmny, what does not having a license make it ok because they can't afford it, and they can get one later?:laugh:

[johnnywill08]

where i live that'll get you your tires slashed, your gas tank filled with sand or just get you shot.

you coulda just confronted him, gave him a chance to get his $hit together before diming him out. they way you went about it was pretty sackless.

[lawnguyland]

GOOOOOOOOD!!!!! Turn em all in . F them.

Pisses me off when uneducated unlicensed dirtbags spread pesticides and pollute my environment and water. F them F them F them. Scumbags. Burn them all!:realmad:

Tax evaders. F em.

Illegal employers. F them too.

F em all!

F stands for fudge.

[lawnguyland]

where i live that'll get you your tires slashed, your gas tank filled with sand or just get you shot.

you coulda just confronted him, gave him a chance to get his $hit together before diming him out. they way you went about it was pretty sackless.

No, cheating us out of time and money while poisoning our world is sackless. I like that though, sackless (ha ha !). Not having the balls to stand up for what's right is sackless.

[Duekster]

Karma is a funny thing. After 15 years in business, I don't piss around like that anymore. I have better things to do in my life. I try to abide by every fricking rule I know about. I know with certainity that there are some rules and laws I break simply because of my own ignorance. People in glass houses shouldn't be throwing stones. There are rules and laws that you are breaking without even knowing about it. If the mega corporations get in trouble with their army of lawyers and accountants I am sure everyone one of us could get in an equal amount of trouble and ignorance of a law is not a defendable excuse.

More than likely you will not be successful. More than likely you will only cause this jerk a lot of pain. More than likely you have just painted a bullseye on your company. Even if you are successfull and drive this guy out of business, he will have a lot of time to mess with you now. More time than you have and now he has a motive. Anyone can be sued. They may not be able to be sued successfully but they can be sued. I wish you all the luck in the world and hope you around here next year. Karma can be a B@#$%!


I agree to an extent as well. I can not really see myself as being an informant. I would rather spend my time making sure I find ways to improve my operation and make sure all my I's are crossed and my T's are dotted. :dizzy:

I am not going to condemn someone for turning in someone either, but for everyone that goes down there are 5 more just like em. My job it adjust and compete.

None the less, it does seem the INS has picked up the pace a little bit this year. I can only hope the Government is serious about some sort of reform. I have opinions of how they should do it but what ever they do, I hope they do it soon.

[MarcSmith]

He called his competition....Smart to do....Just about every single retail outlet shops their competition in form or another.

Its called doing research, and its something that you should consider doing. I'm not saying that you call and get their rates and they drop or adjust your rates, but its a good thing to know what your competition is doing. Nice to know if they add another service that you don't do, or maybe they stop a service that you can capitalize on.

I had no problems when I was out bid or out serviced by a legitimate company. if you get out bid or out serviced by someone who is not legit, it stings. Because we all know that if you play by the rules its harder to do the job.

Its easy to not pay taxes, Its easy to not get insured, Its easy to not get your Pest Lic, its easy to not follow the rules.

Everyone should pay their share of taxes, fact of life. The ones who dodge taxes are probably the first ones to complain about lack of govt services.

Insurance must be important, as every commercial job I had required it. Glad I had WC on more than one occasion.

Getting a Pest Lic is not an easy thing to do, but its the right thing to do. Yes I know that millions of homeowners nuke their lawns every year with no care for the environment. be part of the solution, not the problem. Following the labels isn't enough. Having a paper a trail of amounts applied, locations, dates, ect. is so very important to get your ass out of sling so you don't get blamed for someone else's screw up.

I do agree, the the one man band solo would not be a threat to most of us, and many of us "backed" into being legal. But it sound like this is more than just a one man band and since being in the area for more than a year, that enough time to get legal.

You did good.

On my way to work this morning I called the police on a driver who was swerving allover the place. he may have been tired, he may have been drunk, who knows. The law can't have eyes every where.

[General Landscaping]

The sypathy and tolerance for unlicensed, tax evading, illegal hiring hacks is amazing.

Turn 'em all in

[govols]

I don't have a problem with a guy cutting a few yards for extra money, but when you do it as your job and don't pay the taxes and license fees like the legit companies then you should turn them in. For the people putting him down for doing this -- do not whine ever again about lowballers!!

[Duekster]

The sypathy and tolerance for unlicensed, tax evading, illegal hiring hacks is amazing.

Turn 'em all in

You know I don't like it but I could spend 100% of my time on this and not get any work done.

[motoguy]

You know I don't like it but I could spend 100% of my time on this and not get any work done.

And I think that's the difference between becoming the License Vigilante, and simply calling in on someone you find working illegally. We all run across them from time to time, at sites, getting gas, at lunch stops, etc.

It's not like it becomes a job of it's own...just a minute or so phone call when the situation arises...

[MarcSmith]

You know I don't like it but I could spend 100% of my time on this and not get any work done. But then you be an employee for the state....

The first time you call someone in, just like the first time you file court paperwork for a judgment or lien, or the first time you cut a property is the hardest time. after that its gets easy as you know the procedure.

[tinman]

I decided to take matters into my own hands yesterday. I run a somewhat unique operation in my area for which I really don't have much competition in the niche I target. There are a couple of companies that I would consider direct competition but that's really it. One I know a lot about but the other has really just showed up this year. We've been getting a lot of advertising from him this year so I had someone call and find out about him. In the conversation we discovered that they aren't collecting sales tax, are applying chemical without a license and they're using illegal labor. So today I've reported them to the state tax collector, the state department of agriculture and we're filling out the form to report them to the IRS. Maybe it's mean but I figure if I've got to play by the rules, they should as well. We'll see what happens!

I would be very careful in using the force of govt to get what you want. For everyone who complains about taxes and the way taxes are wasted by big govt, it is a low thing to report someone to an organization as despised as the IRS. I'm sure you have never fibbed on your taxes. I understand it is hard to compete on a non level playing field, but I think there is a better way than using the IRS on someone. I would have a hard time turning in my worst enemy to them.

Karma can be rough also.

[MarcSmith]

Karma can be rough also.

correct, you run an illegal operation, karma's catch up to you....

[mountianview]

What comes around goes around ,watch you ass people do strange things when people screw with them ,KARMA is some heavy stuff to play with,put another way live by the sword die by the sword good luck, youll need it.

[MarcSmith]

So if a Dr, Mechanic, or a food service company is doing something wrong, you gonna turn the other cheek and say "not my Problem".... I'll bet if you ate some food at a restaurant and got sick and found they were running with out a LIC or bad health inspections or the guy doing the brake work on your family wagon was reusing old parts. You'd be screaming bloody murder.

If some illegal unlicenced, uninsured landscape company underbid you or did some damage to your house or your truck while working on your neighbors house, You'd be screaming as well.

So before you fall of your high horse and hurt yourself, realize that local govt, is not going to police the problem Its up to us to police the problem. As we are the ones whoa re greatly affected by it.

Think if your children's school allows an illegal and uninsured landscaper to work, and the mower grabs a rock and slings it across the playground while he's cutting the field....you child is hit in the face and looses an Eye.

Yeah your right. no big deal. Karma will take care of it.

If you ignore the problem, then YOU are part of the problem...

[bcg]

Yep, that Karma is a real buggar. I've had my tires slashed at least a dozen times since I turned this guy in. Discount Tire won't sell me teh road hazard warranty anymore. Then just the other day, I was driving down the road and my engine exploded. The mechanic just called and said it looked like someone put sugar in the gas tank. All my customers are calling and complaining about "Your lawn guy is an @ss hole" being written in their front yards with RoundUp and my wife finally got fed up and left me to live with the owner of the illegal operation. I just hope that my bruised kidneys from getting my @ss kicked last month heal soon. They're really painful. Oh, and I hope my dog will forgive me one day. He hasn't spoken to me in 9 months.

:rolleyes:

[MarcSmith]

bcg :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

good one. but Mythbusters actually debunked the sugar in the gas tank. It must have been sweet-n-low...

[General Landscaping]

Mythbusters actually debunked the sugar in the gas tank. It must have been sweet-n-low...

I've debunked it at least 2 dozen times in 9 years of auto mechanic work.

[mountianview]

people don't use sugar anymore ,they take a pig neuter vaccine slit your seat and let you sit on the needle ouch big time ! hope he isn't reading these posts sorry for you if he is,somthing to think about as you jump into your truck tommorrow.

[Gene $immons]

I didn't bother reading past the first page of responses.

GOOD FOR YOU ON TURNING HIM IN.

You hear that JJLandscapes?

[markam70]

my only question here is why is everyone concerned about a company like this and so quick to turn them in but when some 12 or 13 year old kid posts about how much to charge or something, everyone is so supportive of them?

to me, there's no difference. both are operating illegally so i guess we should turn the neighborhood kids in too.

[twj721]

Are you sure that you are from Tx ? Some snitch reported me to our local tax aprassal board and had to list all my equipment on a TAXABLE PERSONAL PROPERTY LIST was madder than hel* told them that there was alot of people with equipment totaling over the $500.00 limit she replied that if I got their tag number and give it to them they would send them a notice also.
Told her that that was her job to get off her butt and do it herself and also said if they can get away with it then more power to them . I think that people need to keep there pinoco nose out of other peoples business heck I barely can keep my self inline with out worrying about what somebody else is doing ..

[Duekster]

Are you sure that you are from Tx ? Some snitch reported me to our local tax aprassal board and had to list all my equipment on a TAXABLE PERSONAL PROPERTY LIST was madder than hel* told them that there was alot of people with equipment totaling over the $500.00 limit she replied that if I got their tag number and give it to them they would send them a notice also.
Told her that that was her job to get off her butt and do it herself and also said if they can get away with it then more power to them . I think that people need to keep there pinoco nose out of other peoples business heck I barely can keep my self inline with out worrying about what somebody else is doing ..

How do you know it was a snitch? Dallas is pretty good at getting around to property tax on their own.

[MarcSmith]

my only question here is why is everyone concerned about a company like this and so quick to turn them in but when some 12 or 13 year old kid posts about how much to charge or something, everyone is so supportive of them?

to me, there's no difference. both are operating illegally so i guess we should turn the neighborhood kids in too.

A neighborhood kid with a work ethic is something to be nurtured not squashed.

FWIW IMO Most people start out illegally and then get legal within a short period of time. but if you have been in business for more than 6months you should be legal. You don't drive around in an unregistered car do you? I guess we've become a country of choosing which laws we want to follow.

The kid making 15 bucks a cut during the summer months is not your competition.

[bcg]

Are you sure that you are from Tx ? Some snitch reported me to our local tax aprassal board and had to list all my equipment on a TAXABLE PERSONAL PROPERTY LIST was madder than hel* told them that there was alot of people with equipment totaling over the $500.00 limit she replied that if I got their tag number and give it to them they would send them a notice also.
Told her that that was her job to get off her butt and do it herself and also said if they can get away with it then more power to them . I think that people need to keep there pinoco nose out of other peoples business heck I barely can keep my self inline with out worrying about what somebody else is doing ..

Wasn't me, I didn't even think to call the CAD about bpp. Besides that, my guy went out of business.

[bcg]

people don't use sugar anymore ,they take a pig neuter vaccine slit your seat and let you sit on the needle ouch big time ! hope he isn't reading these posts sorry for you if he is,somthing to think about as you jump into your truck tommorrow.

Man, thanks for warning me! I came within inches of sitting on one this morning in my truck. That sure would've hurt!