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THEGOLDPRO
07-10-2006, 12:13 AM
took a few new pics with the magnets i had made up, this was with my cellphone so its not awesome quality.

http://www.msprotege.com/members/THEGOLDPRO/0707061032.jpg
http://www.msprotege.com/members/THEGOLDPRO/0708060913.jpg
http://www.msprotege.com/members/THEGOLDPRO/0708060913a.jpg
http://www.msprotege.com/members/THEGOLDPRO/0708060914.jpg

Team-Green L&L
07-10-2006, 12:17 AM
Honestly, I don't like em. I hate the 1 and 2 color signs for these reasons:

Your sign is the closest reflection of your company aside from your work. If I'd never seen your work but needed a landscaper I would certainly call someone else. Fork out the few extra bucks for a full color print by next seaon and unless your a "landscaper" change your name to reflect your services.

Great job in taking the initiative though, we waited 4 years, working on word-of-mouth until we picked up the marketing and it's paid off immensely.

THEGOLDPRO
07-10-2006, 12:33 AM
i dont care much about the full color print, i think my magnets are just fine, its plain and simple, not all crowded. and i see nothing wrong with the name on it either.

Team-Green L&L
07-10-2006, 12:36 AM
Maybe I'm seeing something different, but I see a "landscaping" truck with a mower on it. Our signs are all vinyl.

PLS-Tx
07-10-2006, 12:38 AM
i dont care much about the full color print, i think my magnets are just fine, its plain and simple, not all crowded. and i see nothing wrong with the name on it either.

Looks great, I like plan and simple. I'm going to do somthing similar when I letter my trailer. The only thing I will do is leave off the area code and make the # larger.

THEGOLDPRO
07-10-2006, 12:41 AM
Maybe I'm seeing something different, but I see a "landscaping" truck with a mower on it. Our signs are all vinyl.so then whats the problem???? i dont like vinal, i like ot be able to take the magnets off whenever i need to, i dont like perminate.

THEGOLDPRO
07-10-2006, 12:42 AM
Looks great, I like plan and simple. I'm going to do somthing similar when I letter my trailer. The only thing I will do is leave off the area code and make the # larger.
thanks man, good idea with the larger number.

Team-Green L&L
07-10-2006, 12:42 AM
Okay, maybe I'm the ******ed one, but why would a landscaper need a mower and string trimmers? If you do both, then I'd assume that you have another trailor/truck for your landscaping equipment. Possibly one to haul your Dingo/Bobcat?

THEGOLDPRO
07-10-2006, 12:45 AM
so your saying landscapers dont mow lawns?

Team-Green L&L
07-10-2006, 12:48 AM
As far as I knew, LCO's mow lawns and landscapers landscape. Kinda like barbers and hair stylists. Landscaper create landscapes and LCO's maintain them. This is why we are still mowing. We were tired of LCO's stealing landscape jobs for the quick profit. So, we started running a mowing team again out of spite.

THEGOLDPRO
07-10-2006, 12:55 AM
well we dont just maintain lawns, we do an array of other crap, hence landscaping PLUS, but im sure you knew that since you seem to know the in's and out's of my operation.

wski4fun
07-10-2006, 01:01 AM
When my mowing customers want a new bed created with plants in it or mulch and annuals planted, why should they go to another company. Many solo and single crew maintanance companies can and do install shrubs, bushes, lawns, walk ways, patios and many other things. I mow lawns two days a week and do whatever else to fill in the time.

Team-Green L&L
07-10-2006, 01:01 AM
What a quick turn to defense buddy. Slow down! If you do landscaping, then mowing is a waste of time unless you have a point to prove (hence, our mowing team). What I'm saying is that there are alot of LCO's that try to landscape without the right equipment or knowledge. Heck, we even mess stuff up (obviously) sometimes. The problem is that these guys can't fix their errors and, all too often, steal bids because they know nothing about market value. No credentials or proper insurance and worker's comp., ect. Am I describing you? If so, my point is valid...If not, then there's no reason to be defensive.

wski4fun
07-10-2006, 01:14 AM
Why is mowing a waste of time. For me, I like to mow and it breaks things up. All my work is in my town. That's how I like it. I also paint, build walls, fences, and decks. Two companies that gross right around 1mil a piece have 150-200 mowing accts and have one or two crews for the landscape aspect of it. They do it becuase it is smart business and they make a lot of money.

Team-Green L&L
07-10-2006, 01:20 AM
Why is mowing a waste of time. For me, I like to mow and it breaks things up. All my work is in my town. That's how I like it. I also paint, build walls, fences, and decks. Two companies that gross right around 1mil a piece have 150-200 mowing accts and have one or two crews for the landscape aspect of it. They do it becuase it is smart business and they make a lot of money.

In my area the mowing companies are not given much landscape work. The clients seem to want a specialist to create the work and a kid to maintain it. I tend to agree with that philosophy. I've seen too many bad plant placements, root rot, and color nightmares from LCO's trying to landscape.

wski4fun
07-10-2006, 01:38 AM
How about if I told you that I worked for a nursery starting at 14 and worked there for 5 years. Three of those years doing installs. Being a professional landscape co. says nothing about what you can do. I am very good at doing many things and that is why my customers higher me. By the way, I am 34 and never would have let a patio and walkway get finished like that. I know you are not leaving like that but they are your "professional" guys. If the companies don't get that much work then why would you have to start a mowing business to spite them? There are also many landscape co that do very bad work. And if you think a LCO is just some kid mowing a lawn then you are a horses a$$. I'm not saying you do think that but if you do. Maybe it's just in your area but not around here.

Team-Green L&L
07-10-2006, 02:12 AM
I don't think that. Sorry to come across that way. I know many reputable LCO's. I was merely stating that an LCO should advertise as such.

wski4fun
07-10-2006, 02:18 AM
"No credentials or proper insurance and worker's comp., ect. Am I describing you? If so, my point is valid..." Is your point still valid although you didn't pay them double time for working on Sunday? Or you would hire a sub with their severance? Maybe you are not valid for being in whatever position you are in if you do not know basic labor laws. It seems you don't have great management skills. And maybe not much skill with hardscaping. So now maybe you can't call yourself a landscaper or a company. Now maybe we can agree that a person with a lawn mower can do landscapes and a person that does landscapes don't always have the answers. And I do get defensive because my set up looks like the original poster's. I do not do lanscape on your scale because I do not want the stress and aggravation. I do not want to buy/maintain/insure/pay for a shop and all that other stuff.

Team-Green L&L
07-10-2006, 03:35 AM
Sometimes being offended is an eye-opener. My friend owns a tatoo parlor and has to compete against every 18 yr old with a tatoo gun and no overhead. This is true in every service industry. Without the overhead, the market fluccuates. It's not the idea that is wrong, it's the execution and how it effects those who do want the aggravation of an honest living.

THEGOLDPRO
07-10-2006, 09:03 AM
im not offended, im just alittle pissed that you keep bothering me about the wording on my signs when you know jack **** about what we do, why do you give a crap what my sign says am i stealing work from you???? no then dont worry bout it. i dont want this thread to turn into an LCO vs landscaper battle of who does what, and who should't do what and so on.

and mowing isnt a waist we also mow 2 days a week, and do other random crap the rest f the week, be it mulch beds, shrubs, patios, and so on.

kemmer
07-10-2006, 11:17 AM
No offense, but i like the signs that blend in to the truck, not something that you can tell is a magnet, mines an oval so it looks like it could be vinyl.

And team green, dont act like your a pro too, look at that walkway you did. And mowing is a good thing to have as a back up. it constant money coming in on a regular basis. Landscaping, if you hit a slow point in the season, you still have something to fall back on. Brickman for example does mainly maintenance, and look at them, there all over the country.

Team-Green L&L
07-10-2006, 11:30 AM
Obviously you just posted this pic for some sort os bragging rights? I thought you were looking for advise. Here's my advise: Stop lying to clients about your skills, stop defending yourself for being that liar, and go to school! It is not a battle between landscaper and LCO. You could never steal my work because our clients require alot of insurance. Our revenue is far beyond your scope at this point and keeps increasing. Sound advise is not always what you want to hear. I learned that as a child, one day you will also.

mcwlandscaping
07-10-2006, 11:44 AM
M.C.W. Landscaping- Landscaping and Lawn Mowing and Lawn Maintenance'
James Gates Landscaping- Landscaping and Lawn Mowing and Lawn Maintenance'
Morins Landscaping(biggest company in probably our entire state!) - Landscaping and Lawn Mowing and Lawn Maintenance'
Lynchs Landscaping (another huge company here)- Landscaping and Lawn Mowing and Lawn Maintenance

Landscaping is where the money is, lawn mowing is really only profitable if you charge out the a** for it or are mowing solo as a full time job. Having lawns to mow is good thing to have as it allows you to give your landscaping crew something to keep busy on if/when the landscaping jobs get dry. Just my opinion though. Most companies are "landscaping" companies per say but thats to stand out as that being their majority bulk of thier services and that's the kind of customer they want to market to

Team-Green L&L
07-10-2006, 11:48 AM
your point is duly noted in that; Groundmasters Inc. is our largest competitor and is mowing/install together. The issue is who does what. Groundmasters employs 170 men and women. Their credentials are vast and I'm sure the mowing guy is not the foreman at an install job.

THEGOLDPRO
07-10-2006, 07:47 PM
Obviously you just posted this pic for some sort os bragging rights? I thought you were looking for advise. Here's my advise: Stop lying to clients about your skills, stop defending yourself for being that liar, and go to school! It is not a battle between landscaper and LCO. You could never steal my work because our clients require alot of insurance. Our revenue is far beyond your scope at this point and keeps increasing. Sound advise is not always what you want to hear. I learned that as a child, one day you will also.
yeah you got me i was trying to brag, d0od stop acting like an arrogent prick, like you have some multi billion dollar business going, i have seen your work and it looks like total horse crap, when i want your advise ill ask for it, it means **** to me, i was simply posting soime new pics of my ****, and you for some reason have a problem with that, go change your rag, get off your high horse, and shut your little C O C K sucker up.

grassmanak
07-10-2006, 09:05 PM
yeah you got me i was trying to brag, d0od stop acting like an arrogent prick, like you have some multi billion dollar business going, i have seen your work and it looks like total horse crap, when i want your advise ill ask for it, it means **** to me, i was simply posting soime new pics of my ****, and you for some reason have a problem with that, go change your rag, get off your high horse, and shut your little C O C K sucker up.


Well said, funny that he talks big but doesnt even own the business, hes just an 8.00 an hour employee

Team-Green L&L
07-10-2006, 09:57 PM
yeah you got me i was trying to brag, d0od stop acting like an arrogent prick, like you have some multi billion dollar business going, i have seen your work and it looks like total horse crap, when i want your advise ill ask for it, it means **** to me, i was simply posting soime new pics of my ****, and you for some reason have a problem with that, go change your rag, get off your high horse, and shut your little C O C K sucker up.

My bad, nice truck and trailer. LOL. I don't have a muti-billion dollar company. As a matter of fact, it's probably no larger than yours. What's nice about being a smart business man is that I can look nice and produce good results and young guys like you who should be listening can be intimidated even though I am a small business. Big Dreams, not Big Equipment. I'm not trying to belittle you. Your signs are better than ours were not too long ago. I am simply sharing the marketing strategies that have worked for us and many more before us.

Team-Green L&L
07-10-2006, 10:00 PM
Well said, funny that he talks big but doesnt even own the business, hes just an 8.00 an hour employee

Who is this post directed to? I am a business owner. I pay me employees decent wages I think, but they do start around 8.00 an hour without experience. Is there something I'm missing?

I'm obviously wasting my time here. I had a few extra hours this week to bullcrap on the net and figured I'd respond to a few threads. This is becoming irritating though. Everytime I make a suggestion, I am attacked like I just started mowing lawns yesterday. I am merely the back-end operations man., but I'll get out there and get dirty any day I'm needed. No questions asked. Where did I become the badguy?

THEGOLDPRO
07-10-2006, 10:46 PM
problem is your not making suggestions your acting like an A S S hole, why dont you post some pics of your equipment, and lets see what your ungodly successful business is up to. lets see what empire your uncle built, and you took over.

you dont impress me one bit with your smug remarks, we all know your company is no bigger then mine, yes maybe you have nicer signs, but that doesn't dictate the quality of work you do. i could have had any sign i wanted made up, but i like simple, and to the point, people see us and say oh s h i t look a landscaper, not OH MY GOD HIS SIGNS ARE SO PLAIN, LETS NOT HIRE HIM, pull your head out of your ass.

unless you have any non fagget remarks to make then take a hike, its obviously a losing battle with you, besides why would a marketing genious like yourself want to talk to us common folk????

J&R Landscaping
07-10-2006, 11:05 PM
Signs look good, but I agree, the background color should blend in. It just looks better IMO but your look great the way they are!

Just need to end the fighting and get on with making money and having fun...

M RASCOE&SONS
07-10-2006, 11:23 PM
What a quick turn to defense buddy. Slow down! If you do landscaping, then mowing is a waste of time unless you have a point to prove (hence, our mowing team). What I'm saying is that there are alot of LCO's that try to landscape without the right equipment or knowledge. Heck, we even mess stuff up (obviously) sometimes. The problem is that these guys can't fix their errors and, all too often, steal bids because they know nothing about market value. No credentials or proper insurance and worker's comp., ect. Am I describing you? If so, my point is valid...If not, then there's no reason to be defensive.were you the guy with that great looking hardscape pictures and the cheap prices ??

M RASCOE&SONS
07-10-2006, 11:27 PM
My bad, nice truck and trailer. LOL. I don't have a muti-billion dollar company. As a matter of fact, it's probably no larger than yours. What's nice about being a smart business man is that I can look nice and produce good results and young guys like you who should be listening can be intimidated even though I am a small business. Big Dreams, not Big Equipment. I'm not trying to belittle you. Your signs are better than ours were not too long ago. I am simply sharing the marketing strategies that have worked for us and many more before us.we all want to see more of your walkway pictures they look great,i loved the straight angles in front of the house lmao:)

M RASCOE&SONS
07-10-2006, 11:29 PM
In my area the mowing companies are not given much landscape work. The clients seem to want a specialist to create the work and a kid to maintain it. I tend to agree with that philosophy. I've seen too many bad plant placements, root rot, and color nightmares from LCO's trying to landscape.what do you call the creation you posted pictures of from the other day lmao

Team-Green L&L
07-10-2006, 11:38 PM
I call it a mistake that got fixed. You guy's are so umprofessional that I've made this my daily entertainment. Me and my workers jump on here everyday to see what kind of ignoranous we can find. The sad part is that ya'll never cease to entertain us. What's funny is that our project budgets are more than your monthly income and you can't get that through your head. We started in the same manner that you are, with no money (just a mower). The only difference is that we chose to listen to the guys that were progressing...duh. I'm in this biz for the money, I don't know about you. Maybe you like to sweat all day? I saw that you, Rascoe, are an older guy and that really disturbs me. A bad job is inevitable. If you fix it and make the client so happy that they sign a new contract for more landscaping, how can you be so bad. 2 guys messed up. Oh my God, maybe we should shut down and sell our equipment huh? Idiot!

M RASCOE&SONS
07-10-2006, 11:40 PM
I call it a mistake that got fixed. You guy's are so umprofessional that I've made this my daily entertainment. Me and my workers jump on here everyday to see what kind of ignoranous we can find. The sad part is that ya'll never cease to entertain us. What's funny is that our project budgets are more than your monthly income and you can't get that through your head. I'm in this biz for the money, I don't know about you. Maybe you like to sweat all day?you couldnt pay my fuel bill for the month doing work like that.

Team-Green L&L
07-10-2006, 11:53 PM
you couldnt pay my fuel bill for the month doing work like that.

Rascoe, I hate debating with the competition, but here's the sad part. You've been in business twice as long as us and have a geocities website and a lovely one at that. Nice truck. Good landscapers are on 4 pages of the phonebook and until you hire a guy like me that's all you'll ever be...another name in the phonebook. Have fun growing at 2% a year barely paying your overhead.

Howie's Lawn Care
07-10-2006, 11:55 PM
problem is your not making suggestions your acting like an A S S hole, why dont you post some pics of your equipment, and lets see what your ungodly successful business is up to. lets see what empire your uncle built, and you took over.

you dont impress me one bit with your smug remarks, we all know your company is no bigger then mine, yes maybe you have nicer signs, but that doesn't dictate the quality of work you do. i could have had any sign i wanted made up, but i like simple, and to the point, people see us and say oh s h i t look a landscaper, not OH MY GOD HIS SIGNS ARE SO PLAIN, LETS NOT HIRE HIM, pull your head out of your ass.

unless you have any non fagget remarks to make then take a hike, its obviously a losing battle with you, besides why would a marketing genious like yourself want to talk to us common folk????
Since you can have any sign you want, why don't you get a sign similar to that of Home Depot and mount it to the top of your truck. You can make it light up and turn off at different time intervals. It's just an idea since you said you could have any sign you want.

kemmer
07-11-2006, 12:04 AM
This is what i was referring to before, how it looks like it could be a vinyl but isn't...


Team-Green L&L, your coming off as being bipolar to me, you go from bashing to being nice....weird

Team-Green L&L
07-11-2006, 12:05 AM
Since you can have any sign you want, why don't you get a sign similar to that of Home Depot and mount it to the top of your truck. You can make it light up and turn off at different time intervals. It's just an idea since you said you could have any sign you want.

Howie, this guy is unreachable. It's hardly worth the effort. I'll say it like this and leave it alone. My business is not an empire or anything close. All I did was increase the values within the industry, thus creating a better image all together and have drawn a much better clientele from doing so. Your signs aren't bad and I never said they were. What I said was that people respond to quality in a different manner. Whether it be a sign or the freakin cotton that Polo uses. Quality always counts. It holds a subtle impression on the reader that you are willing to spend a little more to present a better image. Nothing more. All the insults and stuff was so unnecessary and doesn't leave a good taste in anyones mouth. You are NOT the common folk. The common folk work for someone else and make THEM money. The uncommon take a leap of faith. If you are always looking for a way to attack the next man, how will you ever become a good businessman? I am far from a genius, but I work my butt off 60+ hrs. a week to see the results I'm trying to reach.

M RASCOE&SONS
07-11-2006, 12:07 AM
Rascoe, I hate debating with the competition, but here's the sad part. You've been in business twice as long as us and have a geocities website and a lovely one at that. Nice truck. Good landscapers are on 4 pages of the phonebook and until you hire a guy like me that's all you'll ever be...another name in the phonebook. Have fun growing at 2% a year barely paying your overhead.when you say us ,what you were trying to say was your uncle has mowed some lawns and did some awesome looking walkways that you posted pictures of lmao and your budgets and teams etc etc and in your free time you like to pick apart guys on here with your 2 dollar talk well i dont brag but we do just fine in the money dept,we have all the nice equipment and computers and we also can mow and if you want some help with your hardscapes just give me a shout ..*newusflag*

Team-Green L&L
07-11-2006, 12:08 AM
This is what i was referring to before, how it looks like it could be a vinyl but isn't...


Team-Green L&L, your coming off as being bipolar to me, you go from bashing to being nice....weird

Your signs look excellent. What kind of print is it? I guess I do come off as an ass sometimes, but I really don't mean to be that way. I like alot of these guys, but some of them won't give a man a chance to give an opinion that could help or could not. Either way, it's only an opinion.

Dirty Water
07-11-2006, 12:14 AM
Team-Green:

A website does not make a good company.

Neither does fancy signs. Skill, and knowledge make a good company.

Judging by your management skills (Guys working sunday), your install skills (nice hardscape) and your attitude, your lacking in the skills and knowledge department.

But you can add as much flair and filler as you want to try to compensate, including cookie cutter websites filled with B.S.

kemmer
07-11-2006, 12:14 AM
What do you mean what print is it? you mean what font?

Team-Green L&L
07-11-2006, 12:16 AM
What do you mean what print is it? you mean what font?

Was it a full color digital print? You said it's not vinyl, I figure it must be digital then?

wski4fun
07-11-2006, 12:32 AM
Sorry to say Team-Green but you have offended a lot of us on here I think. It wasn't about the sign but all the other stuff you have said. Yes, there are many co. like you are talking about, both maintanance and hardscapes. I think the problem we are having is that the people on this site for the most part are hard working, service oriented, and proud of their work. By writing the stuff you wrote, it is kind of offensive to me because some of it, I think was directed towards me and others like me. I do mow and I call myself a Landscape and maintanance co. I can do the small stuff very well. I give a friend of mine most of the work because the projects are usually to large. Not only can I do that well, I am mulling over to offers made to me to get out. One is to be a proj. manager of a multi million dollar tiling co. and another is to be a lead computer tech for a school system. This is only to point out that many of us can do many things well regardless of what we call ourselves. Our reputation will let us know how good we are and what we are. The sign really doesn't matter.

kemmer
07-11-2006, 12:35 AM
yes it is full color digital

Team-Green L&L
07-11-2006, 08:47 AM
Very nice work. I wich I could find a printing guy that has that kind of work without wanting to charge too much for it. We paid over $500 for 3 aluminum/vinyl signs. Seemed hight to me, but the product was wonderful. The signs are attached with a hinge and can be dropped down for a mobile counter-top to inspect small equipment and process paperwork. Work out nice for an on-site "offise" per say.

bigjeeping
07-11-2006, 07:26 PM
IMO - magnets are not professional. People know the difference between magnets and lettering. Need I say more?

bigjeeping
07-11-2006, 07:35 PM
Team-Green:

A website does not make a good company.

Neither does fancy signs. Skill, and knowledge make a good company.

Judging by your management skills (Guys working sunday), your install skills (nice hardscape) and your attitude, your lacking in the skills and knowledge department.

But you can add as much flair and filler as you want to try to compensate, including cookie cutter websites filled with B.S.

Dirty Water, I agree with you. Nothing material is going to define the quality of your company's work. However, in the green industry market, which is being strangled by low ballers and mojo's, good companies need something extra which can quickly distinguish them from the lesser companies.

Professional truck lettering, websites, signs, brouchures, uniforms... are all part of maintaining a professional, competitive company. Once my company added all of this material stuff our image skyrocketed! When I pull up to a house to give an estimate in my lettered truck, company polo, and with professional brouchures. I know I'm a step ahead.

DoetschOutdoor
07-11-2006, 07:59 PM
How are magnets not professional??? What about us guys that use our work trucks as daily drivers? My magnets look better than 75% of the companies that have their trucks lettered and they can be taken off and put back on in a few seconds. There are times when I go out on a Friday night and I really do not want landscape lettering all over my truck, that is what the trailer is for.

DBL
07-11-2006, 10:04 PM
Maybe I'm seeing something different, but I see a "landscaping" truck with a mower on it. Our signs are all vinyl.

yeah isnt that what landscapers do they cut grass

jd-dave
07-12-2006, 03:15 AM
http://f650pickups.com/p9.jpg
http://www.backcountryjournal.com/f650b1.jpg
image having this truck. ford really is going big
need to get me one of these babys:hammerhead:

kemmer
07-12-2006, 10:43 AM
wow i was just going to post a picture of that, i saw one at the local pizza place. I think it was a dealer taking it out to show it off judging by the plates

kemmer
07-12-2006, 10:44 AM
How much drop would you need for the hitch lol

Ramairfreak98ss
07-12-2006, 11:59 AM
team green, how is that sign bolted to your trailer? I want a full color print, and have access to a uv dye HP plotter that does 42" wide photo prints. Only thing is, it HAS to be covered from the rain and weather. I havnt found anything yet to cover or encase it on the sides and rear of my white enclosed trailer, looks good though.

THEGOLDPRO
07-12-2006, 08:07 PM
How are magnets not professional??? What about us guys that use our work trucks as daily drivers? My magnets look better than 75% of the companies that have their trucks lettered and they can be taken off and put back on in a few seconds. There are times when I go out on a Friday night and I really do not want landscape lettering all over my truck, that is what the trailer is for.
THANK YOU!!!!! someone gets it, lol i dont like vinyl never have, it destroys the paint over time, and looks like ass when you go to pull it off later down the road to sell the truck, or whatever, i want the freedom to pull the magnets off and on when i please, period.

and were still waiting for the pics of your uncles equipment there teamgreen.

nobagger
07-12-2006, 08:19 PM
Honestly, I don't like em. I hate the 1 and 2 color signs for these reasons:

Your sign is the closest reflection of your company aside from your work. If I'd never seen your work but needed a landscaper I would certainly call someone else. Fork out the few extra bucks for a full color print by next seaon and unless your a "landscaper" change your name to reflect your services.

Great job in taking the initiative though, we waited 4 years, working on word-of-mouth until we picked up the marketing and it's paid off immensely.
The magnets are just fine, I think two tone trucks don't look good as work trucks IMO. Go with what you can afford. This isn't a slam but if you saved for years to get your enclosed trailer then why wouldn't you get that trailer itself lettered instead of that tacky looking sign. The lettering looks ok but the wafferboard its on has to go.

mrusk
07-12-2006, 11:14 PM
I just read all six pages and i can't belive what i read. Team green must be joking. After looking at the pics of his 'walkway' in the hardscape section, i find it hard to belive that he can trash LCOs for doing landscaping. I am 20 years old and in my 2nd year of business, and i would NEVER leave a job looking the way he did. I've seen homeowner jobs come out better than the pics he posted.

Matt

Ferrante's Lawn Service
07-12-2006, 11:42 PM
I have not been on this site in a while but when i was i never read stuff like this.I thought this site was for people that needed help or had questions.We all have our opinions but to bash a guy just for posting pics of his signs is not right.People on this site answered a lot for me and thank u guys for that and for all u other guys who just like to start trouble go on a yahoo chat and talk on their.

THEGOLDPRO
07-15-2006, 03:54 PM
its just funny that this kid takes over his uncles little crap business, adds some flare or whatever he did, lol and pretends to know everything about everything, i still havent see any pics of his equipment, and his operation, all i have seen is his crappy walkway pics.

Master Po
07-16-2006, 10:27 PM
lolz lolz lolz lolz lolz lolz lolz lolz lolz lolz lolz

Team-Green L&L
07-16-2006, 10:35 PM
team green, how is that sign bolted to your trailer? I want a full color print, and have access to a uv dye HP plotter that does 42" wide photo prints. Only thing is, it HAS to be covered from the rain and weather. I havnt found anything yet to cover or encase it on the sides and rear of my white enclosed trailer, looks good though.

We have 1 side rivoted, but will soon change that to match tour other side which is like this: Use a metal anchor shaped like a U but with 1 side longer and that side should have bolts. Drill through your trailor and signs, attached with bolts and wingnuts for quick release. Now you have a site sign also. You can also use chains behind the sign with hinges for a mobile desk. Great for meeting with clients and demonstrating, but will not support tool weight. Using silicone on the bolts for the pictured design with reduce any wobbling from wind. We haven't experienced any issue though.

Team-Green L&L
07-16-2006, 10:42 PM
The magnets are just fine, I think two tone trucks don't look good as work trucks IMO. Go with what you can afford. This isn't a slam but if you saved for years to get your enclosed trailer then why wouldn't you get that trailer itself lettered instead of that tacky looking sign. The lettering looks ok but the wafferboard its on has to go.

Experience has taught me 2 things, 1: Never listen to guys that recommend primitive techniques, and always explain yourself. We use a .8" thick aluminum board with vinyl lettering because it is long lasting, versatile (can be removed easily and provides an extra desk area), and is reusable when we make any future changes to our signs. Pretty elementary, I did quite a bit of research before getting them. I always research any marketing investment as I know that bad materials = bad marketing = negative response = the majority of my competitors. And what do you mean "saved for years"? We got the enclosed trailor right away, along with the vast majority of our current equipment. We don't save. We invest every dime back into the company and work a second job to pay the bills.

nmez21
07-16-2006, 11:12 PM
Sadly, this started over something so simple.
http://www.msprotege.com/members/THEGOLDPRO/0708060914.jpg

THEGOLDPRO
07-16-2006, 11:29 PM
Sadly, this started over something so simple.
http://www.msprotege.com/members/THEGOLDPRO/0708060914.jpglol yeah no kiddin, teamgreen take a hike we really dont care to hear your marketing strategies, so it was nice to hear your worthless input have a good day.

Team-Green L&L
07-16-2006, 11:36 PM
lol yeah no kiddin, teamgreen take a hike we really dont care to hear your marketing strategies, so it was nice to hear your worthless input have a good day.

You kids are great recreation. Be a prick. It doesn't hurt my income at all. I guess I won't see any posts from you asking about marketing then. Besides, if you didn't want feedback, you shouldn't have posted the pics. Just because you don't like my feedback doesn't mean that it's not good. You're just a hard-headed kid and I could pummel you physically or professionally. It's more fun to do it professionally though. Just saw your "Rig". Nice stuff guy. Are you mowing your commercial accounts with that push mower?

LawnDawg65
07-17-2006, 12:17 AM
The sign simply states that he does more than mowing, self explanatory for people with an education. Here in Dallas alot of companies do both, incuding me- I also do my own spraying. We maintain over 800 residential lawns, 34 HOA'S, and dozens of commercial properties. 2 Full time Landscape crews, and most of the work comes from our mowing customers, just my opinion but my mowing is my " bread and butter" and the landscaping revenue is all profit. Like I said I like his signs, it took me 3 years to get some- we all have to start wher he is at. Chris- Plano, Texas

THEGOLDPRO
07-17-2006, 12:21 AM
You kids are great recreation. Be a prick. It doesn't hurt my income at all. I guess I won't see any posts from you asking about marketing then. Besides, if you didn't want feedback, you shouldn't have posted the pics. Just because you don't like my feedback doesn't mean that it's not good. You're just a hard-headed kid and I could pummel you physically or professionally. It's more fun to do it professionally though. Just saw your "Rig". Nice stuff guy. Are you mowing your commercial accounts with that push mower?d0od how childish are you???? are you serious???? also how old are you??? you must be like 40-45 if you keep calling me kid, and bro i seriously doubt even an a little bit that you could even knock the wind out of me much less "pummel" me, bro grow up, take a hike im not gonna get into some pissing contest with a prick that took over his uncles business, lol your pathetic, and really need to stop trying to act like a hotshot, because your not.

we get it your e-***** is bigger then mine, your such an e-thug, lol d0od get a life. like i said have a good day we dont want your ****** self here, or anywhere for that matter.

Team-Green L&L
07-17-2006, 12:22 AM
The sign simply states that he does more than mowing, self explanatory for people with an education. Here in Dallas alot of companies do both, incuding me- I also do my own spraying. We maintain over 800 residential lawns, 34 HOA'S, and dozens of commercial properties. 2 Full time Landscape crews, and most of the work comes from our mowing customers, just my opinion but my mowing is my " bread and butter" and the landscaping revenue is all profit. Like I said I like his signs, it took me 3 years to get some- we all have to start wher he is at. Chris- Plano, Texas

Okay...okay...I give up. They are great signs for your first ones. I can't deny that. He's ahead of where we were for 3 years also. I was just trying to help in the future. I'll go talk to some receptive people now. Sorry!

THEGOLDPRO
07-17-2006, 12:27 AM
i dont think you get it, lol these are my only sings im gonna get, these are not my first signs, they are my last ones, trust me bro i have been landscaping longer then you, this is just the first time i bought magnets, i really dont give a crap about how they look, i have been doing this for 8 years, and never advertized, but decided why not throw some magnets on the truck cant hurt

THEGOLDPRO
07-17-2006, 12:33 AM
and just so you know team green because im sure your wondering i worked for a buddy for 4 years full time, but had a few places, and did some other stuff part time, and have been in business for myself for over 4 years now, so im not some punk kid who just started 2 years ago, i have been around for a while and dont need any help from you.

Team-Green L&L
07-17-2006, 12:50 AM
and just so you know team green because im sure your wondering i worked for a buddy for 4 years full time, but had a few places, and did some other stuff part time, and have been in business for myself for over 4 years now, so im not some punk kid who just started 2 years ago, i have been around for a while and dont need any help from you.

LIKE I SAID, SORRY TO OFFEND YOU, BUT NOW THAT YOU TOLD ME THAT...YOUR SIGNS ARE JUNK! AFTER 4 YEARS THAT IS WHAT YOU CAME UP WITH?

THEGOLDPRO
07-17-2006, 04:55 PM
LIKE I SAID, SORRY TO OFFEND YOU, BUT NOW THAT YOU TOLD ME THAT...YOUR SIGNS ARE JUNK! AFTER 4 YEARS THAT IS WHAT YOU CAME UP WITH?hahahah you are too much, yes thats all i got, and im proud of em, sorry they are not up to your standards.

like i said i think we have heard enough from you, hahahah

bam
07-17-2006, 07:12 PM
some of the largest companies in the country have basic vinyl letters, in a simple color scheme. There reputation advertises the work they do. While some may trash the work they do, revenue must represent something. While some smaller operations may trash the large regional, national companies, there is many things a LCO could learn from these companies.


Gold Pro - your sign is pretty simple and should work well. Hopefully the lettering is 2" or preferably 2.5 to 3" as anything smaller might be hard to read from a distance.

Team Green with so much to bash Gold Pro on, it would be nice to see actual pictures of your wonderful advertising scheme. Also, you may want to think before you post a response. I don't really see how a successful owner of a company would have to hold a second job in order to pay his bills, as you just stated. I would think the revenue you collect would first pay your bills and then be put back into the business to grow.
Maybe you should spend more time in the field growing your business rather than loading up the internet with spam.

dvmcmrhp52
07-17-2006, 07:33 PM
I'll go talk to some receptive people now. Sorry!



With your arrogance you won't find any receptive people.

wski4fun
07-17-2006, 07:45 PM
Thegoldpro-Do you have a sign on the tailgate of the trailer? I would think that may be a great place for people to see the sign. It's my guess that you are just like me. Somewhere right in the middle. You are not a lowballer and you don't compete with the real expensive companies. I am set up and market the majority of the market. There is more competition but if you are honest and do good work, there is plenty of business which means money so we do not have to work a second job. I think your signs are good. I might just put one on the back of the trailer. Remember the t-shirt the DixieChicks wore? Was that futk or was it futg? I can't quit remember.

Jpocket
07-17-2006, 08:26 PM
Okay, maybe I'm the ******ed one, but why would a landscaper need a mower and string trimmers? If you do both, then I'd assume that you have another trailor/truck for your landscaping equipment. Possibly one to haul your Dingo/Bobcat?

IF you mow you can still be considered a landscaper, it's called landscape MAINTENANCE.

AintNoFun
07-17-2006, 08:31 PM
not to bash on anyone but i agree with you. theres nothing magnets say but unprofessional...


IMO - magnets are not professional. People know the difference between magnets and lettering. Need I say more?

mulcahy mowing
07-17-2006, 08:33 PM
not to bash on anyone but i agree with you. theres nothing magnets say but unprofessional...
most of your customers wont care that you use magnets as long as it gets cut and looks nice :laugh: :laugh:

AintNoFun
07-17-2006, 08:54 PM
thats true but if you want new customers you should be concerned about what they would think..


most of your customers wont care that you use magnets as long as it gets cut and looks nice :laugh: :laugh:

Tscape
07-17-2006, 09:02 PM
so then whats the problem???? i dont like vinal, i like ot be able to take the magnets off whenever i need to, i dont like perminate.


OK, this is as far as I could read this silly thread. You asked for opinions and got them. Then you come off like an a**hole because someone gave you what you asked for- their opinion. I don't like your truck or signs either. They look cheap and unprofessional. Build a company image why don't you? But what else can you expect from somebody who can't spell "vinyl" , "permanent" or even "to"?

tthomass
07-17-2006, 09:09 PM
my simple idea to look more "professional"......not that you aren't

put some NICE wooden sides on the truck and then put the sign on that............you get more room for hauling brush mostly and perhaps mulch, all together keeps the truck looking "cleaner"...........the magnets I might would just put on the back of the trailer and get something with a little more to it on the wooden sides of the truck that makes you stand out

i just got a good idea.............your truck is 2 tone, do that on the sign......leaving the large "tan" middle for your info..........you could keep the info simple looking like you have it yet there will be some "personality" to it that will be clean looking and requires little imagination

my truck: http://www.lawnsite.com/showthread.php?t=152097&highlight=car

THEGOLDPRO
07-17-2006, 11:42 PM
like i said im not real concerned with the magnets, in the past i have never advertised, and have always had more work then i could handle, so i really doubt people give a crap about my magnets.

i think too many of you guys stress too much on looking super duper professinal, and really think it makes that big a diffrence, it really doesnt, the majority of people who want their laws mowed dont give a crap about fancy vinyl lettering, and non two-toned trucks, they only care about the quality of service you provide.

ill keep doing what im doing, and im sure ill do fine.

Team-Green L&L
07-17-2006, 11:52 PM
my simple idea to look more "professional"......not that you aren't

put some NICE wooden sides on the truck and then put the sign on that............you get more room for hauling brush mostly and perhaps mulch, all together keeps the truck looking "cleaner"...........the magnets I might would just put on the back of the trailer and get something with a little more to it on the wooden sides of the truck that makes you stand out

i just got a good idea.............your truck is 2 tone, do that on the sign......leaving the large "tan" middle for your info..........you could keep the info simple looking like you have it yet there will be some "personality" to it that will be clean looking and requires little imagination

my truck: http://www.lawnsite.com/showthread.php?t=152097&highlight=car

Nice truck buddy! I'm probably right when I make this statement about your clients thomas; they aren't PITAs right? Mine neither. I get one every once in a while, but the image keeps the PITAs at bay. I like to look the best on the street. I wear nice boots, comb my hair, and wear a suit for business meetings. I have nothing against the guy in overalls, with a 3' beard, and Sharpie sign, but I sure wouldn't hand him free reign to my property while I'm on vacation...and pay him too much to be there.

tthomass
07-18-2006, 12:03 AM
Then i would say we are very much a like.........image image image, because you CAN judge a book by its cover. My neighbor laughs at me when I'm cleaning my truck "you clean that truck more than I clean my a**"........he's joking but I started to say imagine how many more customers you would get if you shaved..........rough beard, always a tank top and shorts giving view to lots of tatoos..........then again he made like $150 grand last year..........general contractor and I have gotten a few jobs through him

grassmanak
07-18-2006, 12:08 AM
yea image is everything, thats why he got a base model pickup ahahahahahahahahhhhhhhahahahah

tthomass
07-18-2006, 12:09 AM
perhaps with mowing you're fine but i can tell you that in landscaping it makes a difference..............a sketch on a napkin or a detailed hand drawn design..........your image in landscaping is often reflected upon your quality of work..........your image could be a rust bucket truck that gets the job done and you get referrals based on jobs you've done..........BUT, if i put my sign next to yours and a customer had to choose who they wanted to install they're $30,000 landscape i'm pretty sure i'd be getting signatures on that contract......thats an example of "public eye"

again, i'm speaking from a landscape/hardscape/construction perspective

tthomass
07-18-2006, 12:12 AM
no its called i got the truck at $5,000 under KBB...........2002 2500HD, 6.0L with a 4.10 rear and only ever used as a daily driver

the only thing i would change is the rims to the factory polished aluminum commonly seen on the Duramax's and nobody is looking inside my truck to see if my seats are heated or not

Team-Green L&L
07-18-2006, 12:23 AM
no its called i got the truck at $5,000 under KBB...........2002 2500HD, 6.0L with a 4.10 rear and only ever used as a daily driver

the only thing i would change is the rims to the factory polished aluminum commonly seen on the Duramax's and nobody is looking inside my truck to see if my seats are heated or not

Man, you catch as much heat as I do. It's starting to become more and more clear that we're not hearing anything but envy. Envy, not because they can't look good, but simply because they won't. It's always the hilljack in the 1977 two-tone talking down on the 2500HD. It always will be, just like we talk crap about Brickman. Yes, I'm envious of them and for good reason.

grassmanak
07-18-2006, 12:25 AM
why the hell would anyone envy you, your so stuck on how good your image looks that you obviously cant get enough accounts to do.

tthomass
07-18-2006, 12:30 AM
its their opinion, even if its wrong :laugh: .........i don't care, to each his own

its my truck, my business.......i'm 22 and trying to stand out among the guys with "Ted Lawncare and Nailcare" businesses

when you deal with customers such as Exxon executives, retired generals, AOL founders etc...........they will NOT pick the less expensive less professional looking company......in my area people often have more $ than sense and not only do they want their property looking professional but the truck in their driveway and guys on their property to look professional as well

Team-Green L&L
07-18-2006, 12:30 AM
why the hell would anyone envy you, your so stuck on how good your image looks that you obviously cant get enough accounts to do.

Not that it's any of your business, but FYI; I only work another job for extra income after my investments and child support get me and we have plenty of "accounts". Where you got your info is beyond me. I have the wonderful job of driving from site to site yelling at young guys (probably just like you) who think they know everything. All the while reaping a whopping $28 MH net profits as I sit in my air conditioned office chair and screw with dumb nuts like you! Don't be envious, just keep sweating buddy! By the way, I'm not arrogant until a hard-head gets my BP up.

M RASCOE&SONS
07-18-2006, 11:07 PM
Honestly, I don't like em. I hate the 1 and 2 color signs for these reasons:

Your sign is the closest reflection of your company aside from your work. If I'd never seen your work but needed a landscaper I would certainly call someone else. Fork out the few extra bucks for a full color print by next seaon and unless your a "landscaper" change your name to reflect your services.

Great job in taking the initiative though, we waited 4 years, working on word-of-mouth until we picked up the marketing and it's paid off immensely.he was showing pics of his truck not asking for ahole remarks

M RASCOE&SONS
07-18-2006, 11:08 PM
Maybe I'm seeing something different, but I see a "landscaping" truck with a mower on it. Our signs are all vinyl.
what kind of comment is this:nono: :nono: :nono:

M RASCOE&SONS
07-18-2006, 11:10 PM
Okay, maybe I'm the ******ed one, but why would a landscaper need a mower and string trimmers? If you do both, then I'd assume that you have another trailor/truck for your landscaping equipment. Possibly one to haul your Dingo/Bobcat?this type of opinions are what pisses most of us off:hammerhead:

M RASCOE&SONS
07-18-2006, 11:12 PM
What a quick turn to defense buddy. Slow down! If you do landscaping, then mowing is a waste of time unless you have a point to prove (hence, our mowing team). What I'm saying is that there are alot of LCO's that try to landscape without the right equipment or knowledge. Heck, we even mess stuff up (obviously) sometimes. The problem is that these guys can't fix their errors and, all too often, steal bids because they know nothing about market value. No credentials or proper insurance and worker's comp., ect. Am I describing you? If so, my point is valid...If not, then there's no reason to be defensive.after reading this back to yourself i think you just might want to punch your ownself in the head.....your jabbing the guy ,for what...

M RASCOE&SONS
07-18-2006, 11:15 PM
In my area the mowing companies are not given much landscape work. The clients seem to want a specialist to create the work and a kid to maintain it. I tend to agree with that philosophy. I've seen too many bad plant placements, root rot, and color nightmares from LCO's trying to landscape.this is the kind of remarks that boils the real lcos butts.after asking about loam prices your a "specialist" cmon.....boobyg doesnt even fire me up like this:hammerhead:

M RASCOE&SONS
07-18-2006, 11:20 PM
Obviously you just posted this pic for some sort os bragging rights? I thought you were looking for advise. Here's my advise: Stop lying to clients about your skills, stop defending yourself for being that liar, and go to school! It is not a battle between landscaper and LCO. You could never steal my work because our clients require alot of insurance. Our revenue is far beyond your scope at this point and keeps increasing. Sound advise is not always what you want to hear. I learned that as a child, one day you will also.I'm not arrogant duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh:confused: ::confused: :confused: :hammerhead:

M RASCOE&SONS
07-18-2006, 11:22 PM
My bad, nice truck and trailer. LOL. I don't have a muti-billion dollar company. As a matter of fact, it's probably no larger than yours. What's nice about being a smart business man is that I can look nice and produce good results and young guys like you who should be listening can be intimidated even though I am a small business. Big Dreams, not Big Equipment. I'm not trying to belittle you. Your signs are better than ours were not too long ago. I am simply sharing the marketing strategies that have worked for us and many more before us.where is the market strategies in your comments?????

Team-Green L&L
07-18-2006, 11:25 PM
Ouch! Excuse me for releasing steam on someone OTHER THAN YOU!

M RASCOE&SONS
07-18-2006, 11:26 PM
Who is this post directed to? I am a business owner. I pay me employees decent wages I think, but they do start around 8.00 an hour without experience. Is there something I'm missing?

I'm obviously wasting my time here. I had a few extra hours this week to bullcrap on the net and figured I'd respond to a few threads. This is becoming irritating though. Everytime I make a suggestion, I am attacked like I just started mowing lawns yesterday. I am merely the back-end operations man., but I'll get out there and get dirty any day I'm needed. No questions asked. Where did I become the badguy?lets see the pictures of the fleet of trucks and equipment ,that is if you have any stuff at all:)

Team-Green L&L
07-18-2006, 11:32 PM
[QUOTE=M RASCOE&SONS]lets see the pictures of the fleet of trucks and equipment ,that is if you have any stuff at all:)[/QUOTE

I'm not having a battle of equipment buddy. We don't have alot of equipment and don't need it. We have 2 dumps, 2 mowers, 3 pick-ups, a skid-steerer with a bunch of attachments, and alot of power tools and hand tools. We don't run a fleet of equipment in order to pay the bills. We aren't a huge operation and if I come off that way you're reading the wrong posts. I simply take pride in our appearance and if that makes me arrogant and pompous and such then so-be-it. I take daily showers too...does that offend you?

DoetschOutdoor
07-18-2006, 11:35 PM
You guys are like a bunch of teenage girls fighting back and forth...do you get amusement out of this? Who gives a **** what his signs look like if he is staying in biz then thats all that matters. How do you have time for this bickering?

M RASCOE&SONS
07-19-2006, 12:04 AM
[QUOTE=M RASCOE&SONS]lets see the pictures of the fleet of trucks and equipment ,that is if you have any stuff at all:)[/QUOTE

I'm not having a battle of equipment buddy. We don't have alot of equipment and don't need it. We have 2 dumps, 2 mowers, 3 pick-ups, a skid-steerer with a bunch of attachments, and alot of power tools and hand tools. We don't run a fleet of equipment in order to pay the bills. We aren't a huge operation and if I come off that way you're reading the wrong posts. I simply take pride in our appearance and if that makes me arrogant and pompous and such then so-be-it. I take daily showers too...does that offend you?what kind of soap do you use?lmao:)

Master Po
07-21-2006, 08:29 PM
lol, you goose!

Howie's Lawn Care
07-22-2006, 11:00 PM
...im not some punk kid who just started 2 years ago...
I AM!:)

You say those are your last signs. I don't think you should think like that. Don't you have dreams of a whole fleet, and an in house ice cream bar?

It's so damn cold! Ice cream was a bad choice.:cry:

Team-Green L&L
07-23-2006, 11:03 AM
[QUOTE=Team-Green L&L]what kind of soap do you use?lmao:)


Ha...ha...I don't get it! Good jokes are funny to more people than yourself. But, I'm sure you knew that with all your wisdom?

South Florida Lawns
07-24-2006, 06:00 PM
Honestly, I don't like em. I hate the 1 and 2 color signs for these reasons:

Your sign is the closest reflection of your company aside from your work. If I'd never seen your work but needed a landscaper I would certainly call someone else. Fork out the few extra bucks for a full color print by next seaon.

Well Team Green your sign sucks ass too. I have seen much better layouts that are more catchy and appealing.

The guy with the Dodge, his magnets are fine for what they are, simple with not too much going on considering the size that it is.

With your trailer being enclosed, you got all that space and you didn't use it. Instead you went small and the design looks like it came from an armature.