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bbailey
07-14-2006, 09:46 PM
Thought this might be an interesting subject to post about. My 02 F-350 SD Dump has a GVW of 12,500. Went on the scale empty today and the truck weight was 10,200. Got a small load of 3/4 stone and when I left I was around 14,000. Truck handled it with no problem but it got me to thinking of how overweight 1 tons run when loaded. Have you guys ever ran way over and thought, boy I hope I make it and don't get stopped. If so, how heavy(if you want to tell)!

Dirty Water
07-14-2006, 10:08 PM
You highlight on exactly why I think 1-ton dumps are worthless.

As far as how overweight I've been, I once hauled 4,000lbs of drainrock in a 1/2 ton.

The truck wasn't really a halfton, as it had 1-ton springs and axles installed, but it was still legally one.

Brianslawn
07-14-2006, 11:40 PM
10,000 lbs on the bed of my ford. 22,000 lbs total weight. (truck and load)

Gravel Rat
07-15-2006, 12:35 AM
Why is your truck have such a heavy tare weight (empty) ?

My 95 F-450 weighs 8400lbs it has heavier springs etc. A F-350 shouldn't weigh anymore than that you better put your truck on a diet. You biggest offender is the scissor hoist its got to be the worst dumping system your adding 600lbs to your truck right there. You go with a telescoping post hoist it weighs at the most 250lbs and it will bend the truck frame before it powers out. My previous F-450 I used to dump 9000lbs of gravel the hoist never powered out like I meantioned the frame behind the cab would bend before the hoist stopped.

As for overloading it depends on what your DOT is like if they are after anything and everything then you will get caught. My biggest concern is braking power if the truck doesn't have the power to stop the loaded truck then I won't haul it. I have 10% and better grades I'am not going to fool around decending them with not enough braking power.

I have had 1 ton trucks its been there done that never again my trucks had disk/drum brakes never could stop the suspension was too light. I went to F-450s 7 years ago never go back to a 1 ton. The 99 and newwer trucks have 4wheel disk brakes which is a little better but the suspension isn't heavy enough and I'am pretty sure the rear axle isn't heavy enough.

Things to consider

Tire capacity
Braking capability
Suspension
Axle capacity
Wheel bearings

Heavy loads for me with 1 ton trucks was 6000lbs now that I have gone to F-450s a 6000lb load is a cake walk a heavy load now is 8000lbs :laugh:

You can run a undersized truck for a little while but eventually it will catch up to you and when it does you will prolly be in poo up to your neck. With more people traveling the highways these days you pretty much have to be legal. What I used to haul on 1 ton trucks 10 years ago I won't do today its not worth the chance I have no desire to live in grey bar hotel.

Good Luck

Oh ya have 14 years experience in the trucking business :laugh:

ALarsh
07-15-2006, 12:50 AM
You highlight on exactly why I think 1-ton dumps are worthless.

As far as how overweight I've been, I once hauled 4,000lbs of drainrock in a 1/2 ton.

The truck wasn't really a halfton, as it had 1-ton springs and axles installed, but it was still legally one.
Are you the one on gm-trucks.com with the green 1/2 / 1 ton ???

Dirty Water
07-15-2006, 01:00 AM
Are you the one on gm-trucks.com with the green 1/2 / 1 ton ???

Nope. I don't visit that board.

notoriousDUG
07-15-2006, 08:56 AM
And people wonder why they get poor service life and have brake, trans and suspension issues with their trucks...;)

The GVWR is there for a reason, while you don't need to stick with it 100% to be safe exceding it by huge amounts is just simply not safe.

What you really need is a larger truck like a 4 or 550. 350s with dumps are ind of worthless for anythign but brush

bbailey
07-15-2006, 10:34 AM
I don't usually haul heavy loads. Usually grass clippings, bark mulch, brush, stuff like that. I am not looking to upset anyone, I just thought it would be an interesting topic. If I need a big load it is easier for me to hire it delivered.

hosejockey2002
07-15-2006, 01:19 PM
Your truck actually is rated to carry less than my Chevy 2500HD with dump insert. I can carry 2800 pounds in the bed and that puts me right at my GVWR of 9200. In order to stay at my max rear axle rating the load has to be biased toward the front of the bed a little bit. I have Timbrens installed and I have hauled as much as 4300 pounds but I try to stay at no more than 3000. My real limiting factor is the rear tires. The brakes are excellent and the truck handles a load just fine.

bbailey
07-15-2006, 04:11 PM
My Ford handles the load just fine too. It is a 6spd so I use the tranny to help slow me down. I don't push the truck that hard either. I also have the highest load rated tires on the truck. My kicker with the truck is the dump body. It is real heavy. I have been looking for a new one, something lighter. The one that is on it has a lot of add ons.

hmartin
07-15-2006, 05:18 PM
My dad owns a scrap metal recycling center and I have seen a customer haul a full size junk car on the bed sideways of a 1/2 ton truck. Can you imagine seeing that coming down the road!!!

tthomass
07-15-2006, 11:16 PM
I've had 3,000lbs of material in the back of my 02 Chevy 2500hd.......power wasn't and issue but i was wish'n my rear sway bar was twice its size

now i've got a 10,000lb GW dump trailer and don't really worry about anything

sheshovel
07-15-2006, 11:20 PM
Well I have blown out my shocks a few times that's for sure!

hosejockey2002
07-16-2006, 09:23 PM
Can you imagine seeing that coming down the road!!!

In certain parts of the country, I certainly can!:laugh:

Travel'n Trees
07-17-2006, 01:49 AM
My 2001 duramax, 2500 HD, If I go across town to the paver plant, I haul 8000 to 10000 lbs in truck and pick three pallets of blocks on trailer. I can run 75 to 80 mph without a problem,that is a gross of 28k to 30k. My f-550 I get 8000lbs of stone and 2 pallets of pavers and struggle to run 55mph in a 65.

hosejockey2002
07-18-2006, 12:39 AM
My 2001 duramax, 2500 HD, If I go across town to the paver plant, I haul 8000 to 10000 lbs in truck and pick three pallets of blocks on trailer.

Get real. If you put 10000 pounds in the back of a 2500HD, you'd flatten the tires and bend the springs over backwards. Before I put my Timbrens on, my springs were bottomed out with half that much weight. Even with them, there's no way I would attempt that much weight, and I have the same truck you do- except that it's a gas engine so it's lighter and therefore can carry more weight.

ALarsh
07-18-2006, 12:51 AM
I went a little overloaded on the trailer today. ;)

5,040 lbs on a 3500 lb axle.:cry:

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Yup... it was bottomed out. Luckily it was a 4 mile drive from the stone supplier.

bbailey
07-18-2006, 09:15 AM
WOW:dizzy: It certainly does not look like a lot of stone. Thats heavy!!!

Fordsuvparts
07-18-2006, 09:47 AM
I guess I will start by calling out Travel'n trees for being so stupid and thinking that he can put that much on the back of his truck( a 3/4 ton) and second for telling us that he then pulled a trailer that was overloaded. Idiots like you make the rest of us look Bad. You might have the power to pull it but what happens when you have to stop it. There is no way in an emergency that you could stop that truck and I hope the DOT in your area bust your dumb a$$ for trying it. Ever thought what would happen if you hit someone with that rig loaded like that.

We run our trucks a little over loaded on short hauls on occasion but that is really hard on the suspension and brakes and we try not to do that. Step up to a bigger truck like a F-450 or a International 4600 LoPro Like we did. I agree that a 1 Ton dump is useless other than for mulch and brush.

ALarsh
07-18-2006, 10:29 AM
I probably saw the most overloaded truck I have seen in a long time today.

It was a Chevy 3500 dump diesel.

Was loaded in the back with stones (i'd guess 10,000-11,000 lbs of it) and then pulling a skid steer.:dizzy: It didn't look pretty going down the road.

Sunscaper
07-18-2006, 10:30 AM
My 04 f-350 4x4 dump 6.0 6spd tare is 9650. I usually haul aggregate within 5 miles at 18000-20000 gross without any problem. My old 97 was identical but it had a 460 and it weighed 8200 tare and I would max at 16000 on the best day. I like my 350 dump alot. I rarely do this but the truck has no problem doing it. Another friend of mine has a 05 chevy equivelent to mine and he won't put anything over 3 ton on it. I think the newer 99 and up ford super duties are really underrated on the GVW.

Travel'n Trees
07-18-2006, 12:41 PM
Hey FORD Suv I have rebuilt the springs it is a dually also, and the ford f-550 suck and I wouldn't try that ride again for my life, the trailer is 14K. Hey maybe I should take your advice how long you been hauling landscape materials. Do you have a international too? How many miles do you haul loaded.

oldrustycars
07-18-2006, 10:06 PM
i was once 101,000 pounds on a truck that 72,000 legal. worst i ever got caught with was 83,000 on 72,000 legal, plus the serial numbers didnt match up with the registration. the overweight fine was about $7500.

Groundwork
07-19-2006, 08:55 PM
I've got a 2000 GMC 2500 with a 9200 gvw, and during the winter I've left the scales weighing in over 11,000 lbs, with plow, salter, and salt. Truck handled fine, especially with the plow on the front for a counter balance, but I did have to put timbrens on in the rear. I only load up that much if we're expecting a big storm, or one over the weekend when the salt distributer closes early.

dvmcmrhp52
07-19-2006, 09:36 PM
This is a great thread!
Where else could you find so many people telling of their illegal activity?

Only in America!:usflag:

tylermckee
07-19-2006, 09:45 PM
The other day i saw a guy in i believe an 80's mazda pick up and it looked like he had about 3 yards of dirt in the bed :laugh: looked like his front tires were about to come off the ground the back was sagging so bad, bottomed out im sure.

Emerscape
07-20-2006, 12:48 AM
I hate to admit it... but last year I was getting asphalt down at the PA Landers plant in plymouth and I realized I wouldnt have time to come back for the second load that I needed so I took 5 tons of asphalt in my 99 F450 7.3 liter. Funy seeing the truck at 20k pounds it didnt really even squat. I put the tarp over the dump and you wouldn't have a clue how much it weighed..

As far as driving.. acceleration was good even got up to 60 on the highway no prob, but was a little ass end heavy :drinkup:

Emerscape
07-20-2006, 09:35 AM
i forgot to mention that I then made my girlfriend help me shovel all 5 tons off the back of it to fill potholes.... at the end of the day she said to me. "I will never ever complain about you being tired after a days work after seeing what you do in a days work" and then she got me another beer..

bbailey
07-20-2006, 10:28 AM
i forgot to mention that I then made my girlfriend help me shovel all 5 tons off the back of it to fill potholes.... at the end of the day she said to me. "I will never ever complain about you being tired after a days work after seeing what you do in a days work" and then she got me another beer..
Good Woman= The ability to realize the day you had and to bring you and ice cold beer!!!:drinkup: My wife is good to me like that also!

Ramairfreak98ss
07-20-2006, 10:55 AM
bailey, are the dump bodies THAT heavy? if a fully decked out f350 is about 7100lbs as a pickup, then you get the pickup bed removed, ~600lbs? and then add the dump body its 3000lbs for that sucker? WHOA. anyway im sure you have extra fuel, junk in the truck etc.. thats really heavy though.

Brendan Smith
07-20-2006, 11:09 AM
not one ounce over:rolleyes:

though when i lived in tenn, i was helping renovate a ballfield and had about 2500 lbs of stone in the back of my then new 1992 toyota pickup. talk about a slug!!

Emerscape
07-20-2006, 11:41 AM
Hey bailey

where are u from in vermont. both my girlfriend and I went to Saint Michael's College and my sister lives over in Jeffersonville

bbailey
07-20-2006, 11:42 AM
Ramair, I said the same thing when I bought the dump. Been scaled at two different yards and they were within 100 lbs. of each other. Made me wonder, so I am going to remove the body to sandblast it and when it is off and the truck is fully fueled I am going to have it weighed again. Just to see what the chassis weighs!

bbailey
07-20-2006, 11:45 AM
Emerscape, I live just outside Rutland, VT. People say where is that and I tell them near Killington(ski area). Hey what does your dump weigh, maybe I missed it and you have already posted it. Diesel, etc. Empty?

Emerscape
07-20-2006, 11:48 AM
its empty weight was over 10k lbs i think it was like 1040 lbs because i had to go to a different place to get it inspected than where i got my pickup truck inspected. I sold it this past March when I got out of the business

MarcSmith
07-20-2006, 01:27 PM
I got stopped for a safety inspection I was driving a '00 f250 king cab with a reading service body, pipe rack, empty tandem axle open trailer and 4 guys., and snow plow.

I was 3 K over GV

Truck with service body, plow, one employee and pipe rack was 500 lb under GV as weighed at a local CAT Scale....

OOPS....it was only about 400 in fines....and no points....But I had no idea that it was so close to the GV, and TGLC had no idea either....

northwest lawn
07-20-2006, 10:53 PM
lmao went to pick up a load of topsoil weighed in empty in my f350 dump at around 9300 pounds, after they filled me to the gills i weighed out around22,000 pounds

GreenMonster
07-20-2006, 11:02 PM
I think 1-ton dumps are worthless.



I couldn't agree more. The local aggregate WILL NOT overload you anymore whereas DOT is getting so tough around here.

I go to the agg to get a load of concrete sand, and it seems as though I may as use need a wheelbarrow. :rolleyes:

Although I don't haul my own materials often, it looks as though I'll prolly have to upgrade next year from an F-350 dump probably up to a 650 so I can still haul agg in for the smaller jobs.

Ramairfreak98ss
07-20-2006, 11:36 PM
lmao went to pick up a load of topsoil weighed in empty in my f350 dump at around 9300 pounds, after they filled me to the gills i weighed out around22,000 pounds

wtf, are you serious?your loading up over 6 TONS of top soil in an f350 dump? HOW?:weightlifter:

Gravel Rat
07-21-2006, 12:38 AM
Somebodys teeth are brown there is no way you could gross a 1 ton to 22,000lbs with topsoil. The heaviest load of topsoil I hauled was 8500lbs or so on my 88 F-450 the soil was pretty wet and heavy.

Our overload fines are 115 to start for being over licensed gvw then its 11.50 dollars for every 100kgs (220lbs)s then if you over axle loads its another 115 dollars and the same 11.50 dollars for every 100kgs over axle rating.

So if your truck has a gvw of 12,000lbs your grossing 15,000lbs

149.50 For the amount over licensed gvw
115.00 For just being overloaded
62.68 For the rear axle overloaded by 1000lbs
115.00 Just because the rear axle is overloaded
52.10 For the front axle overloaded by 1000lbs
115.00 Just because the front axle is overloaded
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609.28 Fine for being 3000lbs overloaded which is pretty heavy for a 1 ton

If your really grossing a 1 ton to 22,000lbs the fine just for being over licensed gvw would be 630 dollars your rear axle is prolly overloaded by 6000lbs the fine for that would be 234.95 a rough total fine 864.95 dollars.

South Florida Lawns
07-28-2006, 07:21 PM
I once hauled 600lbs of girls in the bed of my standard cab long box 1/2 ton chevy.

Fordsuvparts
07-28-2006, 09:22 PM
I hope that there were more than 2 girls!!!!! Hopefully there were 5 or 6 females in that truck.

murray83
07-28-2006, 09:54 PM
tonight i passed a clown with a ford 1 ton dump hauling a 350/450 sized dozer,later on i seen him at the service station getting a pop i said hey and asked him if its legal here to tow a dozer with a 350 he said "i think?" then noticed his trailer.... holy crap it was rusted to hell,no rear brake lights,plywood deck all rotted not to mention no license plate or inspection sticker.

the worst thing was his securement practices.........yep the jackass used 4 bungie cords i nearly craped my pants eyeing that,i just shook my head and asked him if he forgot or damaged his binders....his response "umm binders?:confused: "

some idiots don't deserve to drive.

Gravel Rat
07-28-2006, 11:26 PM
You know when you see things like that you should call the RCMP there is no need for idiots like that being on the road. What if he got in a accident and killed a familly riding in their car.

MLawns
07-29-2006, 12:45 AM
After 14 yrs. in the concrete delivery game, I got out because I have lost 6 fingers over the years and didn't feel right about driving the big trucks anymore. There are too many people on the road and if I ever had an accident, the other party would have sued the crap out of me and rightfully so. Jobs are a dime a dozen. Lives aren't! Idiots that run around with junk vehicles, overloaded to the hilt need to have a shock treatment of what could happen if it doesn't happen first! And then you get the fools that brag about how overloaded are and how fast they can go .....it's beyond comprehension. I (and some other drivers I worked with) would complain about being sent out with 12,13,14 yard loads. Did you ever look at a set of tires that have been put thru that kind of stress for a season? Stress cracks you wouldn't believe! It's time to think of the issues other than can the truck perform? Will your tires perform on a piece sh*t trailer with a junk truck towing it? What about the family you meet on the road when that tire lets loose? GUYS...LETS GET REAL!!

MLawns
07-29-2006, 12:54 AM
Here's an afterthought.........the next time you're loaded to the hilt like that, walk around your truck and look at the tires. Really look. You may be in for a surprise. Some of you are travelling accidents. How does the ride feel? Feel every pebble? Think of it as a boat....fast take off,nose in the air, can't stop. Does that give you a feeling of control?

MarcSmith
07-30-2006, 03:17 PM
Here's an afterthought.........the next time you're loaded to the hilt like that, walk around your truck and look at the tires. Really look. You may be in for a surprise. Some of you are travelling accidents. How does the ride feel? Feel every pebble? Think of it as a boat....fast take off,nose in the air, can't stop. Does that give you a feeling of control?

Heck we all know if the tires look like ballooned out at the contact patch as a result of a bit extra weight a bit more air in the tire will solve that problem and increase our load capacity....