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earthmover
07-18-2006, 08:43 PM
How much could a 26,000 Lb. dump truck tow. Im thinking a used International 4700 or 4900 with 190 to 210 hp. I would like to tow a backhoe or a dozer with it. Could it be done?

Scag48
07-18-2006, 09:09 PM
Almost impossible. A truck with that kind of GVWR would weigh at least 12K, plus a trailer, plus a backhoe. You'd be sitting right about 18-19K depending on trailer weight before you even put a backhoe on the thing.

earthmover
07-18-2006, 09:30 PM
Im talking the towing capacity of 26,000lb. dump towing a trailer and I want to know how much weight the truck can tow.

Mike33
07-18-2006, 09:45 PM
Listen to what the guy just told you. I pull only a bobcat and hoe attm. and that with trailer is around 10,000 or more. I have a guy with a single axle ford it is either a 8000 or 9ooo series and he can haul 11-12 ton legal. last week we loaded him with fill dirt to haul away and dot stopped him. His weight was okey he weighed 38,000 and was tagged for 40,000. So your truck tagged at 26,000 will not do much as far as the weight to be legal. Be very careful dot fines are not cheap and heaven forbid if you get in a wreck.
Mike

hosejockey2002
07-18-2006, 09:48 PM
It could be done. For a 580-size backhoe, you'd have to license it for around 50-52K, and watch how much weight you carry in the truck. If you plan on toting a construction-size machine around, you may want to consider a 34K single axle or a tandem. You'll be well into class A CDL territory any way you go. With that size machine, there's just no way around it if you want to be legal.

oldrustycars
07-18-2006, 10:00 PM
ive towed case 580E and deere 310C backhoes with a truck smaller than that, Isuzu FTR, on a 9 ton 3 axle trailer, it worked ok. must be loaded properly, and with properly working trailer brakes. wouldnt be my firsthioce, but it worked fine for the 4 years i worked for that guy.

earthmover
07-18-2006, 10:26 PM
Im talking if everything is registered correct for the weight and have a class a cdl would this truck pull a 13 ton trailer considerinbg the dump bed is empty.

McKeeLand
07-18-2006, 10:36 PM
A 26000 GVW is the gross weight of the truck and the load its carrying not the load it can tow. That is the GCVW( gross combined vehicle weight) which can and is more than the GVW simple by registering the vehicle for that weight. My F-450 has a GVW of 15000#, but a towing capacity much higher than that, up to 33000#. That would mean that i could only tow 5000# if you went by the GVW. To answer your question, a truck with a 26000# gvw is more than adequate to tow a 580E or equivalent. You will be in CDL weight though.

earthmover
07-18-2006, 10:55 PM
Thanks thats what I wanted to know.

Scag48
07-19-2006, 08:38 AM
Oh I see, I misunderstood your intent. You should be more than adequate to tow with a truck tagged for 26,000, but the rating for the truck doesn't really mattter though because the 26,000 is only the capacity for the tow vehicle. You'd have to tag the truck for about 50-52K, but yeah, you could do it.

oldrustycars
07-19-2006, 09:06 AM
in illinois they combine the license plate weight if the truck and the trailer for the gross weight, except on a semi. if your truck is plated for 20,000 and the trailer plated for 20,000, you can legally be 40,000.

janb
07-19-2006, 05:05 PM
I would be most concerned about your brakes and terrain. Juice Brakes, automatic tranny and gas engine are all disadvantages. It is very common to tow 20k with a SA dump truck. Be very careful in loading, AND braking going around corners, as heavy trailer weight can do some 'unexpected' steering for you, resulting in 'jack-knife' (and dumped trailer cargo):nono: with an 'empty' truck. Especially bad on steep downgrades, tight corners, gravel on pavement and bumpy roads. Have good trailer brakes,:weightlifter: and use them.:hammerhead:

McKeeLand
07-19-2006, 05:19 PM
I would be most concerned about your brakes and terrain. Juice Brakes, automatic tranny and gas engine are all disadvantages. It is very common to tow 20k with a SA dump truck. Be very careful in loading, AND braking going around corners, as heavy trailer weight can do some 'unexpected' steering for you, resulting in 'jack-knife' (and dumped trailer cargo) with an 'empty' truck. Especially bad on steep downgrades, tight corners, gravel on pavement and bumpy roads. Have good trailer brakes, and use them.

This is a good point too. I assumed you are from south jersey where the biggest hill around here is an exit ramp to the highway. A good alternative to electric brakes would be air or vacuum over hydraulic brakes on your trailer. i used to have this on my old F450 that i towed a 10 ton, 32' gooseneck with. Even with a diesel engine you have a vacuum pump that will work very well with this set up. Plus you do not need a air brake endorsement because it just an assist.