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rutwad
08-12-2006, 06:44 PM
What is the approximate weight of a tandem axle dual wheel goosemeck in the 20-30 ft range? Anybody have one and know the weight/length?

I need to haul almost 13k. Would I have any issues with a new 3/4 ton GM diesel/allison set-up. I'm in SCentral AL, so the hills aren't bad at all.

Thanks

PerennialSuccess
08-12-2006, 07:31 PM
Big Tex 12k tandem goosenecks:

20' 4625#
22' 4985#
24' 5340#
26' 5695#

I think there won't be too much problem with that truck towing this setup. Dunno how often I would tow 13k on a 5.5k trailer on a SRW truck though.

rutwad
08-12-2006, 07:39 PM
Big Tex 12k tandem goosenecks:

20' 4625#
22' 4985#
24' 5340#
26' 5695#

.

12k is all they're good for?

cet
08-12-2006, 07:55 PM
Have you gone to their web site? The first 2 numbers in the model # tell you how much the GVWR is. From 12,000lbs to 25,000lbs. I see that you also posted this at dieselplace.com. You might have better luck over there, it is a great site.

Jpocket
08-12-2006, 09:40 PM
The truck won't have a problem towing it, just mkae sure your trailer brakes work and you have a decent controler. Secondly DOT won't care how well the truck tows it if your are of your max GVW or combination weight.

hosejockey2002
08-12-2006, 09:51 PM
If you're not concerned about exceeding your rear axle weight and GVWR, the powertrain will probably handle the load OK. Timbrens or airbags will help with rear end sag. Your total towed load will probably be around 18K, with 3-3.5K on the pin. That's a lot for a 2500HD, and will put you well over the truck's rating. You may want to upgrade tires, or better yet get a 3500 with duals. Be careful, if your gross combined weight exceeds 26000 you'll be in the CDL zone.

rutwad
08-13-2006, 08:08 AM
If you're not concerned about exceeding your rear axle weight and GVWR, the powertrain will probably handle the load OK. Timbrens or airbags will help with rear end sag. Your total towed load will probably be around 18K, with 3-3.5K on the pin. That's a lot for a 2500HD, and will put you well over the truck's rating. You may want to upgrade tires, or better yet get a 3500 with duals. Be careful, if your gross combined weight exceeds 26000 you'll be in the CDL zone.


The 3/4 ton's GVWR is 9200lbs. Payload is 3163lbs. So the pin weight sounds fine if it doesn't do over 3163, right?

The GCWR is 22k. If the truck weighs 6k, then I only have 16k left for trailer AND load. Will the DOT check my weight compared to this. Say if I was at 23k or so, would I be fined?

As far as the 26000 lbs to meet the CDL requirements, is this based on actual weight? Or potential capacity?

The reason I ask is because the DOT is really getting stricter here in AL, maybe nationwide?

thanks guys!!!!:drinkup:

lawnmaniac883
08-13-2006, 01:01 PM
If you weigh one pound over GCWR then you will be fined.

xcopterdoc
08-13-2006, 01:01 PM
It's based on gross weight.
You will need a CDL in all 50 states if....

A single vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of more than
26,000 pounds.

A trailer with a GVWR of more than 10,000 pounds if the gross
combination weight rating is more than 26,000 pounds.

A vehicle designed to transport more than 15 persons (including the
driver).

Any size vehicle which requires hazardous materials placards.
(Your state may have additional definitions of CMVs.)

rutwad
08-13-2006, 02:20 PM
Crap :hammerhead: :hammerhead: , looks like I will need a CDL and a dually. It's not the route I wanted to take, but I'm sure it pays to be within the limits of the law.

Thanks

rutwad
08-13-2006, 02:45 PM
Big Tex 12k tandem goosenecks:

20' 4625#
22' 4985#
24' 5340#
26' 5695#



Do you have a link to this info. I checked their website and could not find it!

thanks

Jpocket
08-13-2006, 06:23 PM
If you want to be totally legal, you will need a 4500 medium duty, a 1ton dually will stilll be over the limit at times.

FearThisDeere
08-13-2006, 06:45 PM
A CDL is the way to go. It never hurts to have one. I am going to get one this winter.

Lawnworks
08-13-2006, 06:48 PM
How will you need a CDL? I don't understand?? If your truck is unmarked, you will never get pulled over by DOT. I didn't see one DOT/public safety car when I was in Alabama the other day. I think northern states enforce these overwieght laws more than the southern states. If it was me, I would hook it up... that truck can handle it.

cet
08-13-2006, 07:32 PM
Looking at the web site again, the larger tandem axel trailers have dual rear wheels(8 wheels total).

rutwad
08-13-2006, 09:02 PM
How will you need a CDL? I don't understand?? If your truck is unmarked, you will never get pulled over by DOT. I didn't see one DOT/public safety car when I was in Alabama the other day. I think northern states enforce these overwieght laws more than the southern states. If it was me, I would hook it up... that truck can handle it.

It is not suppose to be unmarked. Now 3/4 and 1 ton trucks are included in requiring DOT stickers, must pass inspections, medical card for driver, fire extinguisher, triangle safety/ emergency reflectors, etc.

The DOT is around here quite regularly on HWY 80 between Selma and Montgomery, and on I-65 just south of Montgomery. They may not be strict on the smaller trucks yet, all I've seen them check so far are semi's.

But I could chance it.....

rutwad
08-13-2006, 09:10 PM
Another thing, I've seen a gooseneck trailer rated as 25k. Is that gross weight or load capacity. It only had 2 10000 lb axles, and the trailer weighs close to 7000 lbs. Does that only leave 13000 to haul? If so, I will need a trailer this size.
Or another example is a tandem axle single wheel rated at 14000 lbs. It has 2 7000 lb axles, but I assume I would have to add the trailer weight to my load weight. Is that cutting it too close with a approx. 12400 lb load?

Thanks for helping with so many quistions, I just want to know what is right and wrong, then I can decide which way to go...:nono:

Gilla Gorilla
08-13-2006, 10:21 PM
If you want a honest answer that you can go buy then I would get on the phone with the DOT in Alabama and let them know what you are driving now and have, then ask them what you need to be pulling it with and on weight and size wise.

Good luck

hosejockey2002
08-13-2006, 11:58 PM
The 3/4 ton's GVWR is 9200lbs. Payload is 3163lbs. So the pin weight sounds fine if it doesn't do over 3163, right?

Only if you can drive your truck by remote control.:) From that payload rating you subtract yourself, any aftermarket or dealer installed equipment (like your gooseneck hitch). The only way to know for sure it to roll your truck over a scale. Your truck weight (6000 lbs.) sounds about right for a D/A regular cab 2WD truck. 4x4, extended cab, power seats and all that other foofaraw add weight and must be subtracted from your payload rating. Speaking from experience, though, the 2500HD handles a 500 lb. overload just fine, especially with Timbrens installed. Dually is still probably the way to go. If I had your towing requirements, I'd go to at least a 4500 series and would strongly consider a larger truck then that.