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2Acres
08-19-2006, 12:47 PM
I'm looking to buy a used zero turn for residential use 2+ acres with pine trees along the border of the yard and a slope in the corner of back yard. My budget is around +/- $3,000 depending on value.

I've looked at the following:
'03 Toro Z Master SFS 52 deck 19 hp Kawasaki in the $3200-$3500 range 800 hrs.
'00 Dixie Chopper XF 2500 Flatlander 60 deck 25 hp Kohler in the $2300 -$2500 range with 1500 hrs
'03 Exmark 52 deck 19 hp Kawasaki in the $3500-$3800 range with 1100 hrs.

The Exmark is the cleanest. All drive and cut fairly well.

Any thoughts? Any other models to consider?

Thanks

grass_cuttin_fool
08-19-2006, 01:01 PM
The toro witht he SFS deck, well the SFS just cuts the grass and dissperses the clippings, if you cut 2 inches of grass then you will have 2inch clippings on your lawn, it doesnt seem to cut them any finer.

If I understand a flatlander correctly, this mower is made for top speed and doesnt do very well in a hilly situation, I dont know how the ground is in that part of NY.

The exmark may give you the best results of the 3 listed, I dont know about the price vs the hours.

I do own a toro with an SFS deck, nice cut but the clippings are an issue witht he mower

wayne

MJB
08-19-2006, 01:13 PM
I'm looking to buy a used zero turn for residential use 2+ acres with pine trees along the border of the yard and a slope in the corner of back yard. My budget is around +/- $3,000 depending on value.

I've looked at the following:
'03 Toro Z Master SFS 52 deck 19 hp Kawasaki in the $3200-$3500 range 800 hrs.
'00 Dixie Chopper XF 2500 Flatlander 60 deck 25 hp Kohler in the $2300 -$2500 range with 1500 hrs
'03 Exmark 52 deck 19 hp Kawasaki in the $3500-$3800 range with 1100 hrs.

The Exmark is the cleanest. All drive and cut fairly well.

Any thoughts? Any other models to consider?

Thanks

Just remember the air cooled engines are only gonna last you until about 2000 - 2500 hrs if they were taking proper care of them. So consider what it would cost to replace an engine when buying used.

MTR
08-19-2006, 01:53 PM
I'm looking to buy a used zero turn for residential use 2+ acres with pine trees along the border of the yard and a slope in the corner of back yard. My budget is around +/- $3,000 depending on value.

I've looked at the following:
'03 Toro Z Master SFS 52 deck 19 hp Kawasaki in the $3200-$3500 range 800 hrs.
'00 Dixie Chopper XF 2500 Flatlander 60 deck 25 hp Kohler in the $2300 -$2500 range with 1500 hrs
'03 Exmark 52 deck 19 hp Kawasaki in the $3500-$3800 range with 1100 hrs.

The Exmark is the cleanest. All drive and cut fairly well.

Any thoughts? Any other models to consider?

Thanks

I would not buy any of those mowers, with 800 hrs and up, the engine is pretty much half way there as you don't know the history of usage.
If the eXmark is about 500 hr or less, I would go with it. As Trivantage deck is a lot better than any of the three.

sawman65
08-19-2006, 03:04 PM
that tri vantage deck is the best out of them all but a hp lazer will not hold hills well plus it has the kawajunkie on it. just because the dixie is labeled a flat lander does not mean it wont hold a hill after you get some time behind the sticks it will hold a hill better than the rest,and it has a kohler

2Acres
08-19-2006, 04:30 PM
I'm looking to buy a used zero turn for residential use 2+ acres with pine trees along the border of the yard and a slope in the corner of back yard. My budget is around +/- $3,000 depending on value.

I've looked at the following:
'03 Toro Z Master SFS 52 deck 19 hp Kawasaki in the $3200-$3500 range 800 hrs.
'00 Dixie Chopper XF 2500 Flatlander 60 deck 25 hp Kohler in the $2300 -$2500 range with 1500 hrs
'03 Exmark 52 deck 19 hp Kawasaki in the $3500-$3800 range with 1100 hrs.

The Exmark is the cleanest. All drive and cut fairly well.

Any thoughts? Any other models to consider?

Thanks

Thanks for the quick response, one more I looked at.
'00 Bunton 61 deck 25 hp Kawasaki with 900 hrs $3500

2nd Chance
08-19-2006, 05:13 PM
If it was my choice i would lean toward the exmark , don;t let these guys tell you that kawasaki motors are junk . I have owned both k.w. and kohler and the k.w would quit first in an east texas fight , them kohlers aint got it man im sorry i wish they did it's an american company it should burn down a kawasaki but the fact is --IT WON;T .

sawman65
08-20-2006, 08:57 AM
If it was my choice i would lean toward the exmark , don;t let these guys tell you that kawasaki motors are junk . I have owned both k.w. and kohler and the k.w would quit first in an east texas fight , them kohlers aint got it man im sorry i wish they did it's an american company it should burn down a kawasaki but the fact is --IT WON;T .

i work and sell these things for a living and the sad fact is I HAVE DONE MORE WARRANTY ON THE KAWAJUNKIE THAT THE KOHLER.also you can not short block a kaw. you have to buy a whole new engine. tell that to the owner of the lco whose guy did not check the oil
on average some of my guy and gals put over 500 hr's on there mowers yearly the kohlers last over 2500 hr's i have never heard a kaw lasting that long.

2nd Chance
08-20-2006, 07:42 PM
If you work on them for a living you would have to know more about them than me ! I know this. A kawasaki will never rattle because the lifters wont "pump up < kawasaki has a solid lift> I also have seen on more than one occasion an equal contest in torque between the two brands . It's what I call the bog down test, run the same deck size on the same brand of mower and set the rpm's at 3600 and put them to work- push them to their limit . Time after time i have seen the Koher stall <die > while the Kawajunkie as you call it keeps right on trucking. Now this does not have anything to do with short blocks or how long they will last . I surely realize, that But I don't believe a Kohler will outlast a kawasaki Nope .

REALSLOW
08-20-2006, 07:55 PM
Also you might want to look at the MTD cub tank or a Lesco Z2, you can usually find them with little hours for about half price and they are good mowers just real poor resale value in my area anyway.

dfischer
08-21-2006, 01:26 PM
1) Kaw's are darn good motors. Despite the "odd" opinion otherwise.

2) I too think you're looking @ high hour motors. What kind of rebuld quote are you getting on each one?

3) Hours MATTER. Don't forget the wear on the pumps.

4) Personally, I look at time in dollars. I consider a hour to be $10 an hour for the first 100 hours, $5 per hour for the next 900, and $2.50 for every subsequent. So:

The toro owner got $5000 of value from his.
Dixie=$6750
Exmark=5750

Since I think those are roughly $7500 machines, I think they're ALL overpriced, but the Toro may be the better buy.

Reversing the above, realize that if you buy the dixie, it "owes" you maybe 300 hours of life. From then on, you're on borrowed time re: any of a number of big repair bills. ($7500 {what you could buy a new one for} - value of life used {6750}=750 life value remaining, at a @2.50/rate, should be 300 hours.

You pay $2500 for it against 300 hours "owed" means your paying $8+ per hour for it's 300 hours + any overage you want to gamble on. Very bad deal. You would be better off buying new.

2Acres
08-21-2006, 06:27 PM
1) Kaw's are darn good motors. Despite the "odd" opinion otherwise.

2) I too think you're looking @ high hour motors. What kind of rebuld quote are you getting on each one?

3) Hours MATTER. Don't forget the wear on the pumps.

4) Personally, I look at time in dollars. I consider a hour to be $10 an hour for the first 100 hours, $5 per hour for the next 900, and $2.50 for every subsequent. So:

The toro owner got $5000 of value from his.
Dixie=$6750
Exmark=5750

Since I think those are roughly $7500 machines, I think they're ALL overpriced, but the Toro may be the better buy.

Reversing the above, realize that if you buy the dixie, it "owes" you maybe 300 hours of life. From then on, you're on borrowed time re: any of a number of big repair bills. ($7500 {what you could buy a new one for} - value of life used {6750}=750 life value remaining, at a @2.50/rate, should be 300 hours.

You pay $2500 for it against 300 hours "owed" means your paying $8+ per hour for it's 300 hours + any overage you want to gamble on. Very bad deal. You would be better off buying new.

I like your analysis.
The Dixie has new pumps though.

I think most of the used mowers around here are overpriced. It's hard to find a 300-500 hr. machine that's reasonable.

dfischer
08-23-2006, 01:10 AM
Yes, it it. About this time last year I was in your shoes. Eventually I said screw it and bought a JD 757 demo. Paid lots more then I wanted, but got a lot for my money...

scott's turf
08-31-2006, 03:51 PM
This guy is probably only going to be putting less than 50 hrs per year on the machine so I don't think that a motor with 800 hours will be a concern. My kawasaki has 1000 hrs and I have not changed a thing on the mower (laser hp) besides belts.

Lumberjack
08-31-2006, 04:05 PM
Might want to check out the gravely@home mowers if theres a dealer near by. For the mowing your gonna do they will last many years and will have a warrenty as well.

2Acres
08-31-2006, 06:08 PM
Thanks,

I'm looking at some new ones as well I mentioned in another post. However, I'd really be happy picking up something for $3k with low hours for my purposes.

steve45
08-31-2006, 08:08 PM
I paid $3200 for a 2000 Scag Tiger Cub with 1200 hours. I figured that for residential use (1 acre), if the engine lasted to 2000 hours, that would get me to retirement age.

Regardless, I think you're making a better choice than buying a new non-commercial mower for the same money.

DEEJ
09-11-2006, 02:37 PM
2 acres,

One of the other posters was right on with his comments. For you, mowing a single lawn, an engine with 800 or 1100 hours on it is nothing. For the number of hours you will put on, you will get tired of it before it dies. I would not hesitate to buy a mower with those kinds of hours on them. Find a clean one in good condition - get the price down as much as you can, and go for it.

I have an early 80's 3 wheel 60" Ransommes Bobcat with an 18hp Kohler on it. Over 3000 hours on the original motor and no signs of problems.

I have a 2001 Lazer with the 26EFI Kohler that is now approaching 3000 hours without a problem.

Change the oil regularly (40-50 hours for me with non-synthetic oil) and you will be laughing, in my opinion.

Me personal choice would be the Exmark, or any other Exmark with the TriVantage or UltraCut deck.

deej

2Acres
09-11-2006, 06:12 PM
Thanks again.

zeroturner
09-13-2006, 09:09 AM
I agree. A commercial mower with about 800 hours will last you a very long time only cutting 2 acres weekly. I run toros with SFS decks and overall I have been very pleased with the quality of cut and the its dispersal of clippings.