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Dirty Water
08-24-2006, 09:54 AM
http://www.machinerytrader.com/images/Machinery/fullsize/73326521.jpg

It looks more a Komatsu?

Does Cat have other companys build their greymarket rigs?

jazak
08-24-2006, 10:10 AM
They guy might have repainted it but I've seen several guys around here with older CAT zts excavators that look the same.

Dirty Water
08-24-2006, 10:31 AM
Its the 3 piece boom that made me wonder. I'm still excavator shopping, so I check the local listings every few days.

jazak
08-24-2006, 11:05 AM
Oh well I think they made two booms the one pictured is off[-set boom which is very popular in China, Japan, ext. It digs a square hole just like the other but instead of the stick moving side to side by the cab it does it up top.

Scag48
08-24-2006, 03:53 PM
Yep, that'a grey. Any Cat excavator that says "REGA" on it is a grey. Plus, the little blue sticker with yellow Japanese symbols and the smiley face is slapped on just about all grey market machines, that's a dead giveaway.

Gravel Rat
08-25-2006, 12:31 AM
I think the machine is orginally a Mitsubushi with a Cat name essentially the same machine you can tell it has the red stripe on it. I agree with Scag its a grey market machine.

Mowingman
08-25-2006, 07:29 AM
You are not seriously considering buying a gray market machine are you?
Hopefully you realize the potential problems you could face by doing that.

Green Pastures
08-25-2006, 07:37 AM
You are not seriously considering buying a gray market machine are you?
Hopefully you realize the potential problems you could face by doing that.


Would you mind telling us?

tylermckee
08-25-2006, 09:18 AM
in my area you see a lot of grey market machines, guys dont really have problems getting parts for them. Some of the dealers ***** about it being a grey market machine but they still get you what you need, their just mad you don't have a machine from them.

bbailey
08-25-2006, 09:59 AM
My Komatsu is a grey market machine and I have had no problem getting parts for it. My dealer has helped me each time with no problem.

TerraFirma Excavating
08-25-2006, 11:25 AM
As you know, parts guys normally look up everything based upon model or serial number. The grey market machines aren't in their database. A friend of mine has a Komatsu dozer and has a hard time finding the correct part because of this.

J&R Landscaping
08-25-2006, 02:46 PM
Heres a link to the page
http://www.cat.com/cda/layout?m=37840&x=7

Scag48
08-25-2006, 06:55 PM
I think grey market Hitachi's are easier to get parts for than grey Komatsus, so I've been told. Even then, it's still a gamble. I would recommend staying away from grey if at all possible unless your funds are really limited.

Mike33
08-25-2006, 07:37 PM
Is there really a bad excavator? Im kicking around hate to spend the money. I mainly to general landscaping 9 new yard installs ) Build a lot of srw's. Currently use a 709 hoe attachment. I dont do any water, sewer lines, etc.
Mike

Gravel Rat
08-25-2006, 09:47 PM
I would probably avoid a machine with that type of boom it makes the machine top heavy. I know a guy with a 311 its one size bigger than that machine with the same style boom he said if you get on a slope you could roll backwards. I watched him work on a decent slope and you can tell that extra weight above the cab makes the machine a little more wobbly.

The gray market Komatsu's are the worst for parts most of those machines are painted purple from the factory and companies over here paint them Yellow. There isn't many grey market Hitachi's around the old UH machines were mostly grey market the EX series not so much.

Mowingman
08-25-2006, 09:48 PM
While I can not remember all the exact details, as I am no longer involved in buying construction machinery, there can be serious legal problems arise in certain situations.
Safety is one problem. Most Gray Market machines are not built with the safety equipment required on machines built for the U.S. market. Should an accident occur with one of these noncompliant machines, you could be facing serious liability problems.
Engine emissions is a problem. Many of these machines do not meet pollution regulations. Fines can be pretty high if you get caught.
I can not remember the exact details, but if certain govt. agencies inspect your machine and find it to be a noncompliant, Gray Market machine, it can be confiscated, and you have no legal recourse to get it back. There have been public service advertisements in many heavy equipment magazines detailing all the legal problems you are opening yourself to when buying Gray Market machinery.
And, of course, there is the issue of finding parts, which was touched on above.

Mike33
08-25-2006, 09:59 PM
Can i ask a stupid ? What do you mean by gray market?
Mike

Gravel Rat
08-25-2006, 10:11 PM
I don't know where the Gray-Grey market machine come from but the meaning is they are machines brought here from oversea's mainly from China or Japan. They usually have oriental writing all over the cab and they have that musty smell to them in the cab.

I don't think its as popular to bring machines to North America as the cost of shipping is so expensive.

dug1016
08-26-2006, 02:11 AM
One other thing to consider about Gray machines (not buying them) is the engine Tier emissions rating. In California, there is a huge crunch on contractors to have at least a Tier II Engine, which is quickly being pahsed out and replaced by Tier III engines. Essentially, each time you go up a Tier on the engine emission ratings, your NOX and other tailpipe emissions are reduced (typically by about 15%). Anyways, most Gray machines are not intended for North American use, and therefore, do not meet emission requirements. Most recent North American-made products have both EPA and CARB (California Air Resource Board) certification numbers printed on the engine serial number plates. In some cases, local authorites here have shut down jobs and in other cases red-tagged machines for not meeting Tier requirements. And, I've been told, once your into the database as a violator, there's no getting out.

salopez
08-26-2006, 10:03 PM
Not all of the purple or blue, or teal komatsus are great market. some were designed for the us....they just used the reg. japanese paint.
Personally I like the triple pivot boom...really gets into a tight spot.