results from Green Gardian?

[livingsoils]

I know some people were trying it this season and I was wondering what type of results they had?
Mike

[mrkosar]

prolawnservice and i had about the same results, that is poor. i sprayed in spring with it, and i'm going to test it out again this fall. i really don't understand how they say it is a weed control. i didn't see any of that property of the product, but did get some green from the fertilizer part.

the two problems i have with it are:

you are supposed to apply it, this is what i read on that forum, 3 times in 4 weeks. then once a month for the rest of the year. that is just impossible to sell to a customer especially with the lack of results i saw.

second problem was i got some phytotoxicity with one application. do not know if i was putting it down too heavy or what, but they still haven't responded to my questions on their sponsored forum.

disappointing to say the least. i would test it out before buying a lot that's for sure. on the positive side they are trying to develop a selective organic weed control. i hope they continue to do research and make a more cost effective product that i can advertise to customers as being safe for pets and children, BUT also kills the weeds.

my opinion they have created a fertilizer that helps thicken the lawn, which results in a reduction of weeds. well, so do most fertilizers, right?

[green_mark]

prolawnservice and i had about the same results, that is poor. i sprayed in spring with it, and i'm going to test it out again this fall. i really don't understand how they say it is a weed control. i didn't see any of that property of the product, but did get some green from the fertilizer part.

the two problems i have with it are:

you are supposed to apply it, this is what i read on that forum, 3 times in 4 weeks. then once a month for the rest of the year. that is just impossible to sell to a customer especially with the lack of results i saw.

second problem was i got some phytotoxicity with one application. do not know if i was putting it down too heavy or what, but they still haven't responded to my questions on their sponsored forum.

disappointing to say the least. i would test it out before buying a lot that's for sure. on the positive side they are trying to develop a selective organic weed control. i hope they continue to do research and make a more cost effective product that i can advertise to customers as being safe for pets and children, BUT also kills the weeds.

my opinion they have created a fertilizer that helps thicken the lawn, which results in a reduction of weeds. well, so do most fertilizers, right?

I will look this weekend to find your post that I did not answer. Sorry, I guess I just missed it.

I need to speak to both yourself and prolawnservice to find out what was going on and see what can be done to make it work for you.

A number of companies have posted very positive results and of course, we have a large client base that is in the 'normal' range of being happy.

Call me to discuss at 651-789-1830. This is my direct line for anyone, anytime to call for support.

[humble1]

prolawnservice and i had about the same results, that is poor. i sprayed in spring with it, and i'm going to test it out again this fall. i really don't understand how they say it is a weed control. i didn't see any of that property of the product, but did get some green from the fertilizer part.

the two problems i have with it are:

you are supposed to apply it, this is what i read on that forum, 3 times in 4 weeks. then once a month for the rest of the year. that is just impossible to sell to a customer especially with the lack of results i saw.

second problem was i got some phytotoxicity with one application. do not know if i was putting it down too heavy or what, but they still haven't responded to my questions on their sponsored forum.


disappointing to say the least. i would test it out before buying a lot that's for sure. on the positive side they are trying to develop a selective organic weed control. i hope they continue to do research and make a more cost effective product that i can advertise to customers as being safe for pets and children, BUT also kills the weeds.

my opinion they have created a fertilizer that helps thicken the lawn, which results in a reduction of weeds. well, so do most fertilizers, right?

did you try the new product yet? results

[NattyLawn]

Humble,

Do a search. I've been in most of the threads pertaining to the product and use it in my program. There used to be a sponsor forum for them. Are they no longer a sponsor?

[mrkosar]

did you try the new product yet? results

i didn't have time this fall to try it out again. my opinion will remain the same until then, but i do hope that it works when i get the chance to use it. no selective organic weed control is the biggest obstacle holding organic lawn care back. the more consumers start demanding natural products, the better in quality these products will get.

[Smallaxe]

Canada is S.O.L. with weed control now.
I would think something has to give.

[phasthound]

did you try the new product yet? results

Why do you feel it is necessary to state your political beliefs on your posts? Who cares?

[heritage]

I know some people were trying it this season and I was wondering what type of results they had?
Mike

Results Poor to OK here as well.

Bought 4 5 Gal buckets, totalling 20 Gallons for $600 and Expected much better results for the price.

Followed directions to the letter and even purchaced the wand and nozzle from Rittenhouse as recommended.

I won't buy any more of that "Stuff", and will stick to products that actually work for lasting green and weed control.


My Opinion is 4 Thumbs Down.

Pete

[DUSTYCEDAR]

ouch 4 thumbs bummer

[NattyLawn]

Results Poor to OK here as well.

Bought 4 5 Gal buckets, totalling 20 Gallons for $600 and Expected much better results for the price.

Followed directions to the letter and even purchaced the wand and nozzle from Rittenhouse as recommended.

I won't buy any more of that "Stuff", and will stick to products that actually work for lasting green and weed control.


My Opinion is 4 Thumbs Down.

Pete

Sorry to hear that Pete. What product did you buy? The 5-0-3 or 14-0-5? Product consistency is not their strong point.

[DUSTYCEDAR]

Ouch again

[NattyLawn]

There's a company in Colorado that stopped buying from them for that exact reason. They started making it themselves. Let me see what I can do by the end of the season....

[heritage]

Sorry to hear that Pete. What product did you buy? The 5-0-3 or 14-0-5? Product consistency is not their strong point.


14-0-5 Natty.

Thanks.

Pete

[green_mark]

WOW! I seem to have some unhappy customers here. Keep in mind that I return all calls and if a problem exists I need to know about it as it is occurring and not 6 months after the fact.

Please call so I can understand what the problem is and try to remedy what has happened.

I also see some complaints about product consistency. We need to discuss this also as I do not see what the consistency issues are.

I am a sponsor on the site but removed the forum as very little activity was occurring. You will see my banner ad at the top as you page through on rotation.

My cell phone is 651-295-8388

[Prolawnservice]

looks like the POOF thread got removed as well, how long will this one last...... and Michael, look at almost all of the threads in this forum if your removing them because they are "off topic" :confused:

Mark,

I know you care, and its great that you offer support, but the product just didn't work very well, and the cost was high for the results. Trust me when I say, myself and others really wish it did work well, but it just doesn't. I challenge you to prove me wrong, make me a believer

[humble1]

Why do you feel it is necessary to state your political beliefs on your posts? Who cares?

So its okay to post your natural lawn care belief-

I see plenty of people who post other things including religiuos statments. Do you also say the same there.

[green_mark]

looks like the POOF thread got removed as well, how long will this one last...... and Michael, look at almost all of the threads in this forum if your removing them because they are "off topic" :confused:

Mark,

I know you care, and its great that you offer support, but the product just didn't work very well, and the cost was high for the results. Trust me when I say, myself and others really wish it did work well, but it just doesn't. I challenge you to prove me wrong, make me a believer

I cannot help if you do not call and go over the issues you have had. We have 1,000's of customers on our program here in Minnesota and many more than that in Canada.

I have been working this program since 1986 and have many customers still on the program that started with me then. Our lawns...over all...are in excellent shape. Yes we do have lawns that do not respond and what we do then is go out and evaluate the lawn and figure out why and treat for it.

I have very few clients who say they quit because of poor results.

Believe me when I say that when something bad occurs or what you thought was going to happen did not I want to hear about it right away.

Then we can work through it as the event is still occurring and work towards a solution.

I do not sell and abandon. Yes, this product is not as effective as an herbicide and does take additional care. We give our clients the attached documents when we start with the program so we all understand where we are and what to expect.

Read this over and give me a call. 651-295-8388 is my cell phone. I take calls until about 8:00pm and again at about 7:00am. I do this 7 days per week. If I do not answer I will return the call as soon as I am able.

Customer support and satisfaction is very important to me and the success of your business...then mine. In that order.

[heritage]

I cannot help if you do not call and go over the issues you have had. We have 1,000's of customers on our program here in Minnesota and many more than that in Canada.

I have been working this program since 1986 and have many customers still on the program that started with me then. Our lawns...over all...are in excellent shape. Yes we do have lawns that do not respond and what we do then is go out and evaluate the lawn and figure out why and treat for it.

I have very few clients who say they quit because of poor results.

Believe me when I say that when something bad occurs or what you thought was going to happen did not I want to hear about it right away.

Then we can work through it as the event is still occurring and work towards a solution.

I do not sell and abandon. Yes, this product is not as effective as an herbicide and does take additional care. We give our clients the attached documents when we start with the program so we all understand where we are and what to expect.

Read this over and give me a call. 651-295-8388 is my cell phone. I take calls until about 8:00pm and again at about 7:00am. I do this 7 days per week. If I do not answer I will return the call as soon as I am able.

Customer support and satisfaction is very important to me and the success of your business...then mine. In that order.


Talk IS Cheap sir.

I did everything to the letter and I have 25 Years in the field and I made ALL the applications myself.

If you are willing to back up your words, and also pay me 50% of my cost to you, I would be willing to talk and give you MY TIME as well.

In the meantime I won't buy your product again as it is all "BS Marketing" as I have seen, And I have taken the loss as well.

Terrable results.

Pete

[Prolawnservice]

I don't know Pete, that last post just may have been "off topic":nono: I'll be quite suprised if this thread is here much longer with all this off topic-ness:dizzy:.

Mark,
Seriously make me a believer, lets see some before and afters, i know you have afters but i don't recall ever seeing a good close up before that matches a good close up after. That would be a good start, lets see how the owner of the company makes the product work.

[green_mark]

I don't know Pete, that last post just may have been "off topic":nono: I'll be quite suprised if this thread is here much longer with all this off topic-ness:dizzy:.

Mark,
Seriously make me a believer, lets see some before and afters, i know you have afters but i don't recall ever seeing a good close up before that matches a good close up after. That would be a good start, lets see how the owner of the company makes the product work.

Here is some photos for a start.

As you can see we do not kill like a normal chemical product. It is slower and different. This is why we need to be in good communication as you are in the season. If problems exist I need photos and a phone call so we can assist and advise properly.

[dishboy]

Here is some photos for a start.

As you can see we do not kill like a normal chemical product. It is slower and different. This is why we need to be in good communication as you are in the season. If problems exist I need photos and a phone call so we can assist and advise properly.

Looks like they are the point of no return to me.

[mrkosar]

Being the devil's advocate here:

Those are the same photos I have seen for the past three years. Do you have new ones? More?

The large photos from far away I can't even tell what I'm supposed to be looking at.

I see some grass that has been browned by the product maybe?

Again, I want to state I love that your company is trying to come up with a solid selective natural weed control, but I am just not impressed. I also would like to be proved wrong though. I would love to see those type of results. I have talked with another owner that was doing organic lawn care for 10 years plus and he had the same poor results.

Can you PM 4-5 of your companies in Minnesota that use it so I can talk with them?

Thanks

[heritage]

I don't know Pete, that last post just may have been "off topic":nono: I'll be quite suprised if this thread is here much longer with all this off topic-ness:dizzy:.

Mark,
Seriously make me a believer, lets see some before and afters, i know you have afters but i don't recall ever seeing a good close up before that matches a good close up after. That would be a good start, lets see how the owner of the company makes the product work.

Hi Pro Lawn,

The topic is results. The results are VERY BAD.

I don't want my fellow Lawn Care Professionals to be BS tted, as I was.

I still have not heard back on a 50% refund to split the loss AND, I STILL would NEVER use this product again.

My Professional "Opinion" is Terrable Results for me. Anyways.

Pete

[heritage]

Hi Pro Lawn,

The topic is results. The results are VERY BAD.

I don't want my fellow Lawn Care Professionals to be BS tted, as I was.

I still have not heard back on a 50% refund to split the loss AND, I STILL would NEVER use this product again.

My Professional "Opinion" is Terrable Results for me. Anyways.

Pete

My last line ended "My Professional "Opinion" is Terrible Results for me.


I Did not type the word anyways, at the end of that sentence.

Where did it come from???

Someone is Manipulating my words, making me look like I have an Attitude, which I do not.

Shame someone can misuse their power on this site.

Pete

[HayBay]

Im confused.
You joking or not?

This better not be a San Miguel Hernadez Organic conspiracy again.

[heritage]

Im confused.
You joking or not?

This better not be a San Miguel Hernadez Organic conspiracy again.

Hay Bay.

I don't JOKE about Business and Money.

Reputation takes a long time to devolop, and mine became a bit tarnished with the inferior prouduct.

Pete

[NattyLawn]

Mark, I don't want to beat a dead horse here, but you stress communication, and that part is definitely lacking on your end. The people answering the phones don't know much at all about your products, and call backs from messages on your cell phone are not often returned. I seem to have had better results than some on here (and I believe livingsoils has had good results), but the customer service is lacking. I know you're a very busy guy, but the people answering the phones should know a little about the product.

[DUSTYCEDAR]

SO i see some results and some marketing info do we have any long term photos?

[Smallaxe]

Hay Bay.

I don't JOKE about Business and Money.

Reputation takes a long time to devolop, and mine became a bit tarnished with the inferior prouduct.

Pete

There you go!!!

Always , know what the buzz is b4 you sell it to the public.
2 much is chicanery in the business. ..."Oh , no, I'm not doing this for money!?!! I'm doing this to help your lawn."

The list of BS to the customer , continues to grow.

I think the Blue Ocean of the business is growing healthy turf for customers and being honest with them.
Of course, being Honest means, you need to know for yourself - what is real and what is the suckers' game.

When I make a failed claim I put things right, for free. Never let them regret trusting you...

[mdlwn1]

You guys are funny. Everything you need to know is in his response. Am I alone in reading between the lines? You guys really fall for this stuff? Of course it works! However, read the promotional stuff. Define "highly effective". Then, ask yourself, if this truly re invents the wheel, why hasnt it changed the ENTIRE industry?

The idea for this site is a good one. The reality is much different.

[green_mark]

Mark, I don't want to beat a dead horse here, but you stress communication, and that part is definitely lacking on your end. The people answering the phones don't know much at all about your products, and call backs from messages on your cell phone are not often returned. I seem to have had better results than some on here (and I believe livingsoils has had good results), but the customer service is lacking. I know you're a very busy guy, but the people answering the phones should know a little about the product.

The main phone number to reach me at is 651-295-8388 if you left a message on that I generally return it within minutes to a few hours.
If somehow I missed that I apologize.

The customer service staff on the main line are trained for residential customers who do not ask for the same detail you and other commercial companies require.

[green_mark]

SO i see some results and some marketing info do we have any long term photos?

These are mostly commercial properties we have maintained for many years.

The first one is showing roots at over 8" deep.

Let me know if you would like more.

[treegal1]

for me, hit and miss, SAG takes a beating.......

[whitneysegura]

I used the Green Gardian and I had pretty good results. My father swears on his life that it is the best, but I am not too sure about all that.