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AWJ Services
09-09-2006, 12:46 PM
This post kinda follows my post about the Under 20K Exc.

There was some good info but I have a few more questions.

I have narrowed it down too around a 10k machine or a 16k machine.

I will be doing normal stuff for these size machines ,but I will also start doing Septic tanks next year and I need a machine capable of this also.
The ground is hard red clay here and the machine needs some power.

I also will use it for digging stumps and about everything else you can think of.

I also will use it occasional too dig out against basement walls for sealing.

I think I need too stay with some sort of reduced radius tail and some sort of boom offset capabilities?

Bobcat ,Takeuchi,Komatsu,Cat,John Deere,Case and Kubota all have good dealers here.

I prefer Takeuchi and I also have rented several Komatsu's that seem to be good machines.
I am not against buying another brand.As usual I am looking for the most bang for the buck.
I will get good dealer support with any of these brands.

Is there any real advantage too stepping up too the 16 k machines?

The PC 50 Komatsu and the PC75UU-3 are a good example.

The Takeuchi TB153fr seems too strike a Happy medium.

I have a friend that purchased a Bobcat 435 and he does similar work as me.
The Bocat is a little weak in his words.He does alot of Septic work.

I will also have it equiped with a Hyd thumb and will use it too load dumpsters and light demo work.

Thanks again.

jazak
09-09-2006, 12:50 PM
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2005 Case CX47 EROPS, Yanmar 4TNE88 Diesel 36.5 HP Engine, Hydrostatic Transmission, 16" Rubber Tracks, Hydrostatic Drive, Bucket Width: 18" (4.5 Cu Ft), Blade Width: 76", 470hr.s. $56,000 PM me for phone ##

forestfireguy
09-09-2006, 01:53 PM
Go with a CAT 305 it has 0 tail swing and lots and lots of power, go with the hyd. thumb option if you can it is really handy.

Gravel Rat
09-09-2006, 02:56 PM
The septic tanks is going to be a big problem a 10,000-12,000lb machine isn't going to set them. A 16,000lb machine isn't going to beable to set them we use a 160 size machine or a crane truck to set concrete tanks.

I don't know how big the stumps you want to dig a 10,000lb machine can do it but will take alot of time.

Digging the clay will all depend on your bucket size sure a heavier machine will dig faster but the smaller machine will dig it but slower.

I would even look at a 12,000lb machine the extra 2000lbs makes a difference machine size.

AWJ Services
09-09-2006, 06:16 PM
The septic tanks is going to be a big problem a 10,000-12,000lb machine isn't going to set them.

The tank company usually sets them with there truck.
Sometimes they cannot access the area then you have too make other arrangments.

I don't know how big the stumps you want to dig a 10,000lb machine can do it but will take alot of time.

Most of my work is usually in peoples back yards that have a landscaped front yard.
So bringing a 30k excavator back there will never happen.
When they need there backyard cleared compact stuff is the only choose so time is on my side.
Most stumps are Pine and usually less than 20 inches in diameter.


Go with a CAT 305 it has 0 tail swing and lots and lots of power, go with the hyd. thumb option if you can it is really handy.


I personally have never runany Cat mini's.I will give it a try.



I actually just got home from digging a drainage ditch through a wet area in a guys back yard.
Rented a Komatsu PC35MR.
For an 8200 pound machine it was well balanced and had good power.
It was very wet were I was at so I spent some time with mud over the top of the tracks.
Machine had plenty of power too free itself.

I my call Komatsu and take a look at the PC50 also.

Boy is my Wife going too be mad if I come home with anything else.:hammerhead:

Gravel Rat
09-09-2006, 07:19 PM
So a 10,000 to 12,000lb machine would probably do the jobs you want to do.

If you are looking at Komatsu which are okay machines not the best but they are priced reasonably. The PC-50 would probably the smallest I would go its 11,000lbs. A PC-60 would probably a little on the large side for doing the tight quarters work.

In my are Komatsu has one of the best equipment support they exceed Cat by a long shot.

AWJ Services
09-09-2006, 08:20 PM
If you are looking at Komatsu which are okay machines not the best but they are priced reasonably.

In your opinion what are there negatives.

Gravel Rat
09-09-2006, 08:42 PM
The Komatsu machines are a little on the cheap side they are a decent machine but they have their quirks. If you buy a Komatsu you buy one brandnew then you know what you got its not beat to hell. The Komatsu machines don't have any major glaring faults if thats what your looking for. We did find the Komatsu engines are a little piggy on fuel the engine in the 158 would suck back fuel more than the Isuzu engine in the 150s.

My preference is Hitachi or Deere allot of the guys here are Cat lovers.

ksss
09-11-2006, 11:54 AM
I would demo a a TK 153. They hit that market right in the middle. Actually some of the specs are very comparable to the 17K machines namely bucket breakout and crowding force. I take out a lot of stumps. It is surprisingly easy. One stump was 8 feet across and I was able to free it, get it out of the hole. Only needed help loading it on a trailer.

AWJ Services
09-11-2006, 03:42 PM
would demo a a TK 153. They hit that market right in the middle. Actually some of the specs are very comparable to the 17K machines namely bucket breakout and crowding force. I take out a lot of stumps. It is surprisingly easy. One stump was 8 feet across and I was able to free it, get it out of the hole. Only needed help loading it on a trailer.

I really have been interested in that model for sure.

The PC35 I rented had an extended reach.

The rental company said that they ordered a standard arm but recieved this one instead and decided too keep it.
The added reach is realy nice.

ksss
09-11-2006, 04:06 PM
Being in Ga. you have a great chance of running the new 153. I don't think they have made it this far west yet or atleast no one around here has one yet. My only gripes with the older 53 model have been low track power and I would like a little faster cycle times, namely boom out. I would also like to see an increase in hyd flow.

Planet Landscaping
09-11-2006, 05:47 PM
Kubota 161-3 Or U45 Is what I reccomend. Great machines.:weightlifter:

AWJ Services
09-11-2006, 08:53 PM
Being in Ga. you have a great chance of running the new 153.

I spent an hour on the phone with my sells guy who dealership is I think the largest Takeuchi dealership and he says that they have never sold a 153 or have ever ordered one.
He says he only sold 2 53 machines ever.

They are strong on the 135 and 145 machines.

He feels the zero tailswing is over rated.

Of course he also said that he has very little knowledge of the new 153 and that it my be a better fit for my needs than a 145.

He also said he loses more sales to Kubota than any other Mini Ex manufacturer out there.


The good thing is he will bring me any machine I want and leave it for a couple of weeks if required.:)

Still shopping though.

I was kinda hoping that by stepping up too a little bigger machine than a 10 to 12 k machine would be a positive ,but the money difference is too great.


Thanks for the input.

Gravel Rat
09-12-2006, 07:44 PM
Kubota is a popular machine there isn't many Takeuchi dealers in Canada especially Western Canada so its rare to see any out here.

Komatsu on the other hand is like a bad rash that doesn't go away they are becoming more popular as the dealer support is good.

ksss
09-12-2006, 11:19 PM
That they have only sold two 53's is somewhat surprising, until the salesman says that zero tail is overrated. Obviously spoken by someone who has no idea what they are talking about. Takeuchi is not overly excited about zero tail as the only one that they sell in North America is the 153. Why that is I don't know. I can't say enough good things about the slide boom system. The only negative is the number of zerks. There are 4 TB53's within 20 miles of me. That is saying something being in the middle of Idaho. I would surely demo a 153. IHI also builds a quality excavator. I had one for 4 years, very smooth and very dependable. The guys in KY that bring that machine to the USA (compact excavator sales) are first quality.

Dirty Water
09-13-2006, 12:32 AM
Ksss, I looked a grey market IHI (Are they all grey) at a dealer here. It seemed very similar to the Hitachi's and Komatsu's of that era (Mid 90's), is there any reasion why I should consider IHI over Hitachi?

ksss
09-13-2006, 01:50 AM
Well there maybe a connection of sorts with IHI and Hitachi. I found a 120 IHI at Kitsap (I believe) it was a Hitachi with a different paint scheme. There are grey market IHI machines and the North American machines. I don't believe there is any connection to the mini excavators between the two brands. What I miss about the IHI is the control system which I think is more smooth than TK's. The machines are heavier built I believe than Hitachi's of similiar size. The engines are Izuzu. I was looking at buying a IHI NX80. They flew me to Etown, KY to tour the factory and run their machines. I ended up with a TK but a better financing deal and side to side boom is what sold me on the TK, but I still miss the controls of the IHI. They have every part for every machine they sell in Ky. It can be in your hands overnight. I don't always get that on order parts from companies with a much better dealer presence.

justfor$
09-13-2006, 06:37 PM
Well I have a PC-50uu2e. @11.5k it is heavy, and towing with anything less than a one ton wouldn't be too smart. It does amazing amounts of work for the $. It's a 96 and I paid 18,500 with a thumb. No it isn't as cush as most mainly because it is older but everything is stout, not a drop of any fluid from anywhere, and the yanmar motor runs like a top. As far as zero clearance, I say why have a mini if you can't, rotate, dig, or travel in any direction right up against anything. I use my offset all the time too. Parts aren't cheap but they are all available.

YardPro
09-13-2006, 08:15 PM
we rent mini's several times per year
we have used the bobcat 337 (11K) a lot and like it. we also use the 331 and it is pretty good..

they have a kubota the same size as the 331, but i don't know the nubmers.... it rocks.... it has a blade that will tilt to either side, and the hydros are really strong... also the machine is SOOOOO quiet.

Gravel Rat
09-13-2006, 09:20 PM
Kubota is a good machine their engines are good.

Halla machines are pretty much a rebranded Hitachi then their is Fiat Hitachi.

Dirty Water
09-13-2006, 09:49 PM
Well I have a PC-50uu2e. @11.5k it is heavy, and towing with anything less than a one ton wouldn't be too smart. It does amazing amounts of work for the $. It's a 96 and I paid 18,500 with a thumb. No it isn't as cush as most mainly because it is older but everything is stout, not a drop of any fluid from anywhere, and the yanmar motor runs like a top. As far as zero clearance, I say why have a mini if you can't, rotate, dig, or travel in any direction right up against anything. I use my offset all the time too. Parts aren't cheap but they are all available.

Where in the olympic peninsula are you? The guy down the street from us has a Komatsu PC-50...Would be a small world.

Planet Landscaping
09-13-2006, 10:39 PM
Demo the Kubotas, Thank me later:hammerhead:

RockSet N' Grade
09-14-2006, 11:02 AM
I run a Gehl 802 with an extended boom, counterweight and lots of attachments. It is a center pivot machine.
Everytime I dig a pool, ex out against a house, dig a truck well or have to work next to a fence I wish I had an off-set boom......If I was to get another machine to replace this one, I would look at the off-set boom as a real plus and it would be a high priority in choosing a new rig......The more I listen to Sir Kaiser (the CAT lover) , the more Takahoochi sounds like a good machine.

justfor$
09-14-2006, 12:08 PM
In Poulsbo Right by the Hood Canal Bridge.

Dirty Water
09-14-2006, 09:54 PM
In Poulsbo Right by the Hood Canal Bridge.

Ah, We go through there on occasion to hit up the ClearWater Casino. Last time I was there they were trenching and laying what looked like a drainline along side the road.

What is that?