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start2finish
09-13-2006, 08:20 PM
OK, I have some concerns about this, I have heard and also read about buying a diesel before the 07 restrictions are in effect.

One major concern is the availability of the new ultra-low sulfur fuel. Diesel is already sparadic in location. This splits the fuel into 3 different classifications.

High Sulfur (off road) 5000ppm sulfur

Low sulfur (current road fuel) 500 ppm sulfur

ULS (new fuel for 07 models) 50 ppm sulfur

any insight on the logistics of this? Are diesels going to be even more expensive to own and operate? Obviously short term is going to be more cost, but 5 or 10 year cost of ownership, at least that is the only way to justify a diesel anyway unless you just want to show off your loud truck.

We run the following

1999 f-350 7.3 psd (diesel) pickup
2000 f-250 7.3 psd (diesel) pickup
2001 k2500 duramax (diesel) pickup
1988 f-700 6.6 ford (diesel) 26000 gwvr dump
1998 c-7500 3216 cat (diesel) 33000 gvwr dump

2005 s-250 (diesel) off road
2006 Kx161 (diesel) off road
2005 L4630 (diesel) off road
2002 4600 (diesel) off road

gas equipment
blue bird bed edger
agri-fab straw blower
saws, auger, tillers

my gas usage is minimal we are married to diesel fuel. I am getting concerned.

lawnspecialties
09-13-2006, 08:37 PM
For starters, I believe the low sulfur diesel will eventually go away. You can run USD in older diesels but not the low in post-2006's. A lubricant will be added to compensate for the lesser lubricating properties of the ULS. You'll also have about a 1% power loss. As for cost, I'm afraid to think about it.

I bet you this though;, we'll see so many small diesels in cars and 1/2 ton trucks soon, it'll amaze you. With the science in cleaner burning diesels and diesel's better efficiency, it's only a matter of time. Approximately half of all vehicle sales in Europe right now are diesels. :)

all ferris
09-13-2006, 08:57 PM
1% lower power = less MPG
and that makes me 100% MAD:angry:

Mike33
09-13-2006, 10:02 PM
I had a thread on this issue back in july you can search it and get some valueable information. I dont feel like typing a lot tonight but this is the reason i bought a 06 instead of a 07.
Mike

Earth and Turf
09-14-2006, 08:50 AM
I read an article in a government magazine. In october all fuel stations will be required to begin switching to the new fuel so by the end of November that will be the only diesel available. That way when the new trucks come out in late Dec. early Jan. everyone will have the new stuff. They won't have 3 grades of diesel it will still be 2 on and off road.

Travis Followell
09-15-2006, 06:50 PM
Will the off road fuel stay the same or will it have less sulfur also?

elmo1537
09-15-2006, 11:43 PM
one solution to this whole problem. run vegetable oil they blow away emissions as it is. and you wont be funding a unnamed country in building the next nuclear bomb when you are filling up at the gas station. It has been said that it only cost between .50cent and 1 dollar to make it yourself.

Earth and Turf
09-16-2006, 08:06 AM
From what I understand the off road will also be low sulfer. I think this is so they can make it the same. Now when the Semi tanker picks up diesel at the loading rack they mix the dye with the fuel for off road. So same fuel it is just how it is sold.

qualitylawnmanagement
09-16-2006, 10:49 AM
Can you run veggie oil in the 2007 engines made after 1/1/07? If so it only cost 70cents a gallon here.

lawnmaniac883
09-16-2006, 12:50 PM
Can you run veggie oil in the 2007 engines made after 1/1/07? If so it only cost 70cents a gallon here.


Still would need to convert to a heated tank and would still need to start up/shut down running diesel fuel.

ULSD is actually <15ppm and has been making its way through the pipelines and to the pumps for quite a few months now. I bet that 90% of stations that sell diesel have diesel with sulfur that is around 30ppm by now. It takes time to get all the old stuff out and new stuff in ya know? Lubriticity can be restored by running a diesel fuel additive, I use and have had good results with PowerService in the silver bottle. Use about 1/3 bottle per fillup and a bottle costs 6 bucks at autozone.

elmo1537
09-16-2006, 09:41 PM
there are two type of veggie oil biodiesel and straight vegetable oil biodiesel does not need a separate tank and you can run it just like petroleum diesel but straight veggie oil needs a separate tank and you have to start and shut down on petroleum diesel.

Mike33
09-17-2006, 11:16 AM
there are two type of veggie oil biodiesel and straight vegetable oil biodiesel does not need a separate tank and you can run it just like petroleum diesel but straight veggie oil needs a separate tank and you have to start and shut down on petroleum diesel.
Are you actually serious?
Mike

elmo1537
09-17-2006, 01:35 PM
yes i am very serious check it out online. We are in the process of setting up a facility to make biodiesel to run all of our equiptment on.

HayBay
09-17-2006, 01:46 PM
I would love some pictures of that setup.
Sounds great.

elmo1537
09-17-2006, 01:49 PM
http://bi/odiesel.infopop.cc/groupee
http://www.biodieselpictures.com
Here are a few websites to get you started just google biodiesel or wvo (waste vegetable oil) and you will be amazed with what you come up with

start2finish
09-17-2006, 02:08 PM
what is the cost per gallon for biodiesel?

assuming you purchase all equipment for making, and just gallon per gallon cost.

elmo1537
09-17-2006, 02:20 PM
the prices can change but based on the cost of materials (methanonl and lye) and how bad you oil is (the worse the oil the more materials you use) you can usually get away with less that one dollar a gallon. I figure with the oil i will be using it will cost me about .55 to .60 cents per gallon that is processed, and sitting in the tank of my f350

start2finish
09-17-2006, 03:34 PM
is that b100 in your tank?

lafd04
09-17-2006, 08:29 PM
The new oil that will be required for the new fuel is going to be expensive upwards of AT LEAST 5 bucks a quart, if not more.

elmo1537
09-18-2006, 12:08 AM
The new oil that will be required for the new fuel is going to be expensive upwards of AT LEAST 5 bucks a quart, if not more.

What new oil are you talking about?

elmo1537
09-18-2006, 12:11 AM
is that b100 in your tank?

When I actually finish my processor it will be b100 in my tank until about the middle of october then i am going to have to start mixing it with kerosene or something of the sort to reduce the cold filter plug point to a usuable limit for winter time. This will make the biodiesel more expensive but still substantially less than petro diesel.