Does anyone tow a 10k-12k mini-x with there F-250 6.0L

[concealedGSXR]

I am looking into buying a Kubota KX121 or KX161. I would like to get the biggest mini-x available but I want to make sure I can tow it. I still have to buy a trailer, so I know that can make a difference, but what are your thoughts. Who has experience with this and what do you guys recommend.

Thanks in advance...Rob B

[Travel'n Trees]

I know my 2500 hd duramax or my wifes escalade or my 3500 with 454 will pull at highway speeds better than my 550 powerjoke.

[concealedGSXR]

Really, thats funny because I have an 05 Chevy Kodiak 4500 with the Duramax, that can't get out of its on way. I tow an 8,000 lb JD skid steer with it and my truck walks all over it. I have had nothing but problems with the Duramax and I only have 12,000 miles on it. I was tyring to save a little money over the Ford, but it turned out to be a big mistake. But hey, that's just my opinion.

[Travel'n Trees]

At least they warrantied it! FORD???? There are lemons in every made but some companies have way more than others, alot due to cutting corners. I have a John Deere 270 and have pulled it behind 2500 hd with 3000 lbs in the bed and ran 80 no problem, 550 runs struggles to run 65 empty for any amount of time because of EGT's. And everyones knows Gm's are more expensive and don't have as many discounts, I have only put 4000 miles on mine and it looks tough but haven't touched it since Feburary, I have put 40 k on my duramax instead. And the help drives my lowered dually verses the 550 it cost to much to use.

[Dirty Water]

Back to the issue at hand.

I personally believe that a 12k excavator on a small truck is asking for trouble with the DOT.

[jazak]

I know my 2500 hd duramax or my wifes escalade or my 3500 with 454 will pull at highway speeds better than my 550 powerjoke.


T&T you're SOOO full of sh!t!?!:dizzy: :hammerhead: :dizzy: No one likes on here because you have a BIG mouth and can't back ANYTHING up. You and I both know why you aren't on AS anymore. I'll take my 04 F-550 against your 2500 or 3500 ANY day and kick you @ss.:hammerhead: :weightlifter:

About the excavator 12K is too much for a F-250; you could do it just go real slow and take the back roads as DOT WILL stop you. The most I've ever put behind a F-250 PSD is like a 8K chipper and that was about as much as I ever want to pull with a F-250 PSD. You want to pull 12K easy go get a F-450 PSD or F-550 PSD or take a look @ GM's 4500 & 5500, also maybe take a look at Dodge's 4500 & 5500 when they come out.

[concealedGSXR]

Thanks for the replies. I wasn't trying to start an arguement, just stating that I haven't had much luck with the 4500. I honestly believe the truck is to heavy to start with and the Chevy was $10,000 less then a similarily equipped F-450. I am a Ford guy, but I am also in business to make money. Dollar for dollar at the time, I couldn't justify spending the extra money. I am just looking at my options, I still have both so I know I could tow it with the 4500, but would prefer to tow it with the F-250.

Thanks again...Rob B

[Gravel Rat]

I wouldn't try pull a 161 Kubota behind a 3/4 ton its way too heavy you need minimum F-450. If your looking for something cheap to move the machine around try find a old 5 ton truck build a ramp body for it and carry the machine. You are going to need a CDL to move the machine on a trailer because a 161 is close to 12,000lbs you will need a 16,000lb gvw trailer to move it legally.

Its better to be safe than sorry.

[Scag48]

An F550 is the smallest truck I'd use to pull a 12K excavator.

[lamarbur]

Thanks for the replies. I wasn't trying to start an arguement, just stating that I haven't had much luck with the 4500. I honestly believe the truck is to heavy to start with and the Chevy was $10,000 less then a similarily equipped F-450. I am a Ford guy, but I am also in business to make money. Dollar for dollar at the time, I couldn't justify spending the extra money. I am just looking at my options, I still have both so I know I could tow it with the 4500, but would prefer to tow it with the F-250.

Thanks again...Rob B
I had an 01 Dodge w/HO diesel. I have a 12,000gvw trailer and load a Kubota L 48 TLB, which in itself is 8,000 and the trailer is 3100. I go short distances, and have to be extra careful for stopping... The engine has the power and we have some pretty serious hills at 27% grades.. Pulling great, stopping,, big problem and headache. Today I looked at an 06 leftover, HO Dodge with a 48re automatic trans,,,, The 01 has the 6sp manual... THe 06 has 14 inch disc compared to the 01's 12,,, The only concern I have is the automatic trans.

[Gravel Rat]

It still isn't worth it to try haul a 12,000lb mini with a P/U truck. H*ll 90% of the mini's heavier than 6000lbs are pulled with a 5 ton to a tandem axle dump. It is very rare a excavation contractor or landscaper trys to pull a heavier mini ex with a P/U truck.

Pick up trucks were NEVER designed and NEVER will be a truck tractor. If you really think you will be able to gross combine your pick up to the max everday and think its going to last better get your head examined.

If the DOT ever catches you trying to pull a heavy trailer with a excavator on it with a P/U truck you would be on the side of the road with a huge fine.

Get a medium duty dump or a tandem with a proper sized trailer or have somebody else haul your machine around with the right sized truck.

Maybe when your stupidity gets you in a accident and you end up killing a innocent familly because you crashed into their car you guys might learn a lesson.

[TriCountyLawn]

Smallest I would go would be with a 1 ton truck with a gooseneck equipment hauler that has very effective brakes. And even then I would take it slow and run back roads.

[rutwad]

and we have some pretty serious hills at 27% grades...

sounds scarry!

[all ferris]

All you guy's that won't pull 12k with a 3/4 ton diesel are Sally's. I put a T200 (8000#'s) and a 4000# pallet of wallstone/flagstone on a 14k trailer that weighs in at 3000#. All this on a 2500hd duramax and it pulls it great. You do the Math.

[Dirty Water]

All you guy's that won't pull 12k with a 3/4 ton diesel are Sally's. I put a T200 (8000#'s) and a 4000# pallet of wallstone/flagstone on a 14k trailer that weighs in at 3000#. All this on a 2500hd duramax and it pulls it great. You do the Math.

What math? The math on you being overweight, and illegal?

I'm sure it pulls fine. Its stopping I'm worried about.

WA state DOT would be on you like flies on stink.

[Total.Lawn.Care]

I have pulled a 8K Skid Steer on a 4K trailer with our Excursion with 6.0 PSD. It is a heaver (weight wise truck) than the F-250 due to the extra seats, glass, roof, etc. No problems.

[Dirty Water]

I have pulled a 8K Skid Steer on a 4K trailer with our Excursion with 6.0 PSD. It is a heaver (weight wise truck) than the F-250 due to the extra seats, glass, roof, etc. No problems.

A 161 on a adequate trailer will weigh in at around 16,000lbs...Well into CDL territory.

[Gravel Rat]

If the DOT catches you here with a grossly overloaded truck and trailer you have some choices. If your a business you can loose your business license you will get a decent fine. You have to hire a tow truck to tow you to a impound yard. Once the DOT starts going through your truck it will have to be inspected and passed by a certified shop before you can put the truck back on the road.

You start getting snarly to the DOT your just asking for troubles once they are done with you, you could be couple grand poorer and out of business if you caused a accident you may be spending time in jail and might aswell sell your house because your insurance is null and void.

I can't beleive some people are so dumb they are overloading their P/U truck pulling a trailer that is way overloaded. Come on get some frigging brains your trusting couple small 12 volt wires to keep the brakes working on your trailer. If you loose power to the trailer there is no hope in **** your going to stop.

The reason why I'am getting on my soap box is I'am a commercial driver and seeing idiots doing things with P/U trucks gives commercial drivers a bad rap. Get the proper sized truck and quit fooling around your risking your life and everybody that is on the road with you. No offence but dummys that think its okay to pull a 161 Kubota sized machine behind a 3/4 ton P/U should loose their drivers license and never get it back.

[Travel'n Trees]

Sorry jaz but you know You have your experiences and I have mine, I would be a fool not to be fully documented. And when it comes to cutting the mustard, Ford has always let me down.

[Travel'n Trees]

Also I don't work for FORD, but when I have to work a half of year for free because FORD is doesn't back their product, you might get a little fired up.

[Travel'n Trees]

Sorry jaz but you know You have your experiences and I have mine, I would be a fool not to be fully documented. And when it comes to cutting the mustard, Ford has always let me down.

[Mike33]

To much weight for a 3/4 ton. If your going to own equiptment as such you need to bite the bullet and have something that will pull it safe and legal. Dot could actually find things wrong with a new truck driven 2 miles off of the lot new. Dont piss them off they are always right. I keep my things up to snuff and last year when i got pulled over for a random check the cop told me i havent pulled you over in a while but its your turn to pay the state of Md. some money. On the other hand dot is out there protecting the public, when my wife pulled in last night with my 10 month old grandson at least she made it safe that some jackass pulling a large piece of equiptment with a toy truck didnt run them over due to not enough brake to stop them. I live here in the mountain area in coal country and there has been a lot of deaths from run away trucks killing innocent people. It has really got better, wonder why? I lot of fault was to these companies running worn out junk endangering there drivers and bystanders. Yes i think your a little heavy for that truck there has been some good posts here of what truck to use.
Mike

[Fordsuvparts]

I would upgrade to a larger truck, what happens when you really have to stop something that heavy in an emergency with that light a truck, you and someone else will end up hurt reaaly bad or worse dead.

Travel'n Trees please sell your F-550 and stop being such a pu$$y a$$ crybaby every time some post about anything to do with pulling a trailer or heavy trucks you are crying about the same d@mn thing. Suck it up and get on with your life. I'm sorry ford screwed you because you abused your truck and then thought that they should fix it.
I think i will start a poll to find out how many lawnsite menbers think that you should be banned from posting on these topics. You never have advice just negative coments about how hard done-by you are that ford wouldn't warranty your repairs

[muddstopper]

Ford does this, chevy does that, and dodge does something else. blah, blah blah. Aint none of you whiners got enough sense to check out the gear ratios to see why one paticular truck will out pull the other. I own, dodges, chevys and fords, I have a old 95 chevy with the 6.5 I will put up against most of the powerstrokes/duramaxs/cummings on the road simply because its geared low for pulling and the hiway shiney fords/chevy/dodges are geared for fuel milage. Get a grip and quit whineing. Lots of difference in 4:10's and 4:88 pulling gears and the 3:73's and 3:56 mileage gears in some of the newer trucks.

[Travel'n Trees]

I did the switch didn't ave the money for the gm so I got a quote heavier duty truck, mind you there was a 2500hd dually 2001-2002 that is what I have the difference being in the springs which I had changed there are alot laws I don't have to worry about because of my Gvw, yes I am selling the 550 it but it cost me so much money, I am digging out of that hole. I hate it to happen to anyone else. The facts are facts, I wish people like you would not have hid the facts, like on the diesel stop and other sites but things have changed, I am sorry but a F-550 dump, 4x4, crew cab, should be able to haul dirt, rock, mulch, sand, coal. Gm says no problem even with the 2500.

[Dirt Digger2]

i pull a Takeuchi TL130...trailer and machine weigh in at 11,000 pounds. 9 times out of 10 I pull it with a 350 dump truck, but every now and again i'll hitch it to a 1997 F250 4x4 diesel. I don't like pulling that much weight with that light of a truck. You have to set the trailer brakes a lot harder then you do with a dual tire truck. Also on stop signs at inclines i turn the back tires sometimes, if its wet i might even need to kick it in 4wheel.

[start2finish]

We own a KX191-3S, we pull it with our c7500 or F700 when possible this should make sense to everyone. But regularly we pull it with a F-250 or F-350 (2000 and 1999 both 7.3 PSD).
It is on a gooseneck trailer, I'm not sure I would like to pull it behind a smaller truck with a tag-along.

My F-250 and F350 are registered at 26,000 lbs

I have hauled a load from NC to Kansas weighing in at 24900lbs and did not have any problems with DOT, we stopped at all scales and they verified that we paid the fees for weight hauled. As for what type of license required it never came up because I have a Class A CDL, but they never asked for my medical card and this is always asked for when I am driving a larger truck. Maybe conicidence.

Now I am not going to tell you that the F-250 is the best choice for this machine, it is a load on the suspension as well as the driveline, but can be done safely at highway speeds with care. Stopping is not a big deal as long as your braking systems on truck and trailer are in good order, be careful.

I assume that you need a method to move it around to build your business, if you pull it everyday you will wear out your truck, but that is why you bought it.

F-250 7700lbs avg.
26ft gooseneck 4400lbs.
kx161 11,532 lbs

total 23,632 lbs

8900 lbs gvwr of truck f-250 our f-350 is 11,500, and yes the dual tires make a difference
140000 lbs gvwr of trailer
total 22,800 lbs

overage 832 lbs plus tools and occupants of vehicle. (vehicles usually have 10-15% saftey factor added) so the engineers intended it to be capable of2,280 extra load . this has always been irrelevant to us because we have never seen it enforced. And we will continue to ignore it until we are cited.

[concealedGSXR]

I appreciate everyone's responses. I neglected to inform everyone that I also own a Chevy Kodiak 4500 with the Duramax, of which I know won't have a problem as far as GVWR is. I like my Superduty much better though and was just curious if I was in a crunch and I needed to move the machine with my F-250, I would be able to.

[murray83]

best thing is to ask your local DOT if they approve or disapprove since they would be the one pulling you over,different states and provinces each have different laws so its best to get your info from the horses mouth.

i've seen dumb ass landscapers pulling loads that as gravel rat stated,should loose their license forever since they don't know any better or are just plain lazy,a case 450 dozer behind a 250 for example or hauling a pc78 komatsu excavator behind a beat up 3500 i've seen more but you don't have the bandwith to support it.there is no place on the roads for simple headed f**ktards like these every time i see it i call the cops and wish the fine is as much as the buisness is worth.

you have the proper truck to haul it with honestly i just would not risk it with the superduty.

[Scag48]

If you guys think pulling 16K (trailer+machine) behind a 3/4 ton truck is safe and/or legal you're in for a bigger hurt down the road (pun intended) than our words on here can ever give to you. Have fun getting huge fines or killing someone due to your inability to follow laws.

[mrusk]

I have a 05 dodge 3/4 ton cummins work truck.

I tow a cat 246b on a 18 ft trailer. Machine weights around 7400 with bucket and forks, and trailer weights 2800. I am towing right over 10k. Its completely legal, however i would not want to tow anymore weight then that. Yea it drives fine and brakes fine. But if anyone ever cuts me off or anything, it could get hairy real fast.

Always play it safe.

[Mike33]

If you guys think pulling 16K (trailer+machine) behind a 3/4 ton truck is safe and/or legal you're in for a bigger hurt down the road (pun intended) than our words on here can ever give to you. Have fun getting huge fines or killing someone due to your inability to follow laws.
Couldnt agree with you more. I couldnt imagine all that weight behind my truck, and ill never find out.
Mike

[lawnboyblake]

A guy that lives here by me has an excavating company and has a reg cab 2 or 350 4x4 powerstroke. He pulls his D4 on a deckover gooseneck trailer. Pretty crazy and it's definately workin hard with that thing on there...

[murray83]

A D4?:confused: sorry man,i'd be calling the cops and DOT on him.

[Gravel Rat]

I think some of these people should experience a scare or two decending some steep grades with switch back corners. Places where you step on your brakes and they don't do anything. The harder you step on them hotter they get and farther the pedal goes to the floor.

When your overheat your brakes so bad they catch fire. Or where you can't control your truck it goes off the road and your killed instantly when it slams into the rock bank.

With my F-450 grossing 15,000lbs its a little nerve wracking decending some of the steep residential driveways even in first gear the truck decends them like in neutral.

When I had F-350 trucks grossing 13,000lbs I decended the 10% grades on the highway in 2nd gear (4spd). Used to try keep my speed under 30-40km/h (19-25mph).

I had a few scares in the 14 years or so trucking you learn quick overloading your truck grossly is stupid. I rarely pull trailers because you never can trust trailer brakes all it takes is a wire to break and you have no brakes on the trailer. The only trailer I will pull is on air or vacuum any trailer with electric brakes CAN NOT be trusted.

[mak landscape]

i have towed my 8000 lb excavator with my gmc 2500 hd and it was pushing it. but with the duramax and trailer brakes i was ok around town. wouldn't take it on the highway. i have a bobcat 331e with and extend stick and i love it. reaches as far a 12000lb machine. i believe kubota makes an extend stick check it out.

[mverick]

I've towed a 8000lb takeuchi on my dump trailer. total around 12,000lb with my 1/2ton chevy 350 a lot.

Even had 10 ton of rock put on it and towed it to a job. Accident I won't do again. It didn't have a problem but it was all flat land. And, yea. 20,000lb plus a 4000lb trailer..

But, Legal it isn't.

How about what is LEGAL to tow in your state.

That is what I want to do.

[mike lane lawn care]

what year is your F-250? i know that the 2008 2500HD's are rated to pull 12,500 lbs with the gas engine, and i think 14k with the diesel.

[tnmtn]

i tow 13000# regularly with a 3500 duramax/allison. haven't had any troubles yet. pulling isn't a problem at all. stops pretty well with good trailer brakes. the tow/haul mode on the allison auto is amazing. going down grades(and we have a few in east tn.) i hardly use the brakes. i definitly wouldn't want to tow this without at least a dually. whenever i can make up my mind and decide on a bigger truck i'll start towing with it.
good luck,

[stuvecorp]

There is a couple guys that pull their TLB's around with pickup and goosenecks, I never thought it looked scary to me. I have moved 10,000 pound mini x's behind our 450 and 350, it's heavy.

[Sunscaper]

I sometimes tow my skid steer and attachments with my F-250 diesel. total trailer weight is around 10k. It does it just fine. I can't see where another ton would be a big problem. Be sure your trailer brakes work. I imagine that if you needed to move it in town you'd be just fine.

[TXNSLighting]

250's can handle 12-15k just fine.