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BobCat#1
10-02-2006, 05:52 PM
to put out the fertilizer with weed control,fall or spring?Thanks

gsxr1100
10-02-2006, 06:21 PM
depends on what you want to get rid off; POA, crabgrass, normal weeds....

BobCat#1
10-02-2006, 06:27 PM
and normal weeds and clover

gsxr1100
10-02-2006, 06:50 PM
I am in MA and you are in NC but I will try to help.

Clover is anytime. I have used Momentum FX2 (gran) and worked very nice. A liquid will do better; That is all I use. Drive 75 works great, Confront (but new regs is a no-no), Dimension will, Elimanate will and many others.

Same with other weeds Momentim FX2 is nice and works very well. I would not use them in weather over 85 F though. Burns.

http://www.weedalert.com/ is a good site. Any 2-4-d will kill weeds etc. Clover is a pain but so far momentum FX killed 95% of it. Just some spot spraying now.

BobCat#1
10-02-2006, 06:52 PM
fertilizer with weed control,granuler type work?

gsxr1100
10-02-2006, 06:55 PM
fertilizer with weed control,granuler type work?

Lesco - Momentum FX2. Like $40 for a 50 LB bag. Does 12K sq/ft. I think it is like 3.4 LB per 1,000 feet. That I feel is your best bet. It is like 20-0-11?

BobCat#1
10-02-2006, 07:10 PM
is what my lawn takes

lawnmaniac883
10-02-2006, 07:25 PM
Best way to actually get rid of weeds and such is to call a professional out. Not trugreenchemlawn, an actual professional. There should be a few in your area, look them up in your phone book.

Although you may think you are comming out ahead applying your own fert and weed control you could just be wasting money. Professional applications are not all that pricey and the best part is you dont have to worry about the right time or rate or product to apply. I know, I sound like a salesman.



If you are dead set on applying your own try posting your question in the fertilizer/pesticide/herbicide area of this site.

BobCat#1
10-02-2006, 07:58 PM
lazy man or rich man's way to do it,i think:laugh:

stumper1620
10-02-2006, 08:06 PM
lazy man or rich man's way to do it,i think:laugh:
Not if you believe 10-10-10 is what your lawn takes. Have you had a soil test done to tell you that? I seriously doubt you need all that P in your soil. Most all lawns dont. Over use of P is what is going to get it banned from fert.
That is well on its way to being a regulation already.
I agree, get a pro to test your soil and get you on a proper program.

BobCat#1
10-02-2006, 08:23 PM
I have had a soil test and my ag extesion agent told me thats the fert i needed.

gsxr1100
10-03-2006, 06:10 AM
Not if you believe 10-10-10 is what your lawn takes. Have you had a soil test done to tell you that? I seriously doubt you need all that P in your soil. Most all lawns dont. Over use of P is what is going to get it banned from fert.
That is well on its way to being a regulation already.
I agree, get a pro to test your soil and get you on a proper program.

no 10-10-10!!!!:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

That is the answer for everything! That are mowing height!

turf_toes
10-04-2006, 01:20 PM
If you want my opinion, the answer is never.

Weed and feed products are not the best way to go. If you need a week killer, get a stand alone product. If you need fertilizer, get a stand alone product.

Actually, the problem with weed and feed is that it really is not timed correctly.

The best way to kill weeds is when they are actively growing. To do that, you want to fertilize the lawn days or a week before you apply weed killer. Weed & Feed tries to kill the weed before it has been able to absorb much of the fertilizer.

If you ask me, weed & feed is a great marketing ploy for the big lawn care companies. But it is not the best way to handle weeds in your lawn.

dcgreenspro
10-04-2006, 01:32 PM
If you want my opinion, the answer is never.

Weed and feed products are not the best way to go. If you need a week killer, get a stand alone product. If you need fertilizer, get a stand alone product.

Actually, the problem with weed and feed is that it really is not timed correctly.

The best way to kill weeds is when they are actively growing. To do that, you want to fertilize the lawn days or a week before you apply weed killer. Weed & Feed tries to kill the weed before it has been able to absorb much of the fertilizer.

If you ask me, weed & feed is a great marketing ploy for the big lawn care companies. But it is not the best way to handle weeds in your lawn.

this is 100% accurate. Id the weed and spot spray it if it is still growing.

nate1422
10-04-2006, 02:31 PM
Not to hijack but what if timing would be good for both, would the control be that bad with W&F. I have a 1 acre lot that has a lot of plantain and clover that is growing like crazy and starting to overun things. I was thinking to apply a weed and feed because I need a fertilizer treatment now and weed killer. I have a 2 gallon pump sprayer or I could get the ortho hose end and apply Trimec with that. The problem is, the pump, I am familiar with but it would take forever, the hose end, I am not familiar with as far as walking speed so it could be futile. I think for some homeowners like myself, it is convenience and available application equipment. Once this is under control, it will be spot treatments but this initial overrun, could I still get good control?

gsxr1100
10-04-2006, 05:53 PM
If you want my opinion, the answer is never.

Weed and feed products are not the best way to go. If you need a week killer, get a stand alone product. If you need fertilizer, get a stand alone product.

Actually, the problem with weed and feed is that it really is not timed correctly.

The best way to kill weeds is when they are actively growing. To do that, you want to fertilize the lawn days or a week before you apply weed killer. Weed & Feed tries to kill the weed before it has been able to absorb much of the fertilizer.

If you ask me, weed & feed is a great marketing ploy for the big lawn care companies. But it is not the best way to handle weeds in your lawn.

I agree but I stated before the guy wants gran, not liq...So weed/feed is the best bet. Plus timing is the thing that makes it work.

gsxr1100
10-04-2006, 05:55 PM
Not to hijack but what if timing would be good for both, would the control be that bad with W&F. I have a 1 acre lot that has a lot of plantain and clover that is growing like crazy and starting to overun things. I was thinking to apply a weed and feed because I need a fertilizer treatment now and weed killer. I have a 2 gallon pump sprayer or I could get the ortho hose end and apply Trimec with that. The problem is, the pump, I am familiar with but it would take forever, the hose end, I am not familiar with as far as walking speed so it could be futile. I think for some homeowners like myself, it is convenience and available application equipment. Once this is under control, it will be spot treatments but this initial overrun, could I still get good control?

Clover use Momentum FX2 in gran form. You will need severla bags but in your case it is quicker and easier to get rid of the clower and plantain.

Liquid is less money per ai, but you will be there forever with a 2 gal sprayer.

nate1422
10-04-2006, 06:54 PM
Thanks for the info, you saved me a boatload of backpain.

gsxr1100
10-04-2006, 07:42 PM
Here is what Momentum FX2 (gran form) did in 6 days. Pretty easy to tell what was treat and not......

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/7425/grassweedfeedmomentumpt5.jpg

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/2679/grassweedfeedmomentum2yg7.jpg

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/214/grassweedfeedmomentum1qp1.jpg

BobCat#1
10-04-2006, 08:53 PM
u buy momentem at?

lawnmaniac883
10-10-2006, 08:44 PM
Lesco, but you might need to be licensed to apply it, not sure about that part though.

stumper1620
10-10-2006, 08:52 PM
Lesco, but you might need to be licensed to apply it, not sure about that part though.
no need if he is the homeowner.

BobCat#1
10-10-2006, 09:13 PM
Lesco?I dont live near one.Thanks