Illegal Hired Help

[Gemini1971]

OMG.. I could not help but share this one... LOL!!!!!!!!! I have nothing against mexican workers. Some of the hardest working people I know.. It's those people that hire the illegal ones and then low ball jobs that get under my skin...

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>I hired a Mexican to help my bottom line.
>He lost a few toes on a string trimmer line.
>The shoes he wore were not the steel toed kind.
>He wanted me to pay and I said have a nice day.
>I fired him on the spot and sent him on his way.
>A few weeks went by and things seemed just fine.
>That was until I was arrested, jailed, and fined.
>The Mexican I had hired was the illegal kind.
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>-Anonymous

[smarino21]

Did he show you any papers at all? If they give you a social sec # and address that is proof there legal.

[Prestige-Lawncare]

Either way ... I like the poem :laugh:

[YardPro]

total BS..

a string trimmer line will not take off toes with bare feet, much less with any kind of shoes on....

also if you were not willing to pay for an injury that occured to an employee while they were working for you then you deserve to go to jail. It is your responsibility to make sure they are adequately dressed for work.

[Beau Rivage]

I'm almost positive it was meant that he went to jail for hiring an illegal and not for refusing payment...also...the entire thing is nothing more than a joke.

[LONEMAN]

Did he show you any papers at all? If they give you a social sec # and address that is proof there legal.

How is a soc. sec. nbr and address proof?

[huh]

How is a soc. sec. nbr and address proof?

a social security card is proof of the legal right of someone to work in the USA after they show that you cannot legally question them further about being "legal"

[Surf'n'Turf]

What is interesting to note is that if you are an illeagal alien working in Mexico, both you and your employer face harsh fines and jail time. Have you heard of anyone doing time here for hiring them? Happened to be watching a political debate last night and one of the guys threw out a statement, not sure if it is true or false, that claimed there are 4000 illeagals crossing the border in Arizona........EVERY DAY! Hello? Homeland Security....anybody home?

[Beau Rivage]

Foreigners can't even own lake front property in Mexico...and no, nobody's home at the homeland security office...of course no administration has ever been home when it comes to security at the borders. The tri-lateralists will have their way in the end.:( This talkspayup...the rest of us are expendable.

[mslawn]

Did he show you any papers at all? If they give you a social sec # and address that is proof there legal.

Total BS!!
Have you ever heard of an I-9 employment eligibility verification?
You are suppose to have the employee fill it out at time of hire and verify the documents he provides.

[huh]

Total BS!!
Have you ever heard of an I-9 employment eligibility verification?
You are suppose to have the employee fill it out at time of hire and verify the documents he provides.


by "give you a SS and an address" he means fill out the paperwork.....if they do that then you have to take their word for it....end of story :)

[mslawn]

a social security card is proof of the legal right of someone to work in the USA after they show that you cannot legally question them further about being "legal"

by "give you a SS and an address" he means fill out the paperwork.....if they do that then you have to take their word for it....end of story :)
You are not giving out correct info.
You have to look at the original documents they provide, you do not "take their word for it".
They cannot just give a SS and address, they and yourself (employer) have to complete an I-9 to verify this. It is the employers responsibility.
ss cards do not establish Identity, he also has to have a valid drivers license or some other form of acceptable ID. You have to physically look at them both. End of story!

[huh]

You are not giving out correct info.
You have to look at the original documents they provide, you do not "take their word for it".
They cannot just give a SS and address, they and yourself (employer) have to complete an I-9 to verify this. It is the employers responsibility.
ss cards do not establish Identity, he also has to have a valid drivers license or some other form of acceptable ID. You have to physically look at them both. End of story!

dude you have no clue how this works do you.....illegals HAVE SS cards and licenses and addresses.....they buy them at the "pulga" fleamarket

then they show them to you and that is all there is to it.....and be for real for a second......even if they did not actually show them to you they will NEVER be around to say they did not to prove you wrong to the feds.....even if the feds picked them up right at your shop and they told the feds you never actually saw the cards.....they will NEVER show up at the court date to actually testify to this.....unless the court is in Mexico

so just as i said before when they whip out a SS card and a license that you are 99% sure is fake there is NOTHING that can be done by you to prove it is fake.....and even when you turn the info in to the IRS and the IRS sends a letter saying that SS # is fake it will say right on the letter "YOU CAN NOT FIRE THEM FOR THIS"

so it is simple....hire ones that have fake cards or hire ones and have them make it up and when the feds come in 10 years to question everyone they will be long gone to Mexico and you answer the feds with "huh"

and then you ask the feds how you are suppost to verify what they showed you and the feds say well you can't.....then you tell the feds "well that is what they showed me and I took out taxes and sent them to you so piss off".....and the feds do just that

step into reality....thank you :walking:

[huh]

http://www.ssa.gov/employer/ssnv.htm

While the service is available to all employers and third-party submitters, it can only be used to verify current or former employees and only for wage reporting (Form W-2) purposes.

so READ CLEARLY class......you can NOT use this to verify BEFORE you hire them....ONLY AFTER HIRED!!!!!!!!!


http://ssa-custhelp.ssa.gov/cgi-bin/ssa.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=1127

The information your employer received from Social Security does not imply that you intentionally gave incorrect information about your name or SSN. It is not a basis, in and of itself, for your employer to change your job, lay you off, fire you or take other action against you. If you think that any action against you based on the information your employer received from Social Security is related to labor union activities or union organizing activities, you may contact the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB), an agency of the U.S. government


so it TELLS THEM YOU CANNOT FIRE THEM.....AND GOES ON TO GIVE THEM A WAY TO SUE YOU IF YOU DO SO because they will say it was because of UNION activities....even though we all know unions are now reqruting illegals as well


CAN I MAKE IT ANY CLEARER FOR YOU :laugh:

[mslawn]

All you are showing and saying is a w-2, that is not the only paper required. You sir, have not mentioned needing an I-9 filled out. You are clearly the one that is not getting all the paperwork filled out. If they are illegal and gave you fake Id and documents at least the information I gave out, the person would have an I-9 on file to show that he had took the correct steps at the time of hire. Why tell these people just that a ss number and address is all that is needed, when it is not and then try to tell someone that is giving out real information that he is wrong. The best thing to do is also photocopy the documents and put in your files.

[mslawn]

Huh, How you run your business and how I run mine may not be the same. If I hire an illegal, I will at least have the proper documentation to clear myself, because I used the proper forms. I will not just say to the gov, Huh?

[huh]

where did i tell anyone not to fill out an I9

what is the purpose of them showing me their license and SS card.......to fill out paperwork as I said before

filling out an I9 is not how someone is proven to be a legal worker in the USA.....having a license and a SS card is how someone proves they are legal to work in the USA.....if someone presents you with a SS card and a license that is presenting proof that they can work in the USA.....then they can fill out the I9 all they wish....it is also CLEARLY stated that the employeer does not have to photo copy the paper work....so in reality one can easily just have an illegal fill out an I9 with anything they wish.....the employeer could even fill it out himself......there will only be 2 people who will know......the employeer....and the illegal who will be long gone by the time the Feds ever get a clue

my origional statement was that a SS card and an address and ID is proof of legal right to work in the USA.....you say that is not true.....you are wrong....you try to say that an I9 is proof of legal right to work in the USA.....you are wrong......an I9 is the paper work filled out that states that the employeer verified that the employee has a SS card and an address and an ID.....which are the things that prove the right to work in the USA

again an I9 is not proof of anything other than an employeer viewed a SS card and an ID.........IT IS THE ID and THE SS CARD THAT ARE THE PROOF....an I9 is what is filled out to show it was presented....what is not clear to you

and after that I9 is filled out and an employee is hired there is a way for am employeer to see if it is a valid SS number....but they can not fire someone if it is not a valid number

again a SS card and an ID is what is needed to work in the USA....plain and simple.......i have NEVER had an employeer ask me to present an I9 as proof I can work in the USA........BECAUSE I DO NOT HAVE AN I9.....I HAVE A SS CARD AND AN ID.......then i fill out an I9........after that, unless photo copied, (which is not required) there is no way for anyone to prove what i did or did not show to my employeer

AN ID AND A SS card is proof of legal right to work in the USA....an I9 is business paper work......you are wrong....period

[mslawn]

I am not wrong, but you are 100% correct on - ID and SS card are proof. As for myself, until this is verified and documentated on the I-9 they WILL NOT work for me.
An I-9 is required paperwork, and it protects yourself by having the I-9 on file. If you chose to do it the wrong way, that is something you have to deal with

Proper documentation is what I am most concerned with, if they are illegal, oh well. I have it on file, and I PHOTOCOPY I.D. and s.s. card.!

[huh]

no where in any of my post did i say do not fill out an I9

I said an ID and a SS is proof and they are easy to fake...and I also said someone could just fill out an I9 for their employee and only 2 people would know and unless one blabbed there would be no chance for someone to get caught doing that......I would also not recommend photo copying documents since it is not required

again please post where I said not to fill out an I9.....I stated that a SS card and an ID is proof of legal right to work in the USA and you said that was BS.....who in their right mind would actually look at a SS card and an ID and then NOT fill out an I9 :confused:

and again all of this is in spite of the fact that an I9 a SS card and an ID can all be easily faked and even when presented with proof they are fake there is no action the employeer can take based on that information

[mslawn]

your profile -
Years in business:
1
Location:
Lubbock
How did you find LawnSite.com?:
yahoo

I will take advice on retaining proper documentation from you.NOT!

[mslawn]

To correct you you said ss card and address, you never mentioned ID.
Do you realize there are people on here that do not have a clue what an I-9 is. If you give out info, give it all , include required documents.

[mslawn]

a social security card is proof of the legal right of someone to work in the USA after they show that you cannot legally question them further about being "legal"
Did you say that? I see nothing about I.D.

[mslawn]

by "give you a SS and an address" he means fill out the paperwork.....if they do that then you have to take their word for it....end of story :)
Did you also say that? Nothing about I.D. Not until I mentioned it.

[mslawn]

You are not giving out correct info.
You have to look at the original documents they provide, you do not "take their word for it".
They cannot just give a SS and address, they and yourself (employer) have to complete an I-9 to verify this. It is the employers responsibility.
ss cards do not establish Identity, he also has to have a valid drivers license or some other form of acceptable ID. You have to physically look at them both. End of story!
Yep, I said I.D. END OF STORY!!

[huh]

take all you want.....i put 1 in there because it is the first number on the keyboard

I was a greenhouse grower for 3 years at 2 locations owned by people who also had landscape businesses...90% of the workers were Mexican

I work in viticulture now for the last 4 years where 100% of the labor is Mexican

I clearly stated that a SS card and an ID is proof of legal right to work in the USA and you clearly stated that was BS.....you were wrong and now have a hard time with that.....I clearly did NOT say not to fill out an I9

so I have worked with people from Mexico and people who employee them for 7 years

putting 1 year in business is a good way to flush out people like you who will continue to argue when they are wrong

a SS card and ain ID is all that is required to show proof of legal right to work in the USA......nothing you can say and no years you might claim to have in any business will change that.....nor will your attempt to say that I said not to fill out an I9 on an employee.....but nice try....I am sure you will impress people with your ability to read a BS profile that I filled out on the fly to access this site and its valuable information to see if lawn care ans landscape will fit in with a similar business I am considering starting (a vineyard)

you admitted I was correct in my origional statement that a SS card and an Id is proof or right to work.....too bad you tried and failed to gain further credibility after that :)

[huh]

Did you also say that? Nothing about I.D. Not until I mentioned it.

proof of address is an ID....but nice try....and if someone has a SS card then there is no issue with them getting an ID

[mslawn]

proof of address is an ID....
Complete BS, I do not care how they get the I.D. , If they want to work for me they better have a listed acceptable document to establish Identity.
You have a employee mentality. If documents are requested by an official, you can not say your dog ate them. You either have them or not.

[mslawn]

Further, where is the credibility in any thing have said, you just ramble on about a ss card and address(calling it an I.D.).
As a business owner you should have all documentation on file and not try to slam someone for giving out the correct info.

[mslawn]

take all you want.....i put 1 in there because it is the first number on the keyboard

putting 1 year in business is a good way to flush out people like you who will continue to argue when they are wrong

This should be the quote of the day!

[mslawn]

I clearly stated that a SS card and an ID is proof of legal right to work in the USA and you clearly stated that was BS.....you were wrong and now have a hard time with that....


You said ss and address, you did not say I.D. until I mentioned it. Get your facts straight!

[mslawn]

so I have worked with people from Mexico and people who employee them for 7 years

I'm SO sorry to question you, this must make you an expert on employment procedures and the required forms.

[huh]

this really gets you huh

again where did I ever say not to fill out an I9

read the title of the thread illegal hired help

every place I have ever worked that had illegals paid with a check.....they had all required documents on file

http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/formsfee/forms/files/i-9.pdf

school ID with photo....what school....primary school in Mexico from 15 years ago.....does not specify.....does not require you to have a copy of it

voter card......has no photo on it.....can be picked up filled out and mailed in under ANY name....you do not have to have a photo copy on file

trying to say I have an employee mentality just shows how far you will stoop to try and build yourself up......again nice try.....you were wrong

you have the mentality of someone that has lost touch with reality...no where did I say to not fill out an I9....your attempts to put that in my mouth have failed.....the system as it is set up now is WIDE OPEN and actually makes the notification of an employee being illegal into a potential LIABILITY for the employeer if they act on that information

it also prevents the employeer from requesting anything but the most BASIC easy to forge information to gain employment....it further makes it a LIABILITY to the employeer to question the validity of those documents

it does not require you to keep photo copies of that information......feel free to do so......that is just something to be used against you when something comes up that is out of your control

feel free to try and put words in my mouth.....the post I actually made are clear for ALL to read....and please feel free to take on aditional libalities to your business by keeping records (photo copies) that are NOT required and that would only serve the purpose of being used against you

as the system is set up now it is a libality to try and be "la migra" when hiring employees....that is not a libality I would tell any one to take on.....but you have fun keeping all of your additional unneeded photo copies and brow beating potential employees to see if what they provided you is real

[mslawn]

Huh, How you run your business and how I run mine may not be the same. If I hire an illegal, I will at least have the proper documentation to clear myself, because I used the proper forms. I will not just say to the gov, Huh?

This is my words, I would have been happy to end it on this post, you would not let it rest.
You run your business and I run mine. Simple as that. I do not really care how you conduct your business.

[colestat]

Wow - and this thread started with just sharing a joke.

[shamus78]

Every 1500 Miles There is 1 law enforcement that protects our boarders Home Land security. LOL

[shamus78]

1 law enforcement officer whether it be the coast guard or boarder patrol. take it from a landscaper thats also in the business.

[LONEMAN]

a social security card is proof of the legal right of someone to work in the USA after they show that you cannot legally question them further about being "legal"

OOPS! I mis-read your post. Thought you said illegal. :hammerhead:

[JKOOPERS]

two days ago about 40 miles from where i live they arrested 40 wetbacks the other day for being illegals, but they all had ss cards . the business that was hit makes caramel apples. the owner says he that they were because of the ss cards . i hope they shut his businee down and fine him .

[corey4671]

Wow - and this thread started with just sharing a joke.
LMAO!!!!!!!!!

[Big Bad Bob]

this really gets you huh

again where did I ever say not to fill out an I9




well it was conveniently over looked by you then. :dizzy: