trimec and team pro

[slagerlawncare]

i am using a secondary supplier for my lower end fertilizer program. does anyone have any comments on using team pro as a preemergent and trimec as a weed and feed product?<br>thanks <br> ps..i also posted this on applicator forum..<br>

[lawrence stone]

Are you taking about a granular weed n feed<br>product?<p>If so granular weed and feed gives poor results. You need to spray liquid to kill<br>lawn weeds.

[slagerlawncare]

yes..granular.<br> applied with dew on the grass is quite effective for granular. i'm starting out with granular this year and doing some spot spraying. spraying is down the road a bit.

[Lazer]

Why not back-pack spray all your weeds? Or get a spreader-mount sprayer? <p>Less cost AND better results.

[Evan528]

i use a packpack sprayer to apply weed killer to all my lawns. works great but my back just dosnt feel so great that night after walking around all day with 5 gallons on my back. luckily i only spray the weeds on my lawns 3-4 times a year.<br>

[slagerlawncare]

i have a 25 gallon pull behind sprayer...guess i'm a bit hesitant on spraying right now...are granular that ineffecient?<br>

[Evan528]

not for weed control! i used to use granuler weed and feed. kills maybe 20% of the weeds if you do it in the morning and 3-4 days before rain is expected.even with those ideal conditions you dont gets good results.

[Lazer]

Getting the lawn wet when you're there every time is gonna kill you for scheduling.

[slagerlawncare]

geez.. i have about 30 accounts right now...backpacking is out of the question.<br>even momentum granular is ineffective?

[Lazer]

How many square feet?<p>I've used to back-pack 100 accounts. (Over 1.2 million square feet) Sure there's better mothods, but I don't think that amount is any big deal. Most hericide formulations are labeled for low volume so you don't have to refill constantly.

[Evan528]

bought it a couple years ago and used it on a couple of my realy bad weed infested lawns. i had to go back and redo it with the liquid.

[slagerlawncare]

according to my info for momentum...it says&quot; excellent control of clovers,dandelion,plaintain, chickweed(my favorite:)) and dozens of other broadleaf weeds.university results indicate 70-85% range of broadlaf conrtol,which is comparable to sprayable herbicides&quot;<br>

[slagerlawncare]

where would you refill? would you ask customer for some water? i needz to kill your weeds...:)

[slagerlawncare]

right now i'm close to 400k sq ft....

[Lazer]

You get a 50 gal. tank for the back of your truck. Depending on nozzle and calibration, you should be able to do 200-250M with 50 gallons out of a back-pack sprayer.

[slagerlawncare]

lazer,<br>but what about info momentum..are they full of beans?<br>thanks

[GroundKprs]

Slager, the advertising for granulars is based on theoretically ideal conditions, which you will rarely find. Only ways to practically control weeds is preemergently, liquid or granular, or post emergently with liquid. Granular post-em control is for homeowners to play with.<p>----------<br>Jim<br>North central Indiana

[slagerlawncare]

ok... just got off the phone with my lesco rep...<br>he states that&quot; this new product called 'elite' momemtum works like no other weed n feed before. it has dichloro in it and that acts as a systematic form of control..no other granular weed n feed can say that. this product was only available to this lesco late last fall as its availability was hard to come by&quot;<br> i do realize that spraying is the best way to control % of weeds, but is it the best way for a small commercial guy to apply? my reasoning is <br>1-xtra hassle of mixing <br>2-calibrating correctly so you don't kill stuff<br>3-i'm going to back pack a lawn when i can granular it in about at least half the time?<br>4-less user friendly<br>5-more potential of drifting<p>so my idea is to go for granular this year and spot spray in the fall...<br>i'll let you know if your right and fer sure if your wrong...<br>thanks for all the input..NOW back to my original ? trimec and team pro..what's your thoughts of these products liquid or granular wise?<br>

[Retro67]

Elite refers to the granule size of Lesco's products. Let us know your results. I would probably stick with liquid, though. I'll talk to a rep and see what they say, though. I have to agree granular would be more convenient all the way around even if the results were slightly less stunning. This is my first year applying pesticides and don't want to take a risk of losing half of my customers because they are unhappy with the results.<p>While we are on the topic, though, do you usually use selective herbicides for spraying? Under what circumstances would you choose to use a non-selective? What are your favorites, and why?<p>John<br>

[richard]

how about MILLINIUM ULTRA it's supposed to be foliar and root adsorbed...saw it last fall..spring is a real bad time to kill weeds anyway..what about TEAM for poa ann. control?

[Dingo]

why is spring a bad time to kill weeds?

[cantoo]

In the Fall the pesticide is drawn into the roots better than Spring, the plant is storing energy for Winter. You still get kill in the Spring but usually better in the Fall. I do a good overall spray in the Spring and in the Fall I only do where it is needed.

[Evan528]

cantoo is right about that...for annual weeds it dosnt matter as much but with pereniel weeds they will be killed perminatly if you spray them in the fall.

[slagerlawncare]

plus...weeds germinate at different times..<br>i did see the MILLINIUM ULTRA ad today in a trade magazine...that is the same way momemtum is suppose to work..systematic and foilage. i know most of you guys are sprayers..but i'm going to try the granular and let you know results..good or bad.One thing i am doing my applications from 5-8 am so i should have better results with dew on the grass.most of my lawns are in good shape,weed wise and i've told them about spot treating in the fall...(more work).<br>i think i'll be $$$ ahead...hopefully and have happy customers to boot!

[cantoo]

Slager, I have a question on the granular. How wide can you throw it? I am wondering how you keep it from getting onto flowers etc. With my liquid I can shut off either side of my boom and I can see exactly where the spray is going so I know how far to stay away from plants. I was thinking of trying grandular but not quite sure if it will work. My fertilizer spreader shoots about a 15' width but it's hard to control because it's wheel driven.

[slagerlawncare]

i'm using a lesco spreader with a optional jet action deflector..trufully i have not used it...this is a new adventure for me...just got my pest. license ..ah about 10 days ago.