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jameson
11-08-2006, 10:22 PM
Demoed a 34" Phazer back in Oct. - Took delivery of the unit last week - first break in the weather to give to really put 'er thru 'er paces - I'll cut and paste a 'mini' review of the demo's we had earlier this Fall from another thread:

I demoed a few mowers during the months of September and October. I was looking at hydro wb's/standers: 44" - "48 - 52" - most of these machines are powered by 17hp or 19hp KAWs.

Most of the wb's are comparable in weight - with the Standers on the heavy side. After researching various machines regardless of whether the company had any presence in my area - 600 pounds give or take was my target - for the machine (48").

Price was also a factor - after adding the necessary extras to a machine - mulching blades/kit - catcher - sulky attachment (wb's) - you name it - $6000.00 give or take (more give ) was the target price.

Unfortunately - the Stander was out - its weight and price betrayed it. Had a nice demo - actually too nice - the conditions perfect - the grass was dry.

The Huslter Trimstar 48" w/17hp KAW was the wb demo - mainly due to the H-bar - new (for me) and innovative - and the XR-7 deck. We had perfect demo conditions - wet grass! It gave a very nice cut - however midway thru the deck began leaving clumps and droning - yep - packed with grass. No biggie for me - I do not expect miracles from any decks. The H-bar was nice - and I could see how we could all become adept at using it - but after the demo - none of my guys were very enthusiastic about it - the unanimous verdict was that the handling felt squirrelly and too detached.

The last demo was an eXmark Phazer 44" w/19hp KAW - small compact ztr - Trivantage deck (tried and true) - this mower was not initially in the cards - however it met my criteria - and despite its toyish appearance (these compact ztr's are a bit unsettling at first glance) - it is a commercial unit. We had a good demo - wet grass again - the machine was outfitted with the extreme blades - it gave a nice cut - packed the catcher solid - and yes after a bit - the deck also. The guys loved the machine - better than the previous ones. Felt solid even on the incline we took it on - my steepest.

-RE TODAY - Mainly used it to pick up leaves - very wet conditions of late in the NW - everybody had a lot o' fun - tore up some turf - really pleased w/purchase. Gotta get a mulch kit ;).

jameson
11-08-2006, 10:25 PM
more pics....

jameson
11-08-2006, 10:26 PM
more pics.....

jameson
11-08-2006, 10:27 PM
more pics.......

jameson
11-08-2006, 10:29 PM
more pics..........

jameson
11-08-2006, 10:36 PM
more pics................. who is this schmuck?

jameson
11-08-2006, 10:39 PM
more...........this guy really looks like he knows what he is doing - JMHOP :dancing:

jameson
11-08-2006, 10:41 PM
more...............Honestly - I am 6'1" 220 - and I dont feel squished - compact ztr's who woulda' thunk?

jameson
11-08-2006, 10:43 PM
more leavessssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

jameson
11-08-2006, 10:46 PM
leeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaavvvvvvvvvvvvvveeeeeeeeeesssssssssss

jameson
11-08-2006, 10:49 PM
Huh? Wha? ................................

jameson
11-08-2006, 10:50 PM
Now were just goofin' off...........

jameson
11-08-2006, 10:52 PM
Dont feed the monkey.

jameson
11-08-2006, 10:55 PM
Rinsing new mower - how long do you think this will last?

jameson
11-08-2006, 10:57 PM
Eyes - watch the EYES.....

jameson
11-08-2006, 11:01 PM
I am not sure which pic this is but its probably a grade of at least 25 degrees.....er I think :canadaflag:

jameson
11-08-2006, 11:03 PM
Gotta be pushing 25-30 degrees here.....I placed the catcher on the hill as a visual - I dunno.

exmarkmaster01
11-08-2006, 11:07 PM
those are extremly nice pictures. very nice mower you have there. now you need to test in the the taller stuff (tall tall stuff)*trucewhiteflag*

jameson
11-08-2006, 11:12 PM
Everyone felt pretty secure zipping up the hill with it (check out that pic - mowers gotta be goin' what - 35 mph???) - coming down the hill - pulling back on the sticks - no problemo - Whew!

exmarkmaster01
11-08-2006, 11:23 PM
its going at least 10mph. not 35.

LawnTamer
11-09-2006, 08:39 AM
OK questions.
How fast could you mow and still get a good cut?
Did you find hills that you didn't feel comfy on the ztr, where you would have felt comfy on a WB w/ sulky?

I run Toro T-bars w/ sulkies and am pretty happy, but we have a couple larger accounts where a ztr would be nice.

John Gamba
11-09-2006, 08:51 AM
how was it going down the hill and stopping towards the bottom???

John

jameson
11-09-2006, 10:00 AM
OK questions.
How fast could you mow and still get a good cut?

Joe -

I dunno ;). We had the deck set at 3.5-4.0 - we werent looking to cut off much grass. We demoed the mower in late September early October - we actually demoed it on the last lawn pictured - cuz of the steep hill. The lawn was fairly long - and wet - I know that I gunned the machine - full sticks - up hill and was very impressed with the cut - down the hill it was easy does it - I did not want the demo mower to end up in the drink (Puget Sound).

I know we could go full tilt and still pick up leaves with ease. The deck would pack but never puked out clumps (?) - and still managed to pack the accelerator full. As of now its got the eXmark EXTREME blades on - akin to Gators.

Did you find hills that you didn't feel comfy on the ztr, where you would have felt comfy on a WB w/ sulky?

The hill where I placed the accelerator is pretty steep - for us - even with a wb it is a sticky wicket - HOWEVER - with our Toro 44"'s or Q36 - we could go down that part of the hill - the Phazer would climb it - but going down we ended up in the vinca minor. Its only a small part of the lawn - and granted we are novices - and the lawn is slick - so I predict we will become more adept.

I run Toro T-bars w/ sulkies and am pretty happy, but we have a couple larger accounts where a ztr would be nice.

All I can say is GET A ZTR - no comparison - sitting is WAY fun - the TriVantage deck has impressed me - the SFS is not even in the same league.


how was it going down the hill and stopping towards the bottom???

John -

On the steep parts of the hill - I dont think the pics are doing it justice - as long as you pulled back on the sticks - before the bottom - it came to a stop - in fact we all practiced that before hand - understand it was WET, WET and WET conditions.

jameson
11-09-2006, 10:22 AM
its going at least 10mph. not 35.

Dude - check out that pick again - its like - whoa man - super extra fast - serious dude.

For real dude - I think like - maybe - its like - 40mph -










:waving:

Lynden-Jeff
11-09-2006, 10:30 AM
I considered a phazer but the idiot exmark dealer offered me it for $1500 more then a ZT-219 bobcat which is definatly more of a full sized machine, and IMO built more sturdily. however that phazer does look like it does a sweet job picking up leaves. Good pics.

Cheers
Jeff

jameson
11-09-2006, 11:08 AM
I considered a phazer but the idiot exmark dealer offered me it for $1500 more then a ZT-219 bobcat which is definatly more of a full sized machine, and IMO built more sturdily. however that phazer does look like it does a sweet job picking up leaves. Good pics.

Cheers
Jeff

Jeff -

Those Bobcat's look like suh-weet little machines - BUT - how much does your ZT-219 w/19hp KAW (48" deck?) weigh in at?

I think the point of the Phazer was to have a 'less built' machine - but still retain commerical quality/reliability (time will tell) - the Phazer weighs in @ 610 w/19hp KAW - this is wb weight.

jameson
11-09-2006, 11:13 AM
pics of machine.....

Lynden-Jeff
11-09-2006, 11:14 AM
Hey,

I belive its in around 750 lbs but im not positive, there are no specs on weight. Thats also with a 52" deck. I really wanted a full size machine and it went between a lazer Z HP and a bocat 219 and the lazer was WAY more expensive. Stupid canadian prices. Also what do you mean W/B weight? Without operator or the same weight as a walkbehind?

Cheers
Jeff

jameson
11-09-2006, 11:14 AM
pics of machine.........................

jameson
11-09-2006, 11:17 AM
Hey,

I belive its in around 750 lbs but im not positive, there are no specs on weight. Thats also with a 52" deck. I really wanted a full size machine and it went between a lazer Z HP and a bocat 219 and the lazer was WAY more expensive. Stupid canadian prices. Also what do you mean W/B weight? Without operator or the same weight as a walkbehind?

Cheers
Jeff

Same weight as a wb - even less than some. Do you find you have enough hp's for a 52" deck? Or do you have a 23hp KAW instead of the 19hp?

Lazer_Z
11-09-2006, 04:36 PM
James,Nice pictures and nice purchase. I too am a proud Phazer owner. I've got the 34", I wish I had more room and no gates because I would have bought the 44". If you don't mind me asking what was your total out the door price? When I bought my machine it came in just over $5K. Thanks and good luck with it.

Rob

jameson
11-09-2006, 04:44 PM
James,Nice pictures and nice purchase. I too am a proud Phazer owner. I've got the 34", I wish I had more room and no gates because I would have bought the 44". If you don't mind me asking what was your total out the door price? When I bought my machine it came in just over $5K. Thanks and good luck with it.

Rob

Rob -

Ha! Actually - I used the ole' search feature here on LS and read all your posts re YOUR Phazer - so your partly to blame for this purchase :laugh:!

I dont have the reciept in front of me but: 44" Phazer - accelerator catcher - eXmark eXtreme blades - jungle jack - $5900.00 w/tax.

lawncare18
11-09-2006, 06:12 PM
jameson.. you guys still use your quick36 much?? love the mower man looks like your guys love it to. How late do you guys work up there into the season?? a few more weeks left in ny and thats about it where i am.

Lazer_Z
11-09-2006, 08:15 PM
Rob -

Ha! Actually - I used the ole' search feature here on LS and read all your posts re YOUR Phazer - so your partly to blame for this purchase :laugh:!

I don't have the receipt in front of me but: 44" Phazer - accelerator catcher - eXmark eXtreme blades - jungle jack - $5900.00 w/tax.
Ha,ha,ha, Sorry I made you spend all that money on a new machine. Not bad price wise for all you bought, I bought my Accelerator around the middle of last month I also got the dust kit for it. My Phazer w/ tax @ 0.06% at the time came to $5,086.94. My catcher & dust kit was a total of $460.10. I was kinda pissed at my self that I did not just include a catcher initially in my purchase.

Good luck again James.

Rob

W.L.S.27
11-09-2006, 10:17 PM
I was looking at purchasing either a Stander Rapid Height 48" or a Phazer 44".
Before I go out and demo the machines I have a few questions for you...
1. How big are the properties you service?
2. Does the speed of a ZTR compensate for the 44 inch deck on the phazer on the larger properties? (compared to the 48" deck on the stander)

Thanks

-Chris Dagenais
Owner/Operator
Wheaton Landscape Specialists

SimonCX
11-09-2006, 10:32 PM
Hey,

I belive its in around 750 lbs but im not positive, there are no specs on weight. Thats also with a 52" deck. I really wanted a full size machine and it went between a lazer Z HP and a bocat 219 and the lazer was WAY more expensive. Stupid canadian prices. Also what do you mean W/B weight? Without operator or the same weight as a walkbehind?

Cheers
Jeff

Sorry but a bobcat zt-219 is not anywhere 750, I have the zt219 52" deck and a zt225 61" and I can tell you it's probably about 1100-1200 lbs when fueled. It is the same as the 61" but smaller deck and engine, it is a full size z. Bobcat makes the fastcat which is a compact z but I have never seen one in person so I can't coment.

Lynden-Jeff
11-09-2006, 10:49 PM
Sorry but a bobcat zt-219 is not anywhere 750, I have the zt219 52" deck and a zt225 61" and I can tell you it's probably about 1100-1200 lbs when fueled. It is the same as the 61" but smaller deck and engine, it is a full size z. Bobcat makes the fastcat which is a compact z but I have never seen one in person so I can't coment.

I highly doubt that. Ive taken a 2000 lb ram rod on my trailer and it was MUCH heavier then my ZT-219 with bagger and a 48 inch hydro W/b. There is no way with a bagger it weighs 3/4 of a ton, MAYBE 900 lbs fully fueled.

I don't know how a W/B weighs 600 lbs, my 48 inch, 15 hp hydro w/b weighs in at 269 lbs without deck so maybe 350 lbs with deck (fixed)? I know 3 of us can lift it up off the ground in to the trailer so I doubt it weighs more then 400 lbs. Anyways nice mower!

Cheers
Jeff

jameson
11-09-2006, 10:55 PM
jameson.. you guys still use your quick36 much?? love the mower man looks like your guys love it to. How late do you guys work up there into the season?? a few more weeks left in ny and thats about it where i am.

Use the Q36 all the time - still a big fan.

We have no Winter per se (just lots o' rain) - we cut back to 4 days a week after Nov. - guys still manage 30-35 hrs per week - or more - got a couple projects lined up.

This much I know - I need a break! :drinkup:

jameson
11-09-2006, 11:02 PM
I don't know how a W/B weighs 600 lbs, my 48 inch, 15 hp hydro w/b weighs in at 269 lbs without deck so maybe 350 lbs with deck (fixed)? I know 3 of us can lift it up off the ground in to the trailer so I doubt it weighs more then 400 lbs. Anyways nice mower!

Cheers
Jeff

Jeff -

48" - 52" Wb's are pretty hefty -

Exmark TTHP - 48" = 617 lb
Exmark TTHP - 52" = 651 lb
Exmark TT - 52" = 710 lb
Hustler Trimstar Hydro - 48" = 550 lb

Who knew? :waving:

jameson
11-09-2006, 11:23 PM
Chris -

I'll see if I can answer your ?'s -

I was looking at purchasing either a Stander Rapid Height 48" or a Phazer 44".
Before I go out and demo the machines I have a few questions for you...
1. How big are the properties you service?

Varied. Our biggest is about 35000 sq ft - we also have postage stamps where a 21" is the machine to make the green.

I was looking for speed - agilitiy - lowered operator fatigue - weight - and of course price (bang for buck factor).

2. Does the speed of a ZTR compensate for the 44 inch deck on the phazer on the larger properties? (compared to the 48" deck on the stander)

I cannot honestly answer that question. The Phazer is rated for 8 mph - a Wright Stander 48" is 8.5 mph (I may be wrong) - how often can you cut @ full tilt?

I should state that I LOVED the Stander demo - the controls seemed a bit more touchy - but WOWSER - a fine machine indeed. In my estimation - both machines had excellent manueverability - and speed - however one thing that bothered me about the Wright was the TREES we have on our properties - I found that the Phazer's - low - low - low - profile gave it an edge. At 6'1" - Ive knocked my noggin' enough on trees with a wb and a velke - :hammerhead:

FIRESCOOBY
11-09-2006, 11:35 PM
I've got a question on the catcher.

How often does it need to be emptied? Just wondering how many leaves it will hold. I'd like to get one for my Mini-Z.

Thanks

Lynden-Jeff
11-09-2006, 11:39 PM
Jeff -

48" - 52" Wb's are pretty hefty -

Exmark TTHP - 48" = 617 lb
Exmark TTHP - 52" = 651 lb
Exmark TT - 52" = 710 lb
Hustler Trimstar Hydro - 48" = 550 lb

Who knew? :waving:

Well im glad I didn't buy an exmark because I can't imagin using a walk behind so heavy. I like the lightness of my 48, one of the biggest reasons I have it or I would have just invested in another rider. The ZT-219 ran me $9300 and the 48 inch hydro was $6000. :dizzy: I thought all w/b's where less then 500 lbs, I wonder why bobcat is so much lighter.

Cheers
Jeff

jameson
11-09-2006, 11:47 PM
Well im glad I didn't buy an exmark because I can't imagin using a walk behind so heavy. I like the lightness of my 48, one of the biggest reasons I have it or I would have just invested in another rider. The ZT-219 ran me $9300 and the 48 inch hydro was $6000. :dizzy: I thought all w/b's where less then 500 lbs, I wonder why bobcat is so much lighter.

Cheers
Jeff

Jeff -

Mower pricing - now thats HEAVY!

I betcha that 48" Bobcat fixed deck is over 500 lbs. -

:usflag:

Lynden-Jeff
11-09-2006, 11:54 PM
Jeff -

Mower pricing - now thats HEAVY!

I betcha that 48" Bobcat fixed deck is over 500 lbs. -

:usflag:

Hey,

Well thats canadian pricing aswell. Pretty scary! Im almost positive its less then 400 lbs. I can lift the back up by the handle bars and move it over and im no paul bunyan. The list weight of everything except the deck is 270, im not sure how much the deck weighs but it can't be another 200 lbs because the front is by far the lightest part of the machine. I will have to get a few pics tomorow of me and my friend lifting it up.

Cheers
Jeff

jameson
11-10-2006, 12:14 AM
I've got a question on the catcher.

How often does it need to be emptied? Just wondering how many leaves it will hold. I'd like to get one for my Mini-Z.

Thanks

Normally what we do in heavy leaves is blow them - into a pile - mulch em up and disperses the clippings - hopefully they will be dust like in consistency. Of course that is best case scenario.

Minus a leaf collection system - if you really want to be serious during leaf season with an Accelerator catcher - look into an extender - or go for the XL catcher (IF they make it for your machine) - 6.2 cubic ft + extender = 11 cubic feet!!!

The Phazer has the standard catcher - 4.15 cubic ft - performed really well with light to medium leaf coverage - heavy coverage and your going to be on and off the machine quite a bit - YUCK! With mulching blades on you can really fit quite a bit into those catchers.

How do you like your Mini Z? - If Hustler had a bigger presence (or any at all) in my area I may have well went that direction. Those Mini Z's are nice little machines.

jameson
11-10-2006, 12:23 AM
Hey,

Well thats canadian pricing aswell. Pretty scary! Im almost positive its less then 400 lbs. I can lift the back up by the handle bars and move it over and im no paul bunyan. The list weight of everything except the deck is 270, im not sure how much the deck weighs but it can't be another 200 lbs because the front is by far the lightest part of the machine. I will have to get a few pics tomorow of me and my friend lifting it up.

Cheers
Jeff

Jeff -

A little cut and paste from Bobcats website:

Weight

54" Deck Model 337 lbs. (153 kg) floating; 290 lbs. (132 kg) fixed
48" Deck Model 290 lbs. (132 kg) floating; 250 lbs. (113 kg) fixed
36" Deck Model 235 lbs. (107 kg) floating; 200 lbs. (91 kg) fixed
32" Deck Model 220 lbs. (100 kg)

Weight (without deck)

17-hp Model 256 lbs. (116 kg)
15-hp Model 269 lbs. (122 kg)

So 250 lbs + 256 or 269lbs = 506 or 519 lbs - Go figure.

However - compared to eXmark and Hustler's 48" er's - its still on the slim side.

prostriper
11-10-2006, 07:46 AM
Congradulations on the new purchase Jameson. I hope it serves you well. I have ran several different mowers and Exmark have been some of my favorites. They get alot better after the control dampers wear out and you get used to them.

What deck do they run on the Phazer, Ultra Cut, Triton, or is it a proprietary deck for the Phazer?

I read that you were tearing turf up. I asume you are a newer to ZTR's, I may be wrong. But coming from a W/B especially the Quick 36, you need to keep an eye on the inside tire when turning and never let it stop. You will get a better feel as you get used to the mower and can turn without looking.

It doesn't work well on steep slopes or in shady, weak establishment areas, but its a tip that helps alot.

jameson
11-10-2006, 09:06 AM
Congradulations on the new purchase Jameson. I hope it serves you well. I have ran several different mowers and Exmark have been some of my favorites. They get alot better after the control dampers wear out and you get used to them.

What deck do they run on the Phazer, Ultra Cut, Triton, or is it a proprietary deck for the Phazer?

TriVantage decks.

I read that you were tearing turf up. I asume you are a newer to ZTR's, I may be wrong. But coming from a W/B especially the Quick 36, you need to keep an eye on the inside tire when turning and never let it stop. You will get a better feel as you get used to the mower and can turn without looking.

It doesn't work well on steep slopes or in shady, weak establishment areas, but its a tip that helps alot.

Toro belt's and a single hyrdro Q36 - this is our first go with a ZTR - DUAL HYDRO :dancing:!

Thanks for the tip - we all tried to keep both tires on the move - we just need some more windshield time. It will take some getting used to - unfortunately most of our lawns are water logged - if it were not for the new mower - we would not have been out mowing. I could not resist ;).

FIRESCOOBY
11-10-2006, 07:24 PM
Normally what we do in heavy leaves is blow them - into a pile - mulch em up and disperses the clippings - hopefully they will be dust like in consistency. Of course that is best case scenario.

Minus a leaf collection system - if you really want to be serious during leaf season with an Accelerator catcher - look into an extender - or go for the XL catcher (IF they make it for your machine) - 6.2 cubic ft + extender = 11 cubic feet!!!

The Phazer has the standard catcher - 4.15 cubic ft - performed really well with light to medium leaf coverage - heavy coverage and your going to be on and off the machine quite a bit - YUCK! With mulching blades on you can really fit quite a bit into those catchers.

How do you like your Mini Z? - If Hustler had a bigger presence (or any at all) in my area I may have well went that direction. Those Mini Z's are nice little machines.

I like my MINI-Z, just wish it had more motor. I've only put just a tad under 200 hours on it this year (just PT). I am thinking about upgrading end of next year/first of 2008. I will probably upgrade to a Super Z with a 25 KAW and XR-7 deck. If they offered the XR-7 deck on the Super MINI-Z, that's the route I would go. The size is perfect for me and most of my accounts. Only thing I'm not happy with is that it clumps BAD if the grass if even slightly damp or thick. It DOES NOT disperse the clippings well at all (or at least mine doesn't). I'm not sure if it's the 19hp not being enough, deck not deep enough, opening not large enough, or a combination of all three. Other than that...I am tickled with the machine. I had a susp seat put on the machine and it helped with the ride. Would like to try the flex-forks, but seen a lot of people with them wearing out too soon. I bought it in April and it was a 2005 model and got quite a deal on it. I was able to pay everything off (I had $8500 investment in everything) in July and have been planning for an upgrade to a bigger trailer and a bigger mower.

Been wanting to buy one of those side baggers and try it...thanks for the info.

SimonCX
11-10-2006, 08:26 PM
I highly doubt that. Ive taken a 2000 lb ram rod on my trailer and it was MUCH heavier then my ZT-219 with bagger and a 48 inch hydro W/b. There is no way with a bagger it weighs 3/4 of a ton, MAYBE 900 lbs fully fueled.

I don't know how a W/B weighs 600 lbs, my 48 inch, 15 hp hydro w/b weighs in at 269 lbs without deck so maybe 350 lbs with deck (fixed)? I know 3 of us can lift it up off the ground in to the trailer so I doubt it weighs more then 400 lbs. Anyways nice mower!

Cheers
Jeff

I think you are wrong, it weighs more then 900lbs, closer to 1100-1200lbs. A bobcat belt driven 48" is around 500 lbs. Look at comparable mowers like scag tiger cub or exmark lazar z hp they have weights listed and there 1100-1150lbs dry, so add oil and 10 gals of gas and your around 1200. And a ramrod is heavier then both mowers because they are around 2000lbs depending which model without bucket, they list the weighs without attachments so your ramrod is probably over 2000lbs.

jameson
11-11-2006, 12:30 AM
I think you are wrong, it weighs more then 900lbs, closer to 1100-1200lbs.

According to this ZTR Comparo Chart - the ZT-219 weighs in @ 1000 lbs. - {dry weight}.

http://www.igin.com/Landscaping/lanscapingsub/pageZeroTurn06.htm

John Gamba
11-11-2006, 06:01 AM
According to this ZTR Comparo Chart - the ZT-219 weighs in @ 1000 lbs. - {dry weight}.

http://www.igin.com/Landscaping/lanscapingsub/pageZeroTurn06.htm


This is very true

SimonCX
11-11-2006, 09:30 AM
According to this ZTR Comparo Chart - the ZT-219 weighs in @ 1000 lbs. - {dry weight}.

http://www.igin.com/Landscaping/lanscapingsub/pageZeroTurn06.htm


So it is around 1100lbs add another 90 lbs for gas and oil.

John Gamba
11-11-2006, 10:07 AM
So it is around 1100lbs add another 90 lbs for gas and oil.


Another 200 pounds for the operator. How much are bagger empty??

SimonCX
11-11-2006, 01:01 PM
Another 200 pounds for the operator. How much are bagger empty??

The 3 bag catcher I have for my bobcat is just over 300lbs without the front weights.

John Gamba
11-11-2006, 01:32 PM
The 3 bag catcher I have for my bobcat is just over 300lbs without the front weights.


Or the grass:)

MartinsMowing
11-11-2006, 02:20 PM
jameson, how well did the stander preform. Ive heard that they are bad i wet conditions and apparently you have a lot of that. Are other lco's in your area using them? Thanks

jameson
11-11-2006, 03:48 PM
jameson, how well did the stander preform. Ive heard that they are bad i wet conditions and apparently you have a lot of that. Are other lco's in your area using them? Thanks

As stated - the day of the Stander demo was a picture perfect Fall day - dry as can be - sun shining - birds a' chirpin'. It was agile - handled well both up and down hill - gave a beautiful cut. The Phazer and the Hustler Trimstar had the best demo days - wet conditions.

Wright has almost zero presence in my area - one dealer that used to carry them dropped them a year and a half ago - they have a non-stocking dealer 15 miles away - all other dealers are a 65 - 80 mile round trip.

I live just N. of Seattle - there is one LCO that has a 36" stander on his trailer - besides that - nada.

W.L.S.27
11-11-2006, 08:42 PM
jameson... would you mind posting a few pics of your "rig"; some of your equipment. I'm just curious as to what your setup looks like. Thanks

-Chris

S man
11-11-2006, 08:49 PM
Use the Q36 all the time - still a big fan.

We have no Winter per se (just lots o' rain) - we cut back to 4 days a week after Nov. - guys still manage 30-35 hrs per week - or more - got a couple projects lined up.

This much I know - I need a break! :drinkup:

Who services your Q36? My dealer(s) said they would NOT work on a brand they don't carry.

jameson
11-11-2006, 09:20 PM
Who services your Q36? My dealer(s) said they would NOT work on a brand they don't carry.

We service it. BOP designed the Q36 to be a maintenance no-brainer. Apart from the brake cable that was harder than he!! to put on - its been eazy-peazy-lemon-squeezy :laugh:. If you can manage to turn a wrench - you'll make out A-OK.

RE your dealer - many dealers are brand specific when it comes to service - which is not necessarily a bad idea. In particular to the Q36 - KAW and Briggs are universally spoken - I'd show your dealer your machine - I bet @ the end of the day - he'd only see green.

Easy fix - talk to Gary - he'll square you away.

S man
11-11-2006, 09:38 PM
We service it. BOP designed the Q36 to be a maintenance no-brainer. Apart from the brake cable that was harder than he!! to put on - its been eazy-peazy-lemon-squeezy :laugh:. If you can manage to turn a wrench - you'll make out A-OK.

RE your dealer - many dealers are brand specific when it comes to service - which is not necessarily a bad idea. In particular to the Q36 - KAW and Briggs are universally spoken - I'd show your dealer your machine - I bet @ the end of the day - he'd only see green.

Easy fix - talk to Gary - he'll square you away.

I see what you mean. The Q36 sure has better features than toro belt drive I'm looking at.

jameson
11-11-2006, 09:40 PM
jameson... would you mind posting a few pics of your "rig"; some of your equipment. I'm just curious as to what your setup looks like. Thanks

-Chris

Chris -

I'll sift thru some pics and see what I can come up with. I usually don't snap pics of my trucks or trailers ;). Here is a partial list of what I do have:

2004 Ford V-8 Super Cab - 'debris cage' and dump
2001 Ford V-10 4x4 Super cab
1992 Ford I-6 - this is what I usually putz around in - just got her a new paint job this year.

3 employees

5x8 landscape trailer
6x10 landscape trailer

-Most likely I will be purchasing a 6x12 trailer next year - and jettisoning the 6x10 (or not????) - We interchange between the 5x8 and 6x10 - don't ask me why ;) - Ideally I want to put in ONE open landscape trailer - the Phazer - Q36 - 1 or 2 Hondas - 1 Tru-Cut reel and have some room for the extras.

Phazer
Q36
toros - (w/arrival of Phazer - already gave one away to an employee)
Honda 21's
Reel mower

Redmax blowers
Redmax hedge trimmers
Redmax and Echo trimmers/multi-tools

S man
11-11-2006, 09:43 PM
James, How do you like the new honda 21's?

jameson
11-11-2006, 09:53 PM
James, How do you like the new honda 21's?

I tell ya what - a Honda that can mulch - who knew? If their longevity can match their predecessors - they are gonna be hard to beat.

jameson
11-12-2006, 12:17 AM
Chris -

This is all I came up with for truck/trailer pics - pics taken this Summer - remember Summer?

jameson
11-12-2006, 12:18 AM
one more -

W.L.S.27
11-12-2006, 02:56 PM
yea... can you imagine; clean turf with no leaves. ahhh... if only it were summer. Your setup looks great, but man that trailer is PACKED. How many accounts do you have?

-Chris

RedMax Man
11-12-2006, 07:32 PM
Wow, that is one packed, small trailer... at least it is orginized with racks and stuff. If it gets the job done thats all that realy matters. There is a landscaper in my area that has about the same size trailer without the tall side. He doesn't give a very good first impression because his truck and trailer are a wreck... trimmers and handtools thrown on top of the grass clippings in the truck bed, wb mower hanging over the front edge of the trailer, 21" mower tipped on its side, walker mower packed in behind plus a blower thrown on the trailer. way to overloaded... trailer tires were almost flat.:dizzy:

jameson
11-12-2006, 08:16 PM
yea... can you imagine; clean turf with no leaves. ahhh... if only it were summer. Your setup looks great, but man that trailer is PACKED. How many accounts do you have?

-Chris

Weekly accounts - around 35 (Wed - Fri) - majority of these are large estate gardens - high end residences. Mon/Tues - are project days!

Wow, that is one packed, small trailer... at least it is orginized with racks and stuff. If it gets the job done thats all that realy matters. There is a landscaper in my area that has about the same size trailer without the tall side. He doesn't give a very good first impression because his truck and trailer are a wreck... trimmers and handtools thrown on top of the grass clippings in the truck bed, wb mower hanging over the front edge of the trailer, 21" mower tipped on its side, walker mower packed in behind plus a blower thrown on the trailer. way to overloaded... trailer tires were almost flat.

Packed but organized to the hilt. Everything has its place. Thats the 5x8 which is perfectly sized for servicing our Seattle accounts - old neighborhoods and apartment complexes downtown. The 6x10 handles the rest.

I am working on a one-size fits all trailer with room for everything + extras - for next year. As stated earlier I will most likely keep the 5x8 and ditch the 6x10 - a friend of mine purchased a 6x12 trailer this year - lots of cool custom storage bins and cubbys for 'stuff' - stay tuned!

S man
11-14-2006, 06:11 PM
Seattle has rain all the time right? Wouldn't a enclosed trailer make sense?

metro36
12-26-2006, 07:15 PM
Jameson
Do you think the phazer would be better with the kia series engines?

S man
12-26-2006, 07:17 PM
Jameson
Do you think the phazer would be better with the kia series engines?

That's a good one. I would stick with the kawasaki.

metro36
12-26-2006, 07:23 PM
KIA series are kawi. They just have better air fliter on them and look differently.

Lazer_Z
12-26-2006, 08:41 PM
KIA series are kawi. They just have better air fliter on them and look differently.That is a car. You are talking about the KAI engines, eXmark does offer a bigger air filter kit for the 19's but due to the lack of room between the engine and the guard they can not be used for the Phazer's.

Rob

metro36
12-26-2006, 10:10 PM
I was refering to Kawi KIA Series engines. I just think they are better. Scag uses them on their 36", 42" z.

metro36
12-26-2006, 10:11 PM
This is the engine i am talking about.
http://www.kawpowr.com/4cycle/vert_fh580vkai.asp

John Gamba
12-27-2006, 07:18 AM
That is a car. You are talking about the KAI engines, eXmark does offer a bigger air filter kit for the 19's but due to the lack of room between the engine and the guard they can not be used for the Phazer's.

Rob

Happy new year!!!!:waving:

Lazer_Z
12-27-2006, 09:02 AM
Happy new year!!!!:waving:
Same to you John.

Rob

Lazer_Z
12-27-2006, 09:04 AM
This is the engine i am talking about.
http://www.kawpowr.com/4cycle/vert_fh580vkai.asp
Dude it's KAI not KIA. The KIA is a car, The KAI is an engine from Kawasaki.

Rob

metro36
12-27-2006, 12:18 PM
Sorry I got the letters in the wrong order.

S man
07-07-2007, 12:02 AM
Sorry I got the letters in the wrong order.

hmmmmm.


How's your phazer doing jameson?? It's been awhile on this thread.