democrats in congress = good for "green" companies?

[cedarcroft]

with the recent election results, do you think that Green companies will be better off? I do. I think that over the next few years more favorable legislation will be adopted and will be good for our business and bad for the chem guys.
disclaimer: I am not looking to start a political debate, just interested in peoples thoughts on the new congress' effect on us.

[Grandview]

I think you will see legislation proposed that will restrict the use of chemicals. However this will not increase the green market. Customers that use chemical lawn care want results. They will not go to companies that charge high prices and no results.

[YardPro]

i agree with grandview.

personally i think they will be tied up so long in trying to smear the republicans for the next elections, that issues like these will get overlooked. I don't think you will see much legeslation on issues like this until after the presidental election.

[huh]

If you run your business so poorly that you need to rely on greenie weenies and their "sky is falling" scare tactics to help promote your false ideals, then in the end I see very little chance of success for you

Let's review the facts.... Humans live longer more enjoyable lives than ever before...there is an abundance of food in the world to the point that humans are fat

New species of mammals, reptiles, insects ect. are being found all of the time.... The environment is cleaner that ever in the history of industrialized nations

Chemicals are now safer than ever and the unsafe ones are fading from the market

Here is an idea for you...how about building your business on sound business and TRUTH and FACTS.... AND RESULTS (big way to call out the "organic" clowns here)...instead of scare mongering, B.S., fear, half truths, and lies

If you don't, one day some other person that is even more jealous and full of envy than you...And void of even fewer ideas than you will come along with an even better fear mongering/marketing campaign than you and he will leave you in the road like yesterday's compost…and lets face the truth….the people you are looking to for legislation to push your kook ideas are whores…they will drop you and your greenie weenie "ideals" as soon as the next kook with even bigger wacko ideas comes along

it is post like the origional one in this thread that firm my disgust for the enviro-crowd.....can't compete in the realm of ideas...can't promote your results....so you seek out the liberal power whores to force people to buy into your B.S.....truly a sad way to hold and promote "beliefs"

[YardPro]

lol,
so you're not democrat??? :)

[cedarcroft]

for the record, I am a Republican and proud meat eater. I am choosing the organic route because the island I live on has nothing but sand underneath it and anything we put on the surface ends up in our drinking water very quickly with little filtration. It is a local thing and a personal preference to avoid the use of chemicals and pesticides. I was just asking if anyone thought the new congress would help our cause with green leaning legislation. That type of legislation raises awareness of alternatives to chemicals and in turn helps people trying to sell these services. I sell the truth more than anything, so much so that it probably hurts my business. I tell people that if they want a perfect weed free lawn that looks like a golf course, they should use scotts. if they are interested in reducing chemicals and pesticides on their property and don't mind a few weeds go with me.
Huh, don't attack me and my business practices when you know nothing about who I am and what I believe in. I agree with just about everything you said in your post and see eveidnce of a healthier environment everywhere I go. We have Hawks and all sorts of birds I have never seen before and our water is clearer now than evfer before. I don't believe in fear mongering and liberal BS. I think Al Gore is a opportunist Douche with a twisted sense of environmentalism. I simply prefer to sell natural and organic products and I think the new congress will ultimately be beneficial to my cause. so take your political debate and repressed anger elsewhere unless you have something constructive to add to this topic.

[LawnBrother]

I have a feeling this will end up in off topic before too long....
But anyway, I think that due to the new democratic majority we will definitely see more restrictions on pesticides, including what homeowners can buy and apply themselves. In the long run, less pesticides can only result in one thing: a cleaner environment. That doesn't sound too bad to me.

[Otownlost]

I would not count on the Democrats for "Green Legislation" with any real substance. Al Gore and Bill Clinton's bid to retain the White House was to have Gore spear head the push to ban Dusrban. The "scientific" basis of this ban was the "poisonings" associated with it. After two rigorous weeks of study, which was the reading of 250 complaint letters of non licensed applicators misapplying Dursban TC in violation of label directions, (as a residential pesticide), they announced Dursban was "unsafe". Dow beat them to the punch and initiated a voluntary phase out. The result is classes of insecticides replacing organophosphates that breakdown quickly and force more frequent applications.
In addition, the ban on DDT has brought forth an increase in mosquito populations and resultant disease vectors. The problem so prevalent, the Federal Government is reversing itself on DDT and the test data. Scientists now state that DDT was not to blame for eagle eggs having thin shells (resulting in mortality). Look for the return of chlorinated hydrocarbons for the control of mosquitoes.
Moral is- the political climate swings back and forth. The laws enacted target commercial applicators, not homeowners. Any doubt of this statement will be removed once you go to Home Depot and purchase Dursban products. Try buying them at Leesco.

[YardPro]

good post otto. great informantion.

cedarcroft.
I am more republican as well, although i am pro choice, etc...

Having degrees in biology, i understand the implications of irresponsible applications.

I think otownlost has a very good level headed post. I can't stand a poorly thought out knee jerk reaction. That is the biggest problem i have with many in the Organic movement. I am pro "organics", but i am anit -"synthetics are poisoning the earth". I think this attitude does more to hurt the organic movement than anything else.

Far too many people think just because something is natural it is safe to use, and vice versa.

[DeltaLawn]

Here is an idea for you...how about building your business on sound business and TRUTH and FACTS.... AND RESULTS (big way to call out the "organic" clowns here)...instead of scare mongering, B.S., fear, half truths, and lies


Hey thats right out of the Neo Con play book!

[dallen]

If agriculture relied on organic inputs, the world would starve to death. Chemical fertilizers and pesticides aren't killing the world, they are saving it. However, when Wally-World starts selling organic produce, I get the idea there is a place for organics. There is a market for organics. Average Joe Homeowner's life does not depend upon a green lawn. But, for those of us in the lawncare business, our lives do depend upon green lawns.

[americanlawn]

Democrats = spending OPM (other peoples' money). I do not think this should be the American way. (personal oppinion only)

Fact: a certain American race = 70% children are "illegegitiment".

Fact: this same race votes democratic 92 %.

Fact: this same American race receives over 70% of our Country's welfare money (yours and my money).

Fact: this same "group of Americans" are seven times more likely to commit felonies and end up in U.S. prisons (more of our tax dollars at work).

Recent raids on Latinos is a "joke" in my oppinion, cuz at least these people are willing to "work". I cannot say the same for the above.

I am trying to be factual here, cuz I do not wish to be banned from this site due to facts regarding American stats/race/low-rents, etc.

[Allure]

Democrats = spending OPM (other peoples' money). I do not think this should be the American way. (personal oppinion only)

Fact: a certain American race = 70% children are "illegegitiment".

Fact: this same race votes democratic 92 %.

Fact: this same American race receives over 70% of our Country's welfare money (yours and my money).

Fact: this same "group of Americans" are seven times more likely to commit felonies and end up in U.S. prisons (more of our tax dollars at work).

Recent raids on Latinos is a "joke" in my oppinion, cuz at least these people are willing to "work". I cannot say the same for the above.

I am trying to be factual here, cuz I do not wish to be banned from this site due to facts regarding American stats/race/low-rents, etc.

what the hell does this have to do with the original post & the green industry?


You would probably fit in better here http://www.davidduke.com/

[dishboy]

Democrats = spending OPM (other peoples' money). I do not think this should be the American way. (personal oppinion only)

Fact: a certain American race = 70% children are "illegegitiment".

Fact: this same race votes democratic 92 %.

Fact: this same American race receives over 70% of our Country's welfare money (yours and my money).

Fact: this same "group of Americans" are seven times more likely to commit felonies and end up in U.S. prisons (more of our tax dollars at work).

Recent raids on Latinos is a "joke" in my oppinion, cuz at least these people are willing to "work". I cannot say the same for the above.

I am trying to be factual here, cuz I do not wish to be banned from this site due to facts regarding American stats/race/low-rents, etc.



The national debt under G.W. and the sold out republicans has grown larger than any Dem. in history. If you want a political debate you ought to take it to the basement. BTW the open borders can also be blamed on the republicans who up to now controlled Congress and the White House.

I used to vote Repub. not any more!



To the original op's question, expect tighter controls across the board.

[muddstopper]

I think the Democrates in control is actually going to make matters worse for the green industry. Let just say for example they ban all chemicals, Wow! how great for the green industry, everybody is now using compost and manure, including human waste, (got to get rid of it somehow). The first thing that would happen is the amount of food grown in this country would be reduced by drastic levels. Because of the past poor fertility practices, mostly sponsored by the chemical and fertilizer companies, this will result in population explosions of insects and disease. All of these overweight people, ( as someone mentioned in an earlier post), will start to starve, we will have to resort to importing even more food from other countries. This will result in higher prices and mean less money in the consumers pockets to pay for things like lawncare and landscapes. The green industry will struggle to find alternative material choices, they aint doint to well finding alternatives now. Because over 90% of all the plant life in the USA is already being grown on soil the contains less than 30% of the nutrients it needs to produce healthy plant growth, the sources for organic materials is going to be limited in proper nutrient content to produce good viable organic products. Because of the need for producing agricultural products, what resources we have will be used in agriculture, not lawns and landscapes, like everyone else, I would rather eat than have a beautiful lawn.

It takes a reasonable approach to organic, not the Al Gore approach. What we need is more educational emphasis on proper nutrient balances. There is room for chemical use in agriculture as well as landscapes. As long as we subscribe to the "if a little is good, then a lot is better" mindset our plant health, as well as our soils health and our own health, is going continue to decline. All organic materials are made up of chemicals, all life uses these chemicals in the same way. Overuse of any one chemical whether organic in orgin or straight from the factory, is going to have the same results. Only thru learning and realizing that a nutrient balance must be maintained, can we reduce our dependance on processed chemicals. There is much more than NPK in the needs of plant and animal life, yet we continue to concentrate on just three elements. Even Organic companies promte NPK in their fertilizers. This makes them no better than the chemical fertilizer companies. What happened to the rest of the elements on the element chart. These elements are important too or they wouldnt be there. Developing a balanced organic fertilizer is going to be hard to do given the already poor fertility levels in our soils. And it isnt going to get any better as long as we keep treating everything with just NPK. Reguardless of the source.

[garydale]

The Dems will slow the economy so much that 30% of us will be out of business. Inflation,job loss all money going to pet social projects.

[DUSTYCEDAR]

time will tell on this topic WE will get the shaft either way as we are a disposable service if it comes to eating or paying the lawn guy we will get the boot.

[hoyboy]

Sure, I can really see how my paying more taxes is going to help my business. I know Nancy P. knows where my money should be spent better than I do.

[Otownlost]

Every time I hear someone speak about the President in office and how good or bad the economy is, and the praise/blame begins, I offer one FACT. The fiscal descisions rendered today are not felt for years to come. There fore, the economy is as it is due to the Democrats. The facts are the current administration does not pander to entitlement mongers as Democrats do. Democrats (Al Gore) banned pesticides that have been safley used for decades after two weeks of "scientific testing" after recieving 200 complaints. The copmlaints were from missapplications by unlicensed operators. The fact is, the pervasive idea in the Democrat camp to govern based upon the political poles is assinine and dangerous. I will take a President that has the courage to make a descision based upon what he feels is in the best interest of our nation. I do not have to agree with it. Obviously, he will be privy to facts we do not have. We have a right to voice our dissent and he has a responsibility to listen, then act accordingly.
The recent showing of the political party lines regarding the enviorment is unrelaible to make a descision upon wich party is "greener". Reserve your vote until you hear the candidate's view on thesse issues and contact your local PAC to make your concerns heard.

[Duekster]

If you run your business so poorly that you need to rely on greenie weenies and their "sky is falling" scare tactics to help promote your false ideals, then in the end I see very little chance of success for you

Let's review the facts.... Humans live longer more enjoyable lives than ever before...there is an abundance of food in the world to the point that humans are fat

New species of mammals, reptiles, insects ect. are being found all of the time.... The environment is cleaner that ever in the history of industrialized nations

Chemicals are now safer than ever and the unsafe ones are fading from the market

Here is an idea for you...how about building your business on sound business and TRUTH and FACTS.... AND RESULTS (big way to call out the "organic" clowns here)...instead of scare mongering, B.S., fear, half truths, and lies

If you don't, one day some other person that is even more jealous and full of envy than you...And void of even fewer ideas than you will come along with an even better fear mongering/marketing campaign than you and he will leave you in the road like yesterday's compost…and lets face the truth….the people you are looking to for legislation to push your kook ideas are whores…they will drop you and your greenie weenie "ideals" as soon as the next kook with even bigger wacko ideas comes along

it is post like the origional one in this thread that firm my disgust for the enviro-crowd.....can't compete in the realm of ideas...can't promote your results....so you seek out the liberal power whores to force people to buy into your B.S.....truly a sad way to hold and promote "beliefs"


So we can start dumping waste instead of recyling and treating now. :hammerhead:


I think enviromental stewardship is a good thing. I will spray weed control products if the client wants weed control. I don't go out there and tell a customer, it is June, time to treat for grubs! I do my job. I inspect the lawn and treat accordingly.

If I can use a product that is effective and safer then I will use it.

[bigjeeping]

I don't think dems in congress will be bringing the "good" out of much.