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Envy Lawn Service
11-23-2006, 11:51 PM
Well, yet another dead Echo.

The dang thing has just gone haywire. Impossible to crank... then cranks fine. Cranks fine... then won't rev up without dieing. Then revs up... but will not idle. Then everything is perfect... then it returns.

:hammerhead:

Anyways, if I can't get this straightened out, I'm going to have to buy something which I hate to do this late in the year.

This unit is an ES-230 and it's GREAT for blowing out most gutters from up on the roof. In blower mode it looks much like a PB-200 and it shares the same tube style pictured here.

http://www.echo-usa.com/images/products/Blowers/pb-200.gif

Then the extra part about it that makes it great for gutters is that it has an additional handle over the starter recoil like pictured here.

http://www.northwestpowertools.com/lawnandgarden/blowers/es2400.jpg

So I can turn it on it's side and hold it by that handle while blowing, and with that curved duckbill end tube, I can put a shingle friendly airstream into the gutter and also not be down on the very edge of the roof. That end tip also can be reversed if I need to be blowing in the other direction.

Great little setup. And overall, for what it is, this blower has been pretty darn good, but just like the other Echo's with these little nagging troubles. So I'm thinking if I replace it, I'd rather go with another brand that makes something similar.

Any ideas on my troubles or ideas on a replacement would be appreciated.

Just Mow
11-24-2006, 12:20 AM
Well, yet another dead Echo.

The dang thing has just gone haywire. Impossible to crank... then cranks fine. Cranks fine... then won't rev up without dieing. Then revs up... but will not idle. Then everything is perfect... then it returns.

:hammerhead:

Anyways, if I can't get this straightened out, I'm going to have to buy something which I hate to do this late in the year.

This unit is an ES-230 and it's GREAT for blowing out most gutters from up on the roof. In blower mode it looks much like a PB-200 and it shares the same tube style pictured here.

http://www.echo-usa.com/images/products/Blowers/pb-200.gif

Then the extra part about it that makes it great for gutters is that it has an additional handle over the starter recoil like pictured here.

http://www.northwestpowertools.com/lawnandgarden/blowers/es2400.jpg

So I can turn it on it's side and hold it by that handle while blowing, and with that curved duckbill end tube, I can put a shingle friendly airstream into the gutter and also not be down on the very edge of the roof. That end tip also can be reversed if I need to be blowing in the other direction.

Great little setup. And overall, for what it is, this blower has been pretty darn good, but just like the other Echo's with these little nagging troubles. So I'm thinking if I replace it, I'd rather go with another brand that makes something similar.

Any ideas on my troubles or ideas on a replacement would be appreciated.
I have a Stihl SH85 and you can add a gutter attachment to it as well.:drinkup:

mdvaden
11-24-2006, 12:27 AM
Not bad if the gutters are bone dry, but if any customers are above middle-class and hire window cleaners, the splattered mist of blown gutter debris can ruin clean windows and spot siding.

There are benefits to scooping leaves with the extending tools that reach 8 feet each direction from a ladder.

Envy Lawn Service
11-24-2006, 12:39 AM
I have a Stihl SH85 and you can add a gutter attachment to it as well.:drinkup:

OK... what does that look like?

Is it something to be used from the ground?

Any idea if Stihl makes a curved duckbill nozzle accessory for the 85?
I know they make several curved styles for the 420's.

MJB
11-24-2006, 12:40 AM
Well, yet another dead Echo.

The dang thing has just gone haywire. Impossible to crank... then cranks fine. Cranks fine... then won't rev up without dieing. Then revs up... but will not idle. Then everything is perfect... then it returns.

:hammerhead:

Anyways, if I can't get this straightened out, I'm going to have to buy something which I hate to do this late in the year.

This unit is an ES-230 and it's GREAT for blowing out most gutters from up on the roof. In blower mode it looks much like a PB-200 and it shares the same tube style pictured here.

http://www.echo-usa.com/images/products/Blowers/pb-200.gif

Then the extra part about it that makes it great for gutters is that it has an additional handle over the starter recoil like pictured here.

http://www.northwestpowertools.com/lawnandgarden/blowers/es2400.jpg

So I can turn it on it's side and hold it by that handle while blowing, and with that curved duckbill end tube, I can put a shingle friendly airstream into the gutter and also not be down on the very edge of the roof. That end tip also can be reversed if I need to be blowing in the other direction.

Great little setup. And overall, for what it is, this blower has been pretty darn good, but just like the other Echo's with these little nagging troubles. So I'm thinking if I replace it, I'd rather go with another brand that makes something similar.

Any ideas on my troubles or ideas on a replacement would be appreciated.
I have the same blower and so far it working ok only 2 yrs old. But I keep having to clean the carbon out of the exhaust port, it will build up and make the hole a little smaller and then it starts acting underpowered and start harder etc. I have to chip it out with a screwdriver. Have you run into this yet? I've always been an Echo fan, but every time I get a new one it seems to be less dependable. But I hate to change too. My Trimmers are all Echos because the Edgit works great on them and lasts longer. But I'm getting real tired of buying a new one every 2 yrs if lucky. Always have coil problems seem like.

Richard Martin
11-24-2006, 06:01 AM
But I keep having to clean the carbon out of the exhaust port, it will build up and make the hole a little smaller and then it starts acting underpowered and start harder etc. I have to chip it out with a screwdriver. Have you run into this yet?

I used to have it happen a lot to every 2 stroke piece of equipment I own. The I switched to synthetic (Amsoil) 2 stroke oil and I haven't cleaned an exhaust port since. You also have the advantage of using one mix can for all of your equipment regardless of recommended ratio. Synthetic is so good you can mix it at 80 or 100 to 1 if you like. Try it, you'll like it.

grass_cuttin_fool
11-24-2006, 06:37 AM
Envy....If you consider a bg85...try to find a model 85c and not the 85d. I think the ''d'' model is the catalytic model and they seem to be down on power some and have some issues.I found this out from another guy in my area that has the newer model. I checked 2 of my dealers wed eve and they have the ''c'' models in stock.
The gutter clean kits are made so you can stand on the ground and blow them out. That is what Im in search of now.........2 months ago they were every where and now 2 of my best local dealers are sold out........I knew I would wait too long lol.

wayne

Just Mow
11-24-2006, 09:42 AM
OK... what does that look like?

Is it something to be used from the ground?

Any idea if Stihl makes a curved duckbill nozzle accessory for the 85?
I know they make several curved styles for the 420's.
Envy, I don't own the attachment but have seen it at my dealer. It can be used from the ground and looks like a periscope that has a curved end to go over lip of gutter to blow out the debris.

grass_cuttin_fool
11-24-2006, 11:46 AM
http://www.stihlusa.com/blowers/accessories.html

Here is a link to it, not that good of picture, But I think you can get the idea

wayne

Envy Lawn Service
11-24-2006, 01:43 PM
Well, I typically do the gutters from the roof.

I use the blower set up just like this...

http://www.echo-usa.com/images/products/Blowers/pb-200.gif

The ES versions with the handle over the recoil allow me to hold it on it's side.

This allows for a narrow vertical airstream from the duck bill nozzle.
And the curve in the pipe allows me to walk along farther away from the edge.
That make sense?

With that said... I guess the Stihl SH85 might work to where I could hold it on it's side.
The question is, does Stihl sell a curved duck bill nozzle accessory for the 85?

They have all kinds for the BR420.

http://www.stihlusa.com/graphics/blowers/tube.ends.jpg

grass_cuttin_fool
11-24-2006, 02:43 PM
The dealers here have a box of both the round and flat tips, different people have different needs or wants lol. You just have to change the last section maybe 12 inches or so

wayne

Envy Lawn Service
11-24-2006, 03:45 PM
The dealers here have a box of both the round and flat tips, different people have different needs or wants lol. You just have to change the last section maybe 12 inches or so

wayne

Yeah... the BG85's came with tubes for both of these configurations.

Round....

http://www.stihlusa.com/graphics/blowers/BG55.gif

Flat...

http://www.stihlusa.com/graphics/blowers/BG85.gif

But the question is, do they have a curved flat tip like this you can buy for an SH85?

http://www.tanaka-usa.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/thb_2510.jpg

I may end up having to call Stihl to find out.

grass_cuttin_fool
11-24-2006, 04:22 PM
kk I see what your looking for now, I havent seen any like that..........doesnt mean they dont make them though

wayne

Tharrell
11-24-2006, 04:52 PM
I've seen tips like that on the Robin and some Echo models. Matter of fact, they have one available for the 650/750 series now. I've bought replacement tube sections before and they're around 7 bucks.

TeRos
11-24-2006, 06:03 PM
I use a echo bp blower to clean some gutters. I duck tape (i know) one piece of that gutter cleaning tube with the curved end piece to my blower tube. You can cut the curved end to get a good cleaning angle. This keeps me from getting close to the edge of roof.

DeereHauler
11-24-2006, 08:13 PM
cleaning gutters sucks, get Gutter Helmet, great product

Envy Lawn Service
11-24-2006, 09:10 PM
I've seen tips like that on the Robin and some Echo models. Matter of fact, they have one available for the 650/750 series now. I've bought replacement tube sections before and they're around 7 bucks.

Cool you should mention that because I have been looking at a Robin for this.
But I didn't say anything because I really doubted anybody used them.

More specifically, I was looking at the FL251V Pro Power Blower.

http://www.robinoutdoorpower.com/prodgifs/popupjpegs/FL251V-23.jpg

That looks to be exactly what I need.
However, the CFM and MPH numbers on it are really sad... LOL.
I hate to go any lower than the ES-230 specs.

Anyways, I wouldn't mind the backpack idea. But I do not have the perfectly clear head and perfect balance I did prior to the onset of diabetes. Otherwise, up I would go with an idling PB-751 and the curved nozzle. But speaking of Robins again... this would be a really great choice for a guy comfortable going on a roof with a backpack.

http://www.robinoutdoorpower.com/prodgifs/popupjpegs/078rbfl500pro.jpg

530 cfm 260 MPH

I'd love to have one of those for the different airstream.
But how many backpacks can a man really justify... LOL