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W.L.S.27
12-17-2006, 04:21 PM
I'm 15, I started my business when I was 13, however this was the first season that I started getting serious about it. God has blessed me with an excellent season this year and my company has grown immensely. I will be purchasing a 6.5x12 trailer in about a month and a 1997 Ford F-250 PSD V8 sometime next fall when i get my license. Anyway, this is the equipment that I've acquired so far. I also have several pictures of some work that I;ve done this season if anyone is interested.... enjoy

-Chris Dagenais
Owner/Operator
Wheaton Landscape Specialists

KrayzKajun
12-17-2006, 04:27 PM
nice setup

Lawn Enforcer
12-17-2006, 04:36 PM
Wow, nice equipment. How much did you pay for that Phazer? Keep up the good work, and keep the pics coming!

W.L.S.27
12-17-2006, 04:51 PM
Lawn Enforcer, I paid $4,235.00 Total for the Phazer, I was lucky I got it. It was the last one in Illinois. (eXmark just stopped making them not too long ago) Thanks for the compliments! I'll post some pics of our accounts later.

-Chris

srl28
12-17-2006, 05:13 PM
Looks very good, keep it up. I like the name too, classy and proffesional. Lets see the work you've done too.

Petr51488
12-17-2006, 05:27 PM
Nice setup. Just a question. Why the two mowers? Do you plan on selling one of them? How many accounts do you have?

W.L.S.27
12-17-2006, 05:58 PM
Petr, I have another guy that works for me 3 days a week. Most of our accounts are relatively large in size (anywhere from 1-4 acres) so it took us quite a while to do them with just a 48" W/B. I bought the eXmark for next season to cut down on time (Time=Money). Next season, if money permits, I would like to purchase a Lazer Z 27/60 and have the Phazer replace the Scag for the tighter spots. I currently have just 8 accounts, however, like I said, they are very large. I am praying for 12-15 accounts for next season.

-Chris

Petr51488
12-17-2006, 06:04 PM
Petr, I have another guy that works for me 3 days a week. Most of our accounts are relatively large in size (anywhere from 1-4 acres) so it took us quite a while to do them with just a 48" W/B. I bought the eXmark for next season to cut down on time (Time=Money). Next season, if money permits, I would like to purchase a Lazer Z 27/60 and have the Phazer replace the Scag for the tighter spots. I currently have just 8 accounts, however, like I said, they are very large. I am praying for 12-15 accounts for next season.

-Chris


That's great.. I didn't know that the properties out there are so big. Most of my accounts can get done with a 36'' in about 30 minutes. Anything over a 36'' would not make any sense. I would work on the truck before you get a new mower. With a truck you will be able to expand your business to other towns. BTW, how do you get around to your properties?

W.L.S.27
12-17-2006, 06:13 PM
First are some maint. pics, then a few before and afters, and finally, a pond that we did last summer. Enjoy, and again thanks for all the compliments.

-Chris

srl28
12-17-2006, 06:15 PM
Nice Stripes! Wheres the pond?

W.L.S.27
12-17-2006, 06:21 PM
Here are some of our Landscaping/ Pond Install Pics. Enjoy

-Chris

W.L.S.27
12-17-2006, 06:27 PM
Petr, I was planning on purchasing a Truck before upgrading mowers again, you're right, it will allow me to expand quite a bit. I do currently have a small trailer that the Scag fits on, and most of my accounts are within walking distance of my house anyway. My mom or dad usually pulls the trailer to the accounts and then they come pick it up when we're finished. It is going to be so nice when I get my 6x12, MUCH more efficient then what I am currently trying to pull off.

-Chris

srl28
12-17-2006, 06:44 PM
That pond looks awesome, very very good job. Nice and clean and an excellent use of the grasses. Keep it up.

meets1
12-17-2006, 08:28 PM
Just curious - you have a chain saw in the pic - do you run it or helper?? Our insurance frowns on youngens running that piece of power equipment??

Other than that - things looks real nice!

RedMax Man
12-17-2006, 08:38 PM
Very Nice! looks like you put alot of effort into doing a good job, keep it up. Great tools too. All the best to you in the next year's season.

W.L.S.27
12-17-2006, 09:30 PM
meets1, My helper is the same age as I am. I have several other saws besides that one, so depending on the job, we're both running saws. I live out in farm country, I also have several friends and relatives in the tree service industry, so I know what I'm doing when it comes to the saws. If it makes you feel any better, I am very meticulous when it comes to safety, I wear chaps as well as a protective shirt, STIHL chainsaw gloves, as well as eye and ear protection. So, to answer your question, yes I myself as well as my helper run saws, as we both have been around them since we were about 12. I can pretty much handle one like any pro would.

-Chris

W.L.S.27
12-17-2006, 09:33 PM
RedMax Man, Thats what I'm all about. I learned very young to do it right the first time. Many people have told me that this is key when it comes to landscaping, so I try to put fourth my best effort, and make sure my workers do the same. I wish you an excellent season next year as well. Thanks again for all the compliments everyone! keep them coming.

-Chris

meets1
12-17-2006, 11:04 PM
Expereinced or not - the age things worries me having guys your age running saws. If something happend on my crew and these guys are under age - not a cool thing.

We sub work for a concrete crew and a roofing crew - neither crew has summer help under the age of 18 due to running saws, nail guns, falling etc. I know this topic was covered along time ago and i couldn't find the threads on my search but what does your insurance carrier say?? Then let me know who or with what company you have.

meets1
12-17-2006, 11:08 PM
One other thing - you say you are expereinced like the pros - ok. But in your first line of this thread you said your 15, been in biz since you were 13. In your Public profile you say you've been in biz for 5 years??? Which one?

W.L.S.27
12-17-2006, 11:09 PM
I can understand you're concern. All of my insurance is through my father, if you would really like to know, I can ask him. I'm not quite sure how the policy works off the top of my head...

-Chris

W.L.S.27
12-17-2006, 11:19 PM
meets1, Sorry, my statement is a bit confusing. I "started out" as the little neighbor boy with a 21" who would mow you're lawn for cheap when I was about 10, so I guess that where I got the 5 years. I've been in legit business since I was 12.5/13 So the actual years in "business" would be closer to 3. Sorry for the confusion.

-Chris

meets1
12-18-2006, 06:39 PM
"Your father" that explains alot!

W.L.S.27
12-18-2006, 07:01 PM
meets1, Sorry man I'm just trying to answer your question.

nmez21
12-18-2006, 07:10 PM
Nice setup you've got going. Good looking pond and stripes too. Hope you have good luck with your search for accounts.

W.L.S.27
12-18-2006, 07:50 PM
Thanks, NMEZ21, I wish you an excellent season as well.

-Chris

MattsMowing3535
12-18-2006, 08:45 PM
Meets1 do you have some problem with him trying to be as legal as he possibly can? I mean it just seems like your asking alot of questions about him running saws and his insurance and stuff. I run saws and I am also 15, If you know what your doing what is the big deal? Also I think that the pond is really really nice work! So is all of the rest, Great job!! Keep up the good work.

W.L.S.27
12-18-2006, 09:02 PM
Thanks for Sticking up for me MattsMowing, you're exactly right. I'm just doing the best that I can right now. If I could afford it, I'm sure that I'd have all the fancy insurance. My company is still a work in the making and theirs always room for improvements... not just in mine but in every LCO.

-Chris

josh1981
12-18-2006, 10:55 PM
nice machines and pictures. Very professional work. What model is that stihl chainsaw? I have a farm boss 290 and love it!

mikes landscaping
12-19-2006, 03:41 PM
W.L.S we also run saws on jobs when needed. We are also 15 and 16. We are just as experienced as anyone. good luck

W.L.S.27
12-19-2006, 04:42 PM
josh1981, The Stihl in the picture is an MS250-18" The only reason I didn't go with the Farm Boss is b/c it was a little too heavy for me at the time. That was quite a while ago so I'll probably be upgrading to the 290 sometime next season. Thanks for the compliments...

-Chris

nmez21
12-19-2006, 04:59 PM
W.L.S we also run saws on jobs when needed. We are also 15 and 16. We are just as experienced as anyone. good luck
Your thinking -that you're just as experienced as anyone else out there- is incorrect. Sure, you can say that you've got some experience and know how to handle a saw(say you grew up in the country, and have used them quite a bit.) but everyone makes mistakes and the younger you are, the more you are prone to making them. Never, especially with a working partner, get a false sense of security. Mistakes will happen, just don't let it be your ass that doesn't have insurance for you or your partner. I had a friend that you could say "knew what he was doing", but today he is without an arm, because of moment of false security with a chainsaw. No, I'm not totally against using them, but from what I've read too many of us think we can control it all and that we're (for lack of a better term) 'unbreakable.' JMHO
I wish you an excellent season as well.
thanks chris

josh1981
12-19-2006, 05:20 PM
nice man! you will love the farm bos if you get it. Has handled everything I have thrown at it so far, from small trees to big. Has never broke a sweat, lol

W.L.S.27
12-19-2006, 05:21 PM
nmez21, You are absolutely right, mistakes DO happen. Trust me, I've heard all the horror stories. Not 3 years ago, my father was knocked off a 25ft. extension ladder by a limb cut another worker that was above him (long story) He fell all the way to the bottom, shattering his heel and breaking his hip in 3 places. He is about 99% recovered by now but he still has problems every once in a while with all that metal in his leg :hammerhead: My mother is a physical therapist, so she has SEEN it all (and has no problems sharing it with me) I will never ever fall prey to a false sense of security. I am VERY meticulous about the safety of myself and all of my guys. I sure hope the same goes for everyone else....

-Chris

KS_Grasscutter
12-19-2006, 05:24 PM
Looks like you got some real nice stuff and do really good work.

W.L.S.27
12-19-2006, 05:50 PM
josh1981, all I can say is that Stihl saws are the way to go, Period. My 250 works excellent, I've never had a problem with it.

-Chris

W.L.S.27
12-19-2006, 05:57 PM
Thanks KS__Grasscutter.

-Chris

Idealtim
12-19-2006, 06:05 PM
Believe me, the truck next fall will be the best thing that could ever happen to you. You say you bought that phazer for 4250$, is it just me or did you get a wonderful deal on that thing?



P.S.-Absolutly love the work pics, deffinitely professional looking, hope you get paid nicely.

W.L.S.27
12-19-2006, 06:27 PM
Idealtim, I am definitely looking forward to a truck. I've got several other things that I need to purchase before I go out and get a truck:

1. Pay off the Phazer
2. 6x12 Trailer (essential to upgrade from my 5x8)
3. Greentouch racks for the trailer
4. Accelerator Bagger for the Phazer (make some money w/ spring cleanups)
5. Gator blades for both machines
6. Air Compressor & Impact Wrench
7. Decent set of tools & a chest to store them in
8. Redmax EB7001 (also to assist in cleanups since I can't afford a push blower)
9. Stihl FS110 RX (replace the SRM-210 and then use the 210 as a backup/edger
10. I'd like to upgrade my kawasaki 30" hedge trimmer to a Redmax CHZ2400 trimmer.

Once I get all those things done, I can start looking for a truck. Does that sound like a pretty decent plan to you?

Now for the Phazer, Yes, you heard correctly, I paid $4,235.00 I was very lucky that I got it as it was the last one in Illinois. I got a great deal on it, the dealer was trying to move them quick to make room for all the 2007 models.

Thanks for the compliments... any feedback on my "Plan" for next year would be greatly appreciated.

-Chris

coolbreeze
12-19-2006, 06:49 PM
well i think your plan is kinda catch 22, if you get the truck, you can get more accounts to pay everything else off and upgrade the trailer. i guess its a matter of what you feel is most important, but me i would go for the truck first.

meets1
12-19-2006, 07:36 PM
Young or old does not mean experienced or being like a "pro". That is like determining who has more expereince driving a truck - a 15 yr old or a 40 yr old - but I know............you have expereince! Pics - looks good.....

W.L.S.27
12-19-2006, 08:38 PM
Thanks meets1...

-Chris

RedMax Man
12-19-2006, 08:42 PM
Idealtim, I am definitely looking forward to a truck. I've got several other things that I need to purchase before I go out and get a truck:

1. Pay off the Phazer
2. 6x12 Trailer (essential to upgrade from my 5x8)
3. Greentouch racks for the trailer
4. Accelerator Bagger for the Phazer (make some money w/ spring cleanups)
5. Gator blades for both machines
6. Air Compressor & Impact Wrench
7. Decent set of tools & a chest to store them in
8. Redmax EB7001 (also to assist in cleanups since I can't afford a push blower)
9. Stihl FS110 RX (replace the SRM-210 and then use the 210 as a backup/edger
10. I'd like to upgrade my kawasaki 30" hedge trimmer to a Redmax CHZ2400 trimmer.

Once I get all those things done, I can start looking for a truck. Does that sound like a pretty decent plan to you?

Now for the Phazer, Yes, you heard correctly, I paid $4,235.00 I was very lucky that I got it as it was the last one in Illinois. I got a great deal on it, the dealer was trying to move them quick to make room for all the 2007 models.

Thanks for the compliments... any feedback on my "Plan" for next year would be greatly appreciated.

-Chris


All of that sounds good but much of it seems like your just looking to upgrade some things. I'd get what is absolutly needed and then get a truck asap. You will be able to upgrade and payoff new tools more quickly because you will be able to do more accounts and therefore make more money.

I have greentouch racks and really like them.
I recently purchased a DeWalt 18volt cordless impact wrench for changing blades. Very nice tool.

Hey its my 200th post!:clapping:

W.L.S.27
12-19-2006, 10:46 PM
Thanks for the advice guys!

-Chris

S man
12-19-2006, 11:03 PM
Is that stihl blower the on with a cat. converter?

W.L.S.27
12-20-2006, 08:15 AM
SnapperAriens, nope... i bought the blower just before they started putting them on. It is an original BR340.

-Chris

J&R Landscaping
12-20-2006, 11:18 AM
Pics look great! If I were you, I'd be pushing for more than just 12-15 accounts but thats just me!

rlcma55
12-20-2006, 11:38 AM
Hey WLS.....Great pix and nice equip...obvously you know how to take care of your bread and butter...Young or not,it is apparent that you like what you do and do GOOD at what you like...Good luck in all of your endeavors.

We all had to start somewhere.....


Bob:usflag:

DoetschOutdoor
12-20-2006, 01:35 PM
Nice looking stuff you got there! Im only 20 right now and have aquired nice equipment for my age but you definately got me beat on the mowers and accesories. Age 15 was me pushing a mower around the neighborhood or "borrowing" my dads truck when he would go out of town. You definately sound like your going to make things work but I would get the truck before dropping alot of money on tools or whatever else. Think of the expansion you can do if you can drive around and also eliminate the pain in the ass of having to have your parents drive you around. Dont worry about some people bashing you for using a chainsaw, I think some people on here dont like to see young people with nice equipment. Unless you are climbing way up in trees or acting like a ******, using a chainsaw is common sense. I get alot of people giving me weird looks or comments when Im using a saw because I look so young but its not really that hard to cut up a few branches or take out a relatively small tree. Keep up the good work, buy a truck, make 20x more money than everyone else your age (and alot of adults) and expand your biz. And with that equipment you should be aiming to do ALOT more than 12-15 yards. I would think you could easily do 30 yards a week by yourself with your equipment. O yea, get a truck! Good luck with everything.

W.L.S.27
12-20-2006, 03:36 PM
Thanks for all the compliments guys. I spoke to several members of my school administration today about maintaining my high school campus. The whole complex is about 13 acres. If God can make that contract happen for me, I wont be able to pick up any new accounts (the school is about 1 and 1/2 days of mowing by itself, and the accounts I have already take me a day) This is fine with me because the school account would pay very well :dancing:
I am still in school so 3 and 1/2 days of mowing on top of my usual homework load during the school year is more than enough for me. If the school doesn't work out, then I will probably be aiming for 15-20 (1 acre minimum) residential for next season. I have had an excellent season this year, and I am sure that the good God will bless me next season as well. People tell me to just do the best you can, and that exactly what I'm trying to do....

-Chris

S man
12-20-2006, 04:49 PM
SnapperAriens, nope... i bought the blower just before they started putting them on. It is an original BR340.

-Chris

That's good. Do you like it ans would recommend it?
Oh and are you a christian? If so God bless. :waving:

W.L.S.27
12-20-2006, 06:38 PM
SnapperAriens,
I love the blower. It has an excellent amount of power (for a BR340) I've never had a problem with my Stihl handhelds. HOWEVER, I though I'd inform you that next season, if money permits, my handhelds will change to:
1. Redmax EB7001 RH blowers
2. Stihl Saws
3. Stihl FS110RX Trimmers
4. Redmax CHZ2400 Hedge Trimmers
5. Stihl HL100K extended reach hedge trimmers

I am starting to pick up more and more accounts and my "low end commercial" handhelds are starting to take a beating. But, yes as far as the BR340 is concerned, it is a great starter blower, but if you're willing to spend the extra hundred bucks, go with the Redmax EB7001 or at least the EB4401 which is actually cheaper than the BR340... They are all great blowers, but for a starter I would go with the BR340... JMHO
Yes, I am a Christian, and may God bless you as well!

-Chris

ALarsh
12-20-2006, 07:31 PM
Great looking work. Keep it up and you will have more work than you can handle.

W.L.S.27
12-20-2006, 09:04 PM
Thanks ALarsh, I've always been jealous of your rig... have any suggestions?

-Chris

meets1
12-20-2006, 09:49 PM
Check out the thread on Buisness Management under "Minors, Laws, OSHA"

Also do a search on young people running equipment, laws, rules of age, hours being worked.

ALarsh
12-20-2006, 10:12 PM
meets1 give it a rest. Your not going to accomplish anything.

Just save up for a truck, a trailer and leave a good amount for advertising, take care of your customers and don't get yourself overwhelmed (easier said than done). Your work looks fantastic and it looks like your off to a good start.

mikes landscaping
12-20-2006, 11:17 PM
Check out the thread on Buisness Management under "Minors, Laws, OSHA"

Also do a search on young people running equipment, laws, rules of age, hours being worked.

Yeah dued, give it a rest, stop bashing kids like us for doing stuff we love and making money. Instead of sitting on our ass and playing video games or begging our parents for money. Whats your issue?:hammerhead:

meets1
12-21-2006, 10:08 AM
Issue - if laws are out there to abide by - like guys like us who are checked cuz of the work we do, who we sub for or hire as a sub - and I have some young experieced punk like yourselves that screw up one time cuz you have the expereince of driving a combine/tractor/semi who a#$ is on the line?? Check your local/state laws about child labor - how many hours are permitted to work at the age of 14, 16, etc. Do you ever rent power tools - if you have reputable rental company - I have rented in 4 states - at least the age of 18 is needed just to pick that piece of equipment up.

So you say give it a rest - well with parents to help you, fund you and maybe ride over the top for certain insurance - that is what makes it hard, more expensive, and more liablibility to have youngens working with such tools.

I also like how you guys are all in the same age group, been in biz since you were 6 yrs old and have more expereince than most of us could ever hope for. I suppose you all tell your teachers the same BS. Yeck as far as we know your all out of high school, attending college cuz you probably started school when you were ...oh.say 2 cuz you all have so much experience! Keep up the good work - makes good reading.

Skimastr105
12-21-2006, 12:05 PM
That is some very professional work. Keep it up!

mikes landscaping
12-21-2006, 05:20 PM
Issue - if laws are out there to abide by - like guys like us who are checked cuz of the work we do, who we sub for or hire as a sub - and I have some young experieced punk like yourselves that screw up one time cuz you have the expereince of driving a combine/tractor/semi who a#$ is on the line?? Check your local/state laws about child labor - how many hours are permitted to work at the age of 14, 16, etc. Do you ever rent power tools - if you have reputable rental company - I have rented in 4 states - at least the age of 18 is needed just to pick that piece of equipment up.

So you say give it a rest - well with parents to help you, fund you and maybe ride over the top for certain insurance - that is what makes it hard, more expensive, and more liablibility to have youngens working with such tools.

I also like how you guys are all in the same age group, been in biz since you were 6 yrs old and have more expereince than most of us could ever hope for. I suppose you all tell your teachers the same BS. Yeck as far as we know your all out of high school, attending college cuz you probably started school when you were ...oh.say 2 cuz you all have so much experience! Keep up the good work - makes good reading.

What ever buddy, im not going to get into it with you, if u get your kicks off bashing kids, whatever floats your boat. Keep us informed W.L.S., great work so far.

ED'S LAWNCARE
12-21-2006, 05:56 PM
Nice equipt and nice work. Don't worry about the bashing their just jealous you have nicer equipt than they do:laugh: :laugh:

good luck in the future.

As far as running the saws if the customers don't mind it's "your" company

nmez21
12-21-2006, 06:03 PM
I also like how you guys are all in the same age group, been in biz since you were 6 yrs old and have more expereince than most of us could ever hope for. I suppose you all tell your teachers the same BS. Yeck as far as we know your all out of high school, attending college cuz you probably started school when you were ...oh.say 2 cuz you all have so much experience! Keep up the good work - makes good reading.
It always comes to this. I don't want to get into it w/ anybody. This has happened to many times before, without any progress and just a bunch of put downs thrown in each direction.

We (Yes I said it- WE; the younger guys that you say have been in the biz since we were 6) get a bad reputation on Lawnsite. The roots of the problems come with those that have gone and passed, those who are literally the "fly-by-nighters," those who have lied. It sets the tone, and near everybody get the impression that all guys under 18 think and act in the same manner. The next step to the problem, that goes along with lying, is exaggeration, from both sides of the argument. Whether it be a kid saying he's got 700 accounts or you stating that 'you guys' (the younger guys)say that we've been in the biz. since we were 6. We all know that the kid whom says that they've got the 700 acts. is trying to pull our leg. But when you say ' you guys' and think that every guy under 18 has a history that they've made up, you're incorrect. I'll tell you what, don't characterize each and every one of us to be the same. Take a second, see our input to the site, or even take a look at a guys profile and maybe read up on their history on the site, and you'll find out that the majority of us are here to learn, grown, and prosper, what more could we ask for? 'We' respect the older members of the site, the least you yourself can do is respect 'us' for what each and every one of us is worth, not just those that make us all look bad.

meets1
12-21-2006, 07:46 PM
Still moral of story here is guys - reputation. Not some pretty pictures or nicer work or being jealous of equipment. I would rake all our equipment against anyone. If I have one thing older than 3 yrs old - that will be hard to come by. Been there done that - bashing - nope - discussion. Look at insurance companies - how do they rate people. Worst age is guy b/t 16 & 24 -reason - careless, reckless and no enough experience. Next is line is the same age of girls. Anyone check how old one has to be to apply insectide, herdicide or any chemical in general?? yes, you have be older than 6 yrs old with all that expereince. That is like comparing me driving 20K miles a year against the 50 yr trucker of 25 yrs saying I have more driving experience than he does. IT doesn't work that way.

I could care less if your daddy is helping pay for things. The truck, the gas, the trailer - heck maybe it is his stuff and the kid is using it. Maybe even his garage stall. Whatever it may be.

IT still comes down to rules and regulations. Solo outfits may get by with alittle more cuz there sole. Ok - so do you cut wood all day everyday to log that many hours with a saw?? But then you also mow, landscape etc to where your just awesome with your time cuz you have all this expereince. My brother-in-law is a corp lawyer - all he does is child labor laws against people like ourselves, construction trades that make the16 yr old run the quicky and bout cut off a foot to the food biz where they work more than allowed.
With all your expereince - do you think a major lawncare/landscape company is going to hire based on experience of a 16yr old b/c you can run a certain power tool? NO - there going to give you a shovel, a broom, a wheel barrel to start with. Maybe you'll be lucky and be able to sit up front (that is if they have a crewcab truck of some sort)

I always have safety meeting with all our guys. But if when the regulators are around you better not have one under age person operating the wrong piece of equipment. But then - if I had you guys running I guess I would be ok cuz the regulator guy will say - oh, they have expereince!

S man
12-21-2006, 07:49 PM
SnapperAriens,
I love the blower. It has an excellent amount of power (for a BR340) I've never had a problem with my Stihl handhelds. HOWEVER, I though I'd inform you that next season, if money permits, my handhelds will change to:
1. Redmax EB7001 RH blowers
2. Stihl Saws
3. Stihl FS110RX Trimmers
4. Redmax CHZ2400 Hedge Trimmers
5. Stihl HL100K extended reach hedge trimmers

I am starting to pick up more and more accounts and my "low end commercial" handhelds are starting to take a beating. But, yes as far as the BR340 is concerned, it is a great starter blower, but if you're willing to spend the extra hundred bucks, go with the Redmax EB7001 or at least the EB4401 which is actually cheaper than the BR340... They are all great blowers, but for a starter I would go with the BR340... JMHO
Yes, I am a Christian, and may God bless you as well!

-Chris

Redmax is what I want in blowers too. I'm thinking the ebz8001 or Evny said they are coming out with a ebz7001 Strato charged. I do like stihl trimmers though. They seem more solid.

DLCS
12-21-2006, 07:53 PM
Actually is not about bashing anyone. According to the Illinois department of labor, you must be 18 years old to operate power equipment. The only exception is if your family owns a farm and you are doing farm work. If your parents are calling the business their own and you do the work, then they are breaking the law. The people who hire you are breaking the law. My beef isn't with the kids its the parents and their customers. I can't see how you can even get liability insurance in Illinois seeing that the person doing the work is minor. The laws are made to protect children, not bash them, or hold them back. I've posted the Illinois labor code on lawnsite before, I can dig it up if someone doesn't believe me. BTW I'm not talking about the neighbor kid who mows his neighbors lawns with dads push mower.

meets1
12-21-2006, 07:59 PM
DLCS - good point. Although maybe you should post the law.

W.L.S.27
12-22-2006, 02:05 AM
skimastr105, eds lawncare, nmez21, Thanks very much for the compliments and encouraging words...

meets1, I'm not trying to cause a problem.. I just wanted to post a few pictures of my work and things just like everyone else does... thats all. Is it really worth making a big deal about it? Lets just call it quits with all these worthless arguments... you live in a completely different state and under completely different law, its not worth it to go back and forth like this. Just give it a rest...

snapperariens, a redmax EB7001 strato charged would be great... i've been waiting for one to come out. I did demo the EB7001 for a week this past season and I was very impressed. Talk about power! I agree with you 100% in your opinion on handhelds... redmax blowers and stihl trimmers, cant beat it...

Today was my first day of Christmas break, one of the guys and I spent most of the day cleaning the shop.. I can take a few pics tomorrow if anyone is interested...

Happy Holidays to everyone
-Chris

coolbreeze
12-22-2006, 07:54 AM
Today was my first day of Christmas break, one of the guys and I spent most of the day cleaning the shop.. I can take a few pics tomorrow if anyone is interested...

-Chris

ok, we're waiting. thanks.

meets1
12-22-2006, 08:26 AM
So DLCS says to look at your states labor laws - I am then assuming your 18 or over?? The it is legal to run all this stuff? No different than drinking - what is your states legal age? But I guess if you drink enough and get caught - just tell the officer you have expereince in this field. You can't tell me there is a difference.

DSLND
12-22-2006, 09:53 AM
Very Nice Setup! How do you like the wright stander? Id like to get one in a couple years to replace my JD WB. Thanks! -Mitch-

mikes landscaping
12-22-2006, 11:59 AM
meets1 , W.L.S. said he wasn't trying to cause a problem, and you keep going. Just call it quits already, your not going to get anywhere bashing kids, and going on about child labor laws and what not. Chris, i would like to see some pics of your shop, thanks.
-peter

meets1
12-22-2006, 09:42 PM
Last time I checked weren't the laws for everyone? Or only with no experience?

S man
12-25-2006, 08:08 PM
snapperariens, a redmax EB7001 strato charged would be great... i've been waiting for one to come out. I did demo the EB7001 for a week this past season and I was very impressed. Talk about power! I agree with you 100% in your opinion on handhelds... redmax blowers and stihl trimmers, cant beat it...
Happy Holidays to everyone
-Chris

Yep. I have a redmax trimmer right now and am skeptical about the gearbox being able to keep going after I thought it was broke. The dealer said it was fine and put a new deflector on it. It still seems screwy and whines a little. I like stihl all the way for trimmers and am going to go redmax for blowers. So that will be my new handheld setup. As far as w/bs, I'm not which brand, toro exmark scag?

W.L.S.27
12-25-2006, 10:31 PM
SnapperAriens, As far as walkbehinds go, I have had no problems at all with my scag. The 17 Kawi chews up whatever I throw at it, and the Advantage deck leaves a nice cut with excellent clipping dispersal. I did, however, demo an eXmark Metro 36" 15 KAI w/ ECS and an eXmark TTHP 48" 17 KAI with ECS...
Compared to the pistol grips on my scag, the ECS control system is like heaven. Even on the metro, which is a belt drive unit, it was almost as smooth to operate as the TTHP (hydro drive) I also love the KAI engines, excellent design, especially in the area of the air filtration... they have a much bigger and beefier filtration system than the older Kawi units.

SO
If you're looking for a 36" Unit, I would go with the Metro 36, 15h/p KAI and ECS

If you're looking for a 48" Unit, I would go with the TTHP, mostly because it has the 17h/p KAI and the Metro 48 only has the 15h/p KAI.

Hope this helps. Happy Holidays

-Chris

S man
12-26-2006, 07:19 PM
SnapperAriens, As far as walkbehinds go, I have had no problems at all with my scag. The 17 Kawi chews up whatever I throw at it, and the Advantage deck leaves a nice cut with excellent clipping dispersal. I did, however, demo an eXmark Metro 36" 15 KAI w/ ECS and an eXmark TTHP 48" 17 KAI with ECS...
Compared to the pistol grips on my scag, the ECS control system is like heaven. Even on the metro, which is a belt drive unit, it was almost as smooth to operate as the TTHP (hydro drive) I also love the KAI engines, excellent design, especially in the area of the air filtration... they have a much bigger and beefier filtration system than the older Kawi units.

SO
If you're looking for a 36" Unit, I would go with the Metro 36, 15h/p KAI and ECS

If you're looking for a 48" Unit, I would go with the TTHP, mostly because it has the 17h/p KAI and the Metro 48 only has the 15h/p KAI.

Hope this helps. Happy Holidays

-Chris

Do you have any experience with toro w/bs? I see they have the turbo decks now.

W.L.S.27
12-26-2006, 11:04 PM
SnapperAriens, I was looking at the toro walkbehinds earlier this season shortly before I bought the scag. There are 2 reasons that I did not purchase one...
1. I didn't care for the engine/deck size combos that they had available
2. Pistol Grips, I'm not a big complainer, but after using the pistol grips on the scag all day, my hands hurt! Go with the ECS, believe me, you'll be glad that you did!

-Chris

S man
12-27-2006, 05:19 PM
SnapperAriens, I was looking at the toro walkbehinds earlier this season shortly before I bought the scag. There are 2 reasons that I did not purchase one...
1. I didn't care for the engine/deck size combos that they had available
2. Pistol Grips, I'm not a big complainer, but after using the pistol grips on the scag all day, my hands hurt! Go with the ECS, believe me, you'll be glad that you did!

-Chris

Or the toro t bar. I demoed one today.

W.L.S.27
12-27-2006, 09:35 PM
SnapperAriens,
Go out and demo and eXmark with ECS. Then combine your opinions on the 2 machines and compare the two. Then make your decision...

-Chris

zim bob the landscaper
12-27-2006, 11:38 PM
hey man looks very professional. but im 15 never run saws thats all my brother and dad. i used a saw once and my dad was watchin me like a hawk. i was just cutting up logs. in our biz lisence or w/e u guy call it we can touch anything thats thicker than 4" without being approved by the town. unless its already down. i have to go with meets1 on this. but other than that looks awesome man love the phazer and scag. also the pond looks amazing man.

W.L.S.27
12-28-2006, 06:50 PM
Thanks for the compliment zim bob. I really do not wish to go into further detail about the whole chainsaw thing. I think there was enough said already...

-Chris

mountianview
12-28-2006, 07:23 PM
YOU THE MAN IMAGINE YOU DOWN THE ROAD WATCH OUT good excuse me excellent start your dad must landscape?? pond sets a standard excellent job

Matts lawn care
12-28-2006, 09:50 PM
you got a great set up going for your age and some nice looking accounts, like the stripes. i am 16 and just starting to get serous about my business i will have my provisional license this spring and a 6x12 trailer. keep up the good work.

W.L.S.27
12-28-2006, 11:25 PM
mountianview, Thanks for the very enthusiastic compliment! My dad is not in the landscape industry, He has his masters in business management and is the VP of a large firm's barter, trading, and timeshare division. I too must say that I enjoy the business aspect of the green industry... picking up new clients, designing advertisement pieces and making important phone calls is fun, but I would much rather be grading a yard with a big ole' skidsteer than sitting behind a desk... Just my .02... Thanks again for the compliments

matts lawn care, Thanks for the compliments... I see in your signature that you have quite a few toys as well. I am also in search of a 6x12... hopefully God's got one for me that I can pick up before the season starts. Good luck in your search as well....

Thanks everyone for all the compliments!

-Chris

carcrz
12-28-2006, 11:59 PM
Nice work Chris! I especially like the landscape installs. I really do hope you are good to go w/ the insurance & legal stuff because it looks like you are keeping the industry standards up to par & I would hate for you to lose it over some fine print. Keep up the good work!

carcrz
12-29-2006, 12:00 AM
I forgot to ask - any more install pics?

mcwlandscaping
12-29-2006, 01:13 PM
Very nice equipment and installs!!

zim bob the landscaper
12-29-2006, 04:21 PM
Thanks for the compliment zim bob. I really do not wish to go into further detail about the whole chainsaw thing. I think there was enough said already...

-Chris

yeah there was like 8 pages of it haha.

W.L.S.27
12-29-2006, 06:59 PM
carcrz, I'll sift through some old pictures and see if I can find any more... Again, thanks for the compliments everyone!

-Chris

cooltype
01-14-2007, 03:24 PM
ok guys meets1 found that you have to be 18 to run power equipment everybody under 18 sell your stuff and lay on your ass. Get off the computer and mow something its not our fault you werent hugged enough as a kid. i bet you are just jealous because you grew up working at mcdonalds driving a pinto

mikes landscaping
01-14-2007, 05:32 PM
ok guys meets1 found that you have to be 18 to run power equipment everybody under 18 sell your stuff and lay on your ass. Get off the computer and mow something its not our fault you werent hugged enough as a kid. i bet you are just jealous because you grew up working at mcdonalds driving a pinto

Hahaha:laugh:

meets1
01-15-2007, 07:15 PM
Pinto ?? MCD's?? Any day of the week young little boys!!

MOlawnman
01-16-2007, 12:34 AM
Here is a link regarding young workers. At fifteen you cannot even operate a lawn mower or a trimmer. In part the law reads:

The jobs a 14- or 15-year-old may do in the retail and service industries include:

Clean-up work and grounds maintenance - The young worker may use vacuums and floor waxers, but he or she cannot use power-driven mowers, cutters, and trimmers

http://www.dol.gov/elaws/esa/flsa/docs/haznonag.asp


Now don't get me wrong, I think kids should work and realize the value of a dollar. I have two children ages 14 and 6 and I will put them to work, but I will follow the letter of the law and teach them that there are regulations out there that are meant for everyone and they must abide by them like it or not. It is those operators out there that do not follow the law that give the lawn care profession as a whole an image of idiots.

My advice to all the kids that call themselves businessmen at age fifteen, Start your business the legimate way and prosper for many years to come!!!

meets1
01-16-2007, 10:19 AM
Now - did everyone check out the link that MOlawnman provided? I am assuming being kids - you'll do your homework!

fortdan
01-17-2007, 02:03 PM
Those laws don't imply if you're self employed. It just means, that a person under the age of 18, can't be hired by a Landscaping company to do that kind of work.

mikes landscaping
01-17-2007, 02:43 PM
Those laws don't imply if you're self employed. It just means, that a person under the age of 18, can't be hired by a Landscaping company to do that kind of work.

Thank you lol

DLCS
01-17-2007, 04:37 PM
Those laws don't imply if you're self employed. It just means, that a person under the age of 18, can't be hired by a Landscaping company to do that kind of work.



Not according to the Illinois Department of Labor. Even so if that was the case, the original poster said he di in fact hire his friends to work for him 3 days a week. I assume the liability insurance is in his parents name cause no legit insurance company would insure a minor. So, legally the parents are the actually business owners.

meets1
01-17-2007, 06:52 PM
So then is that fraud being a biz under the age or is it ok to have the parents legally "own" operate & cover there kids butt on insurance? Laws don't imply if your self employeed??????

fortdan
01-17-2007, 06:55 PM
Not according to the Illinois Department of Labor. Even so if that was the case, the original poster said he di in fact hire his friends to work for him 3 days a week. I assume the liability insurance is in his parents name cause no legit insurance company would insure a minor. So, legally the parents are the actually business owners.

It may be in his parents name, but I know that a minor can get insured. When I was 16 (last fall) I talked to State Farm to see if they could insure me and they said that they could. They did say, I can't use chemicals, but that was not due to my age.

fortdan
01-17-2007, 07:06 PM
So then is that fraud being a biz under the age or is it ok to have the parents legally "own" operate & cover there kids butt on insurance? Laws don't imply if your self employeed??????

Those laws are for the employers.

meets1
01-17-2007, 08:04 PM
So therefore - to clear this entire topic up - the young kids on here "operating there biz" (under age of 18) nothing holds them to any one law out there b/c there "kids"? If this is true H*ll I might as well have the enitre biz put under my 2 year old!

meets1
01-17-2007, 08:14 PM
One more point - Originally Posted by meets1
So then is that fraud being a biz under the age or is it ok to have the parents legally "own" operate & cover there kids butt on insurance? Laws don't imply if your self employeed??????

Those laws are for the employers.
__________________
Dan
Cornerstone Landscaping Management

I just checked my local pesticide laws - self employeed, one man show - they need licenses to apply chemical, myself - owner of biz with employee's I need those that are appling chemical licsed & myself. I pay taxes as an owner - being self employeed you don't?? I just don't understand where all this thinking comes from that if your a kid or self employeed you have no biz/finanical/insurance concerns or any type of law to abide by.

W.L.S.27
01-17-2007, 11:16 PM
Here is some information that should clear all of this nonsense up.
1. My company is signed with the state as a ltd. (limited partnership) this is set up so that my father owns 1% of the company and I own 99%
2. I have a business licensee in the State of Illinois under my Fathers name
3. I have Workman's comp. as well as general liability insurance. (The general liability acts as bonding)
4. All of my workers are signed as independent contractors and are paid as independent contractors. They take care of their own FICA, as well as their own taxes.

meets 1, This is the best I can do to explain, Lets just go our separate ways now and forget about it... ok? Thank you

ALarsh
01-18-2007, 12:19 AM
WLS, don't worry about it. You do what you gotta do and let them talk the talk all day. Don't let it discourage you!

I got the same go around when I came here and it got a little discouraging, now I could care less and have grown in size a lot and don't get any of the talk. Keep going.

Uranus
01-18-2007, 12:28 AM
WLS Screw them if they give you crap about your age. Just remember your here for fun. Just sit back and take notes on the haters and when they slip up be the first to correct them. You'll find many types of people (A$$ holes too) in here. Fun first, and if you find something educating consider yourself lucky. I got you back!

DoetschOutdoor
01-18-2007, 12:52 AM
Who gives a crap if you are young. You could be out doing alot worse things then actually doing something you like and making good money. It is common sense to operate a mower, trimmer, etc. Really, what is the big deal about someone young operating simple machinery like a mower?

DLCS
01-18-2007, 01:59 AM
Here is some information that should clear all of this nonsense up.
4. All of my workers are signed as independent contractors and are paid as independent contractors. They take care of their own FICA, as well as their own taxes.

meets 1, This is the best I can do to explain, Lets just go our separate ways now and forget about it... ok? Thank you


Better check with your accountant, because if they use your equipment,you provide transportation, workmans comp, etc. YOU are their employer under IRS law and they are NOT independent contractors. You can't BS very many members of this site.

DLCS
01-18-2007, 02:02 AM
It may be in his parents name, but I know that a minor can get insured. When I was 16 (last fall) I talked to State Farm to see if they could insure me and they said that they could. They did say, I can't use chemicals, but that was not due to my age.



What is the agents name? My sister has worked as a rep for State Farm for almost 20 years and she says that they don't insure minors. State Farm does not insure pesticide use for anyone.

DLCS
01-18-2007, 02:06 AM
Who gives a crap if you are young. You could be out doing alot worse things then actually doing something you like and making good money. It is common sense to operate a mower, trimmer, etc. Really, what is the big deal about someone young operating simple machinery like a mower?


So that makes it all right? Laws are put in place to protect minors. Lawn equipmemt, etc are not toys and should not be treated as toys. Mowing your parents lawn is fine but mowing for hire and using commercial equipment can be dangerous. Many adults are killed each year doing lawn and landscape work. This is why the laws should be followed. Like I have said before, i don't blame the kids, i blame the lousy parents who are responsible.

MattsMowing3535
01-18-2007, 07:43 AM
would all you guys just leave him alone. All us kids have read the stuff you keep putting up. Its the same thing just worded differenet. Theres only a few of you big hater people that just dont want kids stealing your work. Hes asked you guys to leave him alone really nicly many times. So unless you want to start REALLY pissing some people off. I would keep your BS comments to yourself. Im also going to add that theres really isnt a age that you "use power equepment smarter" No one ever teachs that to us in school. Maybe when we start young useing it we learn fast how to use it right. So we wont get killed like all the people you claim do.

DLCS
01-18-2007, 08:36 AM
would all you guys just leave him alone. All us kids have read the stuff you keep putting up. Its the same thing just worded differenet. Theres only a few of you big hater people that just dont want kids stealing your work. Hes asked you guys to leave him alone really nicly many times. So unless you want to start REALLY pissing some people off. I would keep your BS comments to yourself. Im also going to add that theres really isnt a age that you "use power equepment smarter" No one ever teachs that to us in school. Maybe when we start young useing it we learn fast how to use it right. So we wont get killed like all the people you claim do.


:dizzy: Typical know it all kid, maybe you should learn English before you post your B.S. comments.

meets1
01-18-2007, 08:57 AM
DLSC - children, listen first - then act upon it & but in the mean time - your the bs'ers.

Also DLCS knows, understands, realizes what biz is, what it takes to run a legit biz & is successfull for it.

Williams LC
LawnSite Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Monson, Mass.
Posts: 719

WLS Screw them if they give you crap about your age. Just remember your here for fun. Just sit back and take notes on the haters and when they slip up be the first to correct them. You'll find many types of people (A$$ holes too) in here. Fun first, and if you find something educating consider yourself lucky. I got you back!

Now were haters?? Strong words. Wait for us guys to slip up and be the first to correct??? I beleive you should have fun but I think that is most of your problems - you treat this biz, equipment like the local joe blow who is out having fun with there lawn mower. You also say your here for fun - that says it right there. Your in school - I don't care if your still a kid - I am not in one bit worried about a youngster getting my work - If were the Bs'er & haters on here - re-read your post children - looks to me like were strictly pointing out laws that we, along with every other Profession must abide by - you guys, your still in grade/high school cuz your trash talken. I asked my state farm agent as well 24 yrs with the company - works in corp office - he would like to know your agents name. Please supply

procut
01-19-2007, 01:18 PM
WLS,

Not sure hwo your insured with State Farm. I was told by a State Farm agent that they wouldn't touch anyone lawn or landscape realted. Didn't matter if you applyed chemicals or not.

They story I was told was that State Farm had to pay out some pretty big claims to excavators in Illinios, and now the second I stick a shovel into the ground I fall into that catagory. Thus is why they won't insure a lawn/landscape business.

fortdan
01-19-2007, 02:16 PM
I don't have insurance for my company there. I only asked them out of curiosity to see if they could ensure me, while I was there regarding my car insurance. They gave me a card for me to call, but I never did and I don't have it now. They didn't seem to care about my age and even thought it was nice that I already had a my own company.

Matts lawn care
01-19-2007, 04:52 PM
Just put it to rest guys!*trucewhiteflag* *trucewhiteflag* *trucewhiteflag* *trucewhiteflag* *trucewhiteflag* *trucewhiteflag* *trucewhiteflag*

DeereHauler
01-19-2007, 08:10 PM
Here is a link regarding young workers. At fifteen you cannot even operate a lawn mower or a trimmer. In part the law reads:

The jobs a 14- or 15-year-old may do in the retail and service industries include:

Clean-up work and grounds maintenance - The young worker may use vacuums and floor waxers, but he or she cannot use power-driven mowers, cutters, and trimmers

http://www.dol.gov/elaws/esa/flsa/docs/haznonag.asp


Now don't get me wrong, I think kids should work and realize the value of a dollar. I have two children ages 14 and 6 and I will put them to work, but I will follow the letter of the law and teach them that there are regulations out there that are meant for everyone and they must abide by them like it or not. It is those operators out there that do not follow the law that give the lawn care profession as a whole an image of idiots.

My advice to all the kids that call themselves businessmen at age fifteen, Start your business the legimate way and prosper for many years to come!!!



i think you have said it best.

i've been reading this whole thread. and i have read past ones, it all goes to the same place, age. i support teens doing good things, and of course starting a business is great. the ONLY thing that gets under my skin is being 15 with 6 years expeirence (not directed at you wls), and you say you are a PRO, and "as good as anyone else out there" (which i believe i read earlier) and posting 2000 posts about how great you are, and what you do, or the young guys chiming in about the older guys and their "BS".

everything the "old guys" spout about business, and the law is true.

i was mowing with my brother while i was in high school. i'm still mowing, it takes a lot, and it doesn't get much easier. i may have mowed my yard growing up, but that DOESN'T give me 15 years expeirence.....i'm only 23 and i'm not gonna make some stupid uneducated statement to dcls, or meets1, they know their stuff, and we all came here to learn.



WLS 27, good job, nice stuff, just make sure you have everything legit so you or your family don't get in trouble. the only thing that concerned me was your helper being a sub. there are pretty strong rules about sub contrctors. around here you need your own tools, and can only work so many hours a year, and so on.

focus on work, your pics look good, don't over-extend yourself. the more you take on, and less time you have, you may chance your work going downhill, and stressing yourself out, i'm speaking from expeirence. just focus on doing good work with the time you have, if you turn down a job, that doesn't make you a bad person, just my opinion... good luck!

cooltype
04-20-2007, 09:46 AM
not trying to get meets1 all fired up again i can tell he has wasted lots of time trying to get the last word like a little kid but if he is such a landscape "pimp" doesnt he have a business to run or what??? You charge a $1 a min to mow and then volunteer hours of your time to try and convince a kid that mows grass he is a criminal just because you are jealous someone a third of your age can do your job. mowing is not brain surgery and neither is running a small lawn business i think a 16 year old can handle it.

W.L.S.27
04-20-2007, 11:40 PM
Thanks cooltype, I appreciate the back up. I am now fully licensed and insured, the business has also grown quite a bit from the last pics post. There's a lot of new equipment and I'm still in search of the right truck. Anyone for more pics?

-Chris

bishoplandscape
04-20-2007, 11:58 PM
WLS,

Not sure hwo your insured with State Farm. I was told by a State Farm agent that they wouldn't touch anyone lawn or landscape realted. Didn't matter if you applyed chemicals or not.

They story I was told was that State Farm had to pay out some pretty big claims to excavators in Illinios, and now the second I stick a shovel into the ground I fall into that catagory. Thus is why they won't insure a lawn/landscape business.

State Farm insures all of our stuff i don't know about lawn but they insure landscapers.

J&R Landscaping
04-21-2007, 07:42 PM
WLS,

Not sure hwo your insured with State Farm. I was told by a State Farm agent that they wouldn't touch anyone lawn or landscape realted. Didn't matter if you applyed chemicals or not.

They story I was told was that State Farm had to pay out some pretty big claims to excavators in Illinios, and now the second I stick a shovel into the ground I fall into that catagory. Thus is why they won't insure a lawn/landscape business.

I don't know if that is just a regional thing or what. I got a quote from state farm earlier this season. It was eextremely high but they gave me a quote none the less.

W.L.S.27
05-01-2007, 07:00 PM
Thought I'd share some pictures and give you an idea as to what we've been up to

W.L.S.27
05-01-2007, 07:12 PM
More pictures

W.L.S.27
05-01-2007, 07:23 PM
Last Few.... Can anyone give me some suggestions as far as trucks are concerned? I'm torn between Ford and Chevy

nmez21
05-01-2007, 08:23 PM
Looks like you're keeping busy. Nice work & equipment!

TriPLandscaping
05-01-2007, 09:02 PM
Please dont tell me your hauling the deere with the Cherokee.. Nice stuff tho. time for a truck.

Matts lawn care
05-01-2007, 09:44 PM
looking good. I am very busy as well. How does the trailer pull?

ALarsh
05-01-2007, 11:24 PM
Lets her some more info on that deere. Did you just get it? Price? Hours?

02DURAMAX
05-15-2007, 11:05 PM
Go with the Chevy..

02DURAMAX
05-15-2007, 11:17 PM
I sent you a PM..

josh1981
05-16-2007, 01:03 AM
wow! nice work! and equipment! love the deere and stihl saw and blower. what moidel stihl saw and blower? what model deere bucket loader? whats the other saw?