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carlriv
01-02-2007, 05:50 PM
Any thoughts on how much should it cost to have a 100 acre +/- field mowed down to 5". Not hayed and baled etc, just cut down 2 times per year.

Dirt Digger2
01-02-2007, 06:24 PM
well if its flat and can be done with a 15'-20' rotary mower your probably looking around $110 an hour, for 100 acres...im not sure on the excact time...but i might take anywhere from 8-10 hours...the 4700 i run with an 8' mower is $65 and it takes me about 1/2 hour to do 1 acre...but thats with hills, trees, and all types of obstables.

Runner
01-02-2007, 07:56 PM
I know. It is amazing how little bush hogging and high weed mowing go for with the right conditions. Some of these fields and larger areas I can't TOUCH for how much I could just get it done for by someone with the right equipment. Most of the guys around here get the same amount that e do for mowing.

carcrz
01-02-2007, 08:04 PM
I've subbed it out for $50 an acre.

Dirt Digger2
01-02-2007, 09:35 PM
$50 an acre?...jesus...with what type of equipment...60" z-turns maybe but certainly not 15-20' rotary mowers, and if he has 100 acres to mow hes not going to be using a z-turn

iluvscag
01-02-2007, 09:37 PM
I'm a farmer myself. Buy a 12 foot disk mower and a JD 7000 series tractor and run 14 MPH on the whole thing, you'll get done in no time.

Duekster
01-02-2007, 09:58 PM
Any thoughts on how much should it cost to have a 100 acre +/- field mowed down to 5". Not hayed and baled etc, just cut down 2 times per year.
It does depend on your equipment. Never bring a knife to a gun fight. I have seen road side advertisments for as low as $15.00 an AC but most of us would starve on that with our EQ.

carcrz
01-02-2007, 10:05 PM
$50 an acre?...jesus...with what type of equipment...60" z-turns maybe but certainly not 15-20' rotary mowers, and if he has 100 acres to mow hes not going to be using a z-turn

It was a field that was almost waist high & no idea what was in it. Are you saying it was high or low? Next day service was also provided.

Duekster
01-02-2007, 10:09 PM
It was a field that was almost waist high & no idea what was in it. Are you saying it was high or low? Next day service was also provided.

He was saying it depends on the EQ.

I think.:hammerhead:

carcrz
01-02-2007, 10:23 PM
It's all about mark-up. I only needed it once so I didn't think it was too bad of a deal. The customer was happy w/ the price I gave him & now that it was all cleaned up I have more of a lawn to mow!

Duekster
01-02-2007, 10:25 PM
I would get 1/2 up front. you are talking about 5K. Nice work.

cantoo
01-02-2007, 11:03 PM
Contractors here cut hay for anywhere from $7 to $11 per acre. I'd like to see US$50 per acre here. People here would cut it green, then round bale and plastic bag it for green feed the same day. Even roadside mowing don't get anywhere near that. Equipment does matter.

carlriv
01-02-2007, 11:05 PM
Thanks for the quick responses. It is lousy grass, and weeds. It will be done 2 times per year. I was thinking in the $5,000+ per time. I will hope to sub someone with a very large mower 10' plus. If I guess right could I most likely find someone to do this for around $100.00 per hour and have it come in at or under 16 hours.

Duekster
01-02-2007, 11:08 PM
Thanks for the quick responses. It is lousy grass, and weeds. It will be done 2 times per year. I was thinking in the $5,000+ per time. I will hope to sub someone with a very large mower 10' plus. If I guess right could I most likely find someone to do this for around $100.00 per hour and have it come in at or under 16 hours.


That sounds more correct. I would be concerned if someone is willing to over pay ( or not pay) .

carcrz
01-02-2007, 11:18 PM
I think you might want to try to get a price per acre rather than per hour. I have found that some people are dishonest & take their sweet time when being paid by the hour.

Mike Fronczak
01-03-2007, 10:35 AM
Why not try to have a farmer come in & use it for hay?

Daner
01-03-2007, 11:39 AM
I would never price 100 acres without seeing It first...one field can be so diferent then the other.
If the field look good I would use a 1411 Newholland Discbine,with the 125 HP Deere...But the one main thing that concerns me Is pot holes In the ground and rocks...sure you can whip through a field that you know pretty quick...but If you hit a bolder or some kind of animal hole...It wont be a good day for you. If the field looks rough It would be a job for the bush hog.
Ball park price=$400-$1000 CD.

Dirt Digger2
01-03-2007, 07:16 PM
Thanks for the quick responses. It is lousy grass, and weeds. It will be done 2 times per year. I was thinking in the $5,000+ per time. I will hope to sub someone with a very large mower 10' plus. If I guess right could I most likely find someone to do this for around $100.00 per hour and have it come in at or under 16 hours.

if your paying $5000 twice a year i will drive our John Deere 4020 up there on the highway and cut it...personally spending that much i know around here anyway is unheard of...but then again 100 acres of open field is unheard of too...for that $110 an hour is what i would charge running the 4020 (100 hp tractor) with a 15' batwing mower....and like i said before i couldn't give you a real price without seeing tha land, are there streams, wet areas, rocks, trees, etc...

David C.
01-03-2007, 07:32 PM
I'm a farmer myself. Buy a 12 foot disk mower and a JD 7000 series tractor and run 14 MPH on the whole thing, you'll get done in no time.


14MPH??? Why so slow???:laugh: :laugh:

ED'S LAWNCARE
01-03-2007, 08:48 PM
I've done a few farms here I charge $90 the first hr. (transport the tractor) then $60 per hr after. Since I never know of any obstacles I only quote by the hr. I only had 1 slow payer but he paid. I use JD 790 with a 5' bushhog.

Birdhunter1
01-03-2007, 09:04 PM
Rent a tractor and till about a 6' path all the way around the field and throw a match in it after the grass is dead in the fall on a dry night.

Matches are cheaper than deisel fuel.

Duekster
01-03-2007, 09:09 PM
I think you might want to try to get a price per acre rather than per hour. I have found that some people are dishonest & take their sweet time when being paid by the hour.


I price per production rates. My man hours are based upon my equipment or the job being done.

Roger
01-03-2007, 09:24 PM
...for that $110 an hour is what i would charge running the 4020 (100 hp tractor) with a 15' batwing mower....

That makes the $65 (or more?) per hour for a ZTR and operator (often what is thrown around on LS) sound VERY expensive.

gene gls
01-03-2007, 09:56 PM
Any thoughts on how much should it cost to have a 100 acre +/- field mowed down to 5". Not hayed and baled etc, just cut down 2 times per year.

Where in Mass are you located? I know some one that " rough cuts " as his main business.

Dirt Digger2
01-04-2007, 08:05 PM
That makes the $65 (or more?) per hour for a ZTR and operator (often what is thrown around on LS) sound VERY expensive.

z-turns are 5 foot mowers with comparably small engines...im talking a 15 foot mower with a tractor that has 100 horse (3 times the size of the typical z-turn) you can mow A LOT more acreage then you can in a z-turn, and you should be paid for it. A 100 hp farm tractor with batwing is about what a backhoe would go for per hour...hence the $110. there is a big diffrence

Roger
01-04-2007, 08:45 PM
z-turns are 5 foot mowers with comparably small engines...im talking a 15 foot mower with a tractor that has 100 horse (3 times the size of the typical z-turn) you can mow A LOT more acreage then you can in a z-turn, and you should be paid for it. A 100 hp farm tractor with batwing is about what a backhoe would go for per hour...hence the $110. there is a big diffrence

I'm sorry, I think you missed my point. I understand the investment of a 100hp tractor, 15' batwing mower is much, much more than any ZTR mower. You are more than justified in asking $110/hr.

My point is that it makes the $65/hr for a ZTR and operator seem very, very high, equipment that has a much less investment.

I have commented in other threads that suggest lawn mowing pricing is primarily (or even only) a function of equipment and operator costs, are probably wrong. To be sure, expenses and profit must be considered, but I keep hearing similar hourly rates, with little regard of the cost of equipment needed to do the job (e.g. hedge trimming, over against a 60" ZTR). If you need $110 to cover equipment and operator costs, and profiit for a 100hp tractor/batwing mower, then ZTR operators do not need $65 for equipment and operator and profit.

For my take on reading many threads, most pricing for lawn mowing, hedge trimming, etc. seems to be based on what the market will bear, not nearly so closely tied to expenses as often suggested.

Sorry, I have derailed the thread of "hay cutting." Now, back to topic.

puppypaws
01-04-2007, 09:53 PM
if your paying $5000 twice a year i will drive our John Deere 4020 up there on the highway and cut it...personally spending that much i know around here anyway is unheard of...but then again 100 acres of open field is unheard of too...for that $110 an hour is what i would charge running the 4020 (100 hp tractor) with a 15' batwing mower....and like i said before i couldn't give you a real price without seeing tha land, are there streams, wet areas, rocks, trees, etc...So you still have a 4020, what year model is it. I have had three in my life and they did not mean to make a tractor as good as the 4020, that is why the resale value now is worth more than it was new in my area. I also had a 4520 that was as good but more powerful than the 4020, it was rated at 125 hp at the draw bar but mine had the fuel turned up and was pulling 147 hp on a dynamometer.

Now back to the 100 acres, if you are in a good field with nothing to mow around running a 100 hp tractor with a 15' fold up rotary cutter you can get 10 or more acres an hour without any trouble. Now this is depending on how smooth and open the land is but in this area you could get ten to twelve dollars an acre which is in the $100.00 To $120.00 per hr. range. I am a farmer and this is farm prices but you can get more on a commercial cut where there are no farmers to compete with big equipment. I run a 15' John Deere rotary cutter over all my corn stalks before I sod drill wheat to chop and scatter the residue.

Dirt Digger2
01-07-2007, 04:51 PM
So you still have a 4020, what year model is it.

1968 ..shes been turned out so shes spitting out a little more then 100hp


puppypaws i also saw you rotary your corn stalks?...how often you have them catch fire ontop of the mower?...hasnt happened to us yet but another farmer around here had all the hydraulic lines on his 15 footer burned up

KS_Grasscutter
01-07-2007, 05:08 PM
1968 ..shes been turned out so shes spitting out a little more then 100hp


puppypaws i also saw you rotary your corn stalks?...how often you have them catch fire ontop of the mower?...hasnt happened to us yet but another farmer around here had all the hydraulic lines on his 15 footer burned up

That is a real slick 4020 you got. We used to have a 4010 with a loader. It was repainted in the late 90s. We traded it on a 4440 Power shift in 2004, and got like $9000 trade allowance for it. I would really like to find a late model 4020 with a loader. I kinda like the wheatland's, but wouldn't mind a row crop.

puppypaws
01-07-2007, 06:13 PM
1968 ..shes been turned out so shes spitting out a little more then 100hp


puppypaws i also saw you rotary your corn stalks?...how often you have them catch fire ontop of the mower?...hasnt happened to us yet but another farmer around here had all the hydraulic lines on his 15 footer burned upThat looks like a baby doll, I have been 100% no till for 20 years when I plant corn this year but I had one 4020 with a tricycle front end I use to cultivate with when I still fixed the land.

I have never been bothered with fire on top of a cutter but we always blow it off at the end of the day also. There is thousands of acres cut each year around here and I don't remember hearing of any that caught on fire. Maybe he had a u joint or bearing heat up who knows.