Deep root fert trees

[Rollacosta]

Are any of you guys deep root fertilizing trees?.Also are any of you guys innoculating tree roots with Mycorrhizal spores?

Are mycorrhizal spores applied granular or water soluble??..

Sorry for all the questions,many,many thanks for any relies..:)

[carcrz]

Just the fertilizer & only for 1 of my clients because he REALLY wanted it.

[Neal Wolbert]

Have been for years...lots of info. PM or email me. neal@wolberts.com.
Neal

[Duekster]

Are any of you guys deep root fertilizing trees?.Also are any of you guys innoculating tree roots with Mycorrhizal spores?

Are mycorrhizal spores applied granular or water soluble??..

Sorry for all the questions,many,many thanks for any relies..:)


I do and love it. Don't tell any one. Mycor rocks.

SHUT IT!

[scweedman]

Who sells Mycorrhizal spores

[Rollacosta]

Thanks guys PM's heading your ways..

[TLM]

That's all I use for trees and shrubs. I started using it also for all the flowers and bulbs I install now.
It works far better than anything else!!
LOTS of info , just Google....

[upidstay]

Liquid Boster is great, Mycorhizae is AWESOME. Many places sell these. Roots makes a very good product, Lesco sells one. It's becoming more and more popular cause it works. Best part is its a job you can do in the rain. It's a great thing to plan for rainy patches. You can keep working and making $$$. Merit is a good add on too for bugs.

[Duekster]

I like PCH brand. I have heard good things about it from many people in the know.

[wowmowwow]

my teacher told us that there was no need for deep root fert. for trees any more because of the better longer lasting fert we have today or something

[Duekster]

my teacher told us that there was no need for deep root fert. for trees any more because of the better longer lasting fert we have today or something


You should see the results I got on my Red Oak. I don't like too much nitrogen on trees but the MYCOR with some fertilization is a good thing on young urban trees. Not really needed much for mature trees.

[horticulturedawg]

Deep root fert = Bill of Goods

Mycorrhizae is a naturally occurring fungus that is already in the soil.

kinda like buying canned air.

[muddstopper]

Deep root fert = Bill of Goods

Mycorrhizae is a naturally occurring fungus that is already in the soil.

kinda like buying canned air.

Sound like you already have it figured out.

Mycor does occur naturally in the soil, but in areas of new construction and even in old growth forests, mycor application have proven to work. Over 95% of all plant life will form some sort of association with mychorizea. Using a mycor product that contains a diversity of different strains of Mycor will improve nutrient uptake into the plants. Mycor travels thru the soil slowly, if you are planting a shrub or tree in soil that has had the mycor spores killed by chemicals or over fertilization, adding a small packet of the spores will provide almost immediant innocculation of the plant and produce a healthier plant. There are more than one kind of mycor. Ecto mycor is the type that associates with trees and wood plants. Endo myco associates with grassy plants. Ecto mycor reproduces thru puffballs and truffels, and the spores can be carried thru the wind or even on your feet. The ecto spores are much smaller than endo spores and readily translocate downward thru the soil and to the plant roots. Endo spores are not as small and dont translocate as easily thru the soil. Also endo spores are not produced in puff balls or truffels, but in and on the roots of the host plant. Because of this endo spores are grown in potted plants and havested from the plant roots. The roots are then cutup into smaller particles and packaged for sale. There is a limit to how small the root stock can be cutup and still maintain viable spores. For this reason care must be exercised to insure that what you buy is really something that is alive and of benefit to your application. Surface applications of Endo Mycor spores only provides limited innoculation because most of the spores will die before they can inhabit a life plant. Because Endo spores travel poorly thru the soil, they must be placed in close proximity to the plant you wish to innoculate. And I know there are more than a few manufacturers of the endo spores that will argue with what I have just said, but to date, none have been able to show published proof that their products work the way they say they do. Sure you can dose the soil with large numbers of the spores and get some innocualtion, but if you incorporate the endo spores into the soil, you can get by with a lot less product. Of course the manufacturers get paid on the amount they can sell, so you figure it out.

[Grassmechanic]

Deep root fert = Bill of Goods

Mycorrhizae is a naturally occurring fungus that is already in the soil.

kinda like buying canned air.

Nitrogen is naturally occuring as well, but not in the optimum level that is necessary for the desired growth. Same with myco. I use myco in most landscapes around here as the native soil has been stripped off and the landscape is planted in a clay subsoil - no natural occuring micro-organisms.

[muddstopper]

Nitrogen is naturally occuring as well, but not in the optimum level that is necessary for the desired growth. Same with myco. I use myco in most landscapes around here as the native soil has been stripped off and the landscape is planted in a clay subsoil - no natural occuring micro-organisms.

Exactly!. I believe there is something like 36,000 ton of N in the air above each acre of earth. The trick is to use microbial sources that can convert some of that nitrogen into a plant usable form. Mycor is a great stand alone product, but used in conjuction with other bacteria and applied to the plant roots, Nitrogen as well as other forms of fertilizers can be greatly reduced. Still, you cant get something from nothing, if your soil doesnt contain the necessary nutrients, supplemental fertilizations can be used in conjuction with the microbial innocculants to produce a stronger and healthier plant. Plants form associations with micro because the association is benefitual to both the plants and the microbes. Overuse of fertilizers can inhibit the plant/microbial association from occuring and as soon as the fertilizations stop, the plants will start to decline. When this happens, you will see a reduction in the amount of microbes living in the soil and re-introduceing the microbes is the fastest way to insure re-establishment of those microbes. As so often isz the case around new homes and landscapes, the fertili topsoil is removed or buried under the fill, when the topsoil go, so do the microbes, or most of them anyways. The fastest way to re-estabish the missing microbes is thru innocculation with more microbes. Simply adding more microbes by theirselfs is rarely effective in these innocculation attemps. You also have to create an environment that is conductive to good microbial populations. Soil is chemical, physical and biological, simply adding micorbes will not improve the chemical or physical structure of the soil. You must improve all three soil properties before good microbial populations can exsist. Contrary to what a lot of the organic crowd will tell you, the first step in fixing the soil is correcting the chemical property of the soil. When good soil chemistry is present, you will also have good physical properties in your soils, and when the chemical and physical properties of the soil are correct, then the biological properties can grow and provide the much needed benefit to the plants that inhabit the soil. Oddly enough, most biological organic products are really pretty good, they just leave out the part about fixing your soil chemistry before using their products. You can dump gallons of organic teas and tons of compost to your soil, but until the soil chemistry is restored, you will continue to dump those gallons and tons of organic products and only see limited benefit. Of course the chemical companies are just as guilty as the organic crowd when it comes to your soils fertility. Dumping tons of fertilizers wont fix things either, but using chemicals to correct the soils chemistry, and then applying the proper organic products, will give you a healthier soil that either alone.

[Duekster]

Deep root fert = Bill of Goods

Mycorrhizae is a naturally occurring fungus that is already in the soil.

kinda like buying canned air.



LOL, I dare say according to our large Aggie university most nursery stock is helped by it.

Urban trees and nursery stock of all types are helped with inoculation.

You are right, most mature old growth trees will have it already but you are not going to dig and transplant those.

I would not spend the money inoculating a tree every year. I will hit them a couple of times on new accounts and on urban trees that look stressed.

Plus there is more to the product I use besides mycor.

Survival rate on transpants under high stress conditions in urban landscapes goes from 75% to 95% with similar care when Mycor type products are used.


I am not going repeat the other things said above about the fungus.

[muddstopper]

Dukster, I like your stripmine photos. Some here may be familiar with CopperHill Tenn. For years, Cities Service company dumped tons of hazardous chemicals in the air with their copper mineing techniques.When ever you crossed the stateline going from NC to Tenn, it looked like driving into the Sahara Desert. Miles of just bare, deep rutted and eroded away hillsides. Several attemps where made to revegitate that area. Soil Phs where so low, 2.5-3 ph, they would actually eat the soles off of the workers shoes. Every atttempt to revegetate the area failed until mycorrhizae was used to innoculate the root stock of the pine trees that where being planted. I am not sure exactly how long it has been since the trees you can see from the side of the road have been planted, and there are still areas that are being revegitated, but the soil ph is now around 4.5 at the top layer of the soil and I have even tested some soils that had a ph of 6.5. Does mycorrhizae work. You decide for yourself, but I know for certain, mycorrhizia has been used successfully in several large strip mined areas arounds the world, and there are 10's of 1000's of well documented studies that support the benefits of Mycorrhizia fungi. There shouldnt even be any doubt in anybodies mind that the Mycorrhiza fungi can be benefitual in a home landscape. With that said, there is also a lot of bogus claims made about Mycor fungi products. I suggest before buying anybodies product that you do your homework first, because there are manufacturers selling mycor products that contain very little to no viable fungi.

[Duekster]

One of the keys the University was concerned about at the strip mine was the lack of irrigation too. That was a photo I took off Texas Am & M site.

I agree with you, not all mycor products are the same.

[muddstopper]

I am pretty sure I have seen those pictures before, dont know how old they are. I wonder if anybody ever went back and checked the un-innocculated trees at some point later on. Tree roots will grow along the top few inches of the soil and the mycor fungi can extend way past the end of the roots. I suspect that over a period of just a few years or less, the un-innocculated tress probably became innocualted with the mycor fungi and are probably catching up to the innocculated trees in growth rates and performance.

[Duekster]

I am pretty sure I have seen those pictures before, dont know how old they are. I wonder if anybody ever went back and checked the un-innocculated trees at some point later on. Tree roots will grow along the top few inches of the soil and the mycor fungi can extend way past the end of the roots. I suspect that over a period of just a few years or less, the un-innocculated tress probably became innocualted with the mycor fungi and are probably catching up to the innocculated trees in growth rates and performance.


I think it has more to do with survival and how quickly the tree recovers. It is kind of like the container vs the B&B tree.