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Can-Do Lawn Care
01-20-2007, 12:15 AM
I have been looking real hard at getting a larger (3/4 or 1 ton) p/u and putting a 16' landscape bed on it. Like the one in the picture. http://lh6.google.com/image/IC3DT3/RbGkcLkYqTI/AAAAAAAAABg/o-wLl6fbDpg/74450283.jpg?imgmax=640

My questions are:
How much would a 16' foot bed like that weigh?
Would it be too much for a 3/4 ton, (the truck in the picture is a 1 ton)?
What is the average payload for 3/4 ton and 1 ton truck (ballpark figure)?
I am trying to figure out how much I can carry on it.

Lawn Enforcer
01-20-2007, 09:49 AM
Picture isn't showing up, but I don't think a 16' bed is going to work very well. Go w/ a GMC or Izuzu cabover. You could put a shorter bed on it like some people here have recently done. Search the truck and trailer forum.

sildoc
01-20-2007, 10:45 AM
I have been researching this my self. a 2007 chevy 3/4 ton has a gvw of 9200 truck with 6L gasser weights in around 4500 w/0 bed. figure about 1500-2000 in metal weight for a 12 ft bed ad maybe another 500lbs for 4 more feet that gives you about 2200 lbs of carrying capacity. the one ton actually will carry less.
the smallest cab over isuzu is 12500 gvw and it weighs in at 5800 c/c plus the bed =8300 giving you 4200 payload. The price difference is very little.

PROCUT1
01-20-2007, 11:01 AM
I have 2 isuzu npr landscape trucks for sale with 16 foot beds. If your interested call me at 845-897-5296

sildoc
01-20-2007, 11:35 AM
I have 2 isuzu npr landscape trucks for sale with 16 foot beds. If your interested call me at 845-897-5296

Could you pm me more specifics and some pictures? Thank you.

LindblomRJ
01-20-2007, 04:16 PM
I have been researching this my self. a 2007 chevy 3/4 ton has a gvw of 9200 truck with 6L gasser weights in around 4500 w/0 bed. figure about 1500-2000 in metal weight for a 12 ft bed ad maybe another 500lbs for 4 more feet that gives you about 2200 lbs of carrying capacity. the one ton actually will carry less.
the smallest cab over isuzu is 12500 gvw and it weighs in at 5800 c/c plus the bed =8300 giving you 4200 payload. The price difference is very little.

Bed weight may be more like 1000 to 1200 LBS. Depends on the the materials used.

I am toying with some sort of idea for my International L150 that is in great shape.

Can-Do Lawn Care
01-20-2007, 07:25 PM
Let me try that picture again
http://lh6.google.com/image/IC3DT3/RbGkcLkYqTI/AAAAAAAAABg/o-wLl6fbDpg/s288/74450283.jpg
Can u guys see what I'm talking about know. This truck was advertised for around 13K. '99 ford 350 v10

Can-Do Lawn Care
01-20-2007, 07:51 PM
I'm looking at ford's site and they list the 2007 f350 superduty crew cab lwb 2wd gvwr at 13000# and the payload at 5700#, which if i understand correctly means the truck itself w/ the factory bed weighs 7300#. So assuming a weight of 1500# for the landscape bed, the carrying capacity would be 4200# minus whatever the factory bed weighed. I think that would be more than enough capacity. I could put a couple of 61" Scag TT's (at 1350# each) or another combination of 2 or 3 mowers and still have weight to spare.

Can-Do Lawn Care
01-20-2007, 07:53 PM
So assuming a weight of 1500# for the landscape bed, the carrying capacity would be 4200# minus whatever the factory bed weighed.

Sorry i meant plus

LindblomRJ
01-20-2007, 08:29 PM
Sorry i meant plus

Glad you caught it. I was going to point that out. Removal of factory bed plus any additional weight of flatbed would be your payload. 5700# is quite a payload.

For this assumption say new weight would be 5,000#

Gravel Rat
01-20-2007, 11:27 PM
You really can't safely install a 12' bed on a truck that is originally designed for a 8' bed you have way way too much overhang.

You need to look at the cab axle measurement

60 inch CA = 8 to 9.5 long bed
84 inch CA = 10 to 12 long bed
102 inch CA = 14 to 16 long bed

Tadams
01-21-2007, 12:47 AM
A friend of mine had a Ford E-350 flat bed truck that he converted over to a bed like that. It cost him about $4000.00 to have the frame lengthened so he could put an 14 foot flat bed and a 4 foot dove tail on it. Then it was about $2300.00 for the bed. You can't just put a bed that long on any truck. With a regular long bed truck you can put maybe 8-10 foot bed on there.

Can-Do Lawn Care
01-21-2007, 12:53 AM
The trucks I am looking at are cab and chassis 1 tons w/ 84 in CA

Gravel Rat
01-21-2007, 01:00 AM
A truck with a 84 ca is good for upto a 13 foot deck a 12 foot deck is the longest I would go on a 1 ton with a 161-165 wheelbase assuming its a regular cab truck. You get too much overhang on a 2wd which has low ground clearance will cause the back of the deck to ground out and your stuck. You pull into a driveway that has any grade to it the front wheels start to climb then once the back end grounds out it lifts the rear tires.

Albemarle Lawn
01-21-2007, 11:52 AM
I have a Fuso with a 16' landscape body. Before the body, the truck weighed 5000 +/-

Now, it weighs just a little over 8,000. I'm thinking 3,000 lbs body weight.

GVW is 14,500 so I get 6500 capacity.

The body is not particularly heavily built....I wish the deck was thicker and the gates stronger.

So, my conclusion is that a 1500 lb, 16' body is either a)Poor assumption or b) piss-poor wafer thin construction.

Forget about a 16' on a 3/4 ton truck. You will trash axle bearings, brakes, and always be unsafe/unstable.

MAYBE a 3500 truck. Better off going straight for the 4500/5500 category, preferably cabover. You won't regret it. Why torture yourself running weak junk, get the correct truck and write it off your taxes.


BTW Gravel Rat is spot-on about the overhang thing. Don't go huge overhang you'll wind up stuck like chuck and have to pay for a tow and damage to a driveway.

LindblomRJ
01-21-2007, 12:37 PM
I have a Fuso with a 16' landscape body. Before the body, the truck weighed 5000 +/-

Now, it weighs just a little over 8,000. I'm thinking 3,000 lbs body weight.

GVW is 14,500 so I get 6500 capacity.

The body is not particularly heavily built....I wish the deck was thicker and the gates stronger.

So, my conclusion is that a 1500 lb, 16' body is either a)Poor assumption or b) piss-poor wafer thin construction.

Forget about a 16' on a 3/4 ton truck. You will trash axle bearings, brakes, and always be unsafe/unstable.

MAYBE a 3500 truck. Better off going straight for the 4500/5500 category, preferably cabover. You won't regret it. Why torture yourself running weak junk, get the correct truck and write it off your taxes.


BTW Gravel Rat is spot-on about the overhang thing. Don't go huge overhang you'll wind up stuck like chuck and have to pay for a tow and damage to a driveway.

The 1st post indicated 3/4 ton, assumption of 8 foot bed. Where did you get the idea of a 16' bed?

sildoc
01-21-2007, 12:46 PM
The 1st post indicated 3/4 ton, assumption of 8 foot bed. Where did you get the idea of a 16' bed?

actually indicated 3/4 or 1 ton and 16ft bed.

LindblomRJ
01-21-2007, 12:48 PM
I stand corrected.

Gravel Rat
01-21-2007, 02:48 PM
The funniest thing to see is the people and the 1 ton U haul vans they pull into the driveway and the back bumper or the hitch grounds out they are stuck. The class C motorhomes are the same usually they end up ripping out the poop pipe and damage some sheet metal.

Albemarle Lawn
01-21-2007, 07:17 PM
OK so I'm getting a little off topic but when Gravel Rat mentioned poop pipe, I remembered this story from Neal Boortz.

It's a stupid criminal story....

Here goes....

So, gas was disappearing from cars in a neighborhood. Anyway, this guys parents come to visit him in their new RV.

One night they wake up to the sound of someone spitting and coughing and carrying on, etc. They see a gas can nearby. They shine a light and the guy runs off. Then they see the hose in the poop pipe.

Well, turns out stupid criminal tries to siphon gas from the wrong place, and ended up getting some in his mouth.

LOL!:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Can-Do Lawn Care
01-21-2007, 07:38 PM
you guys have given me a lot of info to work with. I've pretty much scrapped the idea of the 16' landscape bed. The truck i found in the picture was probably custom modified like Tadams described
A friend of mine had a Ford E-350 flat bed truck that he converted over to a bed like that. It cost him about $4000.00 to have the frame lengthened so he could put an 14 foot flat bed and a 4 foot dove tail on it. Then it was about $2300.00 for the bed.
I've done some measuring and scale drawings and I think an 8'-10' bed w/ a double folding gate like the one on Crew Cut's F250
http://www.lawnsite.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=54372&stc=1&d=1143905922
would serve me better right now. In the future if i have a need for a 16' i'll look into a cabover like an izuzu or fuso

LindblomRJ
01-22-2007, 01:35 PM
you guys have given me a lot of info to work with. I've pretty much scrapped the idea of the 16' landscape bed. The truck i found in the picture was probably custom modified like Tadams described

I've done some measuring and scale drawings and I think an 8'-10' bed w/ a double folding gate like the one on Crew Cut's F250
would serve me better right now. In the future if i have a need for a 16' i'll look into a cabover like an izuzu or fuso

That was the setup I was thinking about.