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cutbetterthanyou
01-23-2007, 06:49 PM
i am bidding a new job i don't do a lot of mulching mostly grass cutting. how may yards of mulch do you figure on per an hour . i will probally have 4 guys may more. but you can just give me a one man rate if you want. also do you charge any less for big jobs just to try to get them i figured on 267 yards of mulch so i really want the job

WALKER LANDSCAPE
01-23-2007, 07:07 PM
Are you saying you need 267 yards of mulch for one job. WOW one man will probably take you a weed.:dizzy: One man can usually do one and half yards an hour. If thats what your looking for.:waving:

tjsquickcuts
01-23-2007, 07:11 PM
Wow, 267 yards for one job....Thats Huge....Thats over $20k in Gross Profits for me, charging $65 Per Yard just for the Mulch, not including prep work.....Good luck....hope I can catch a deal like that.....

LB1234
01-23-2007, 07:20 PM
You may want to think about subbing it out to a mulch blower. I will guarantee that is will be just as cheap if you include your labor and overhead. That is a crapload of mulch. Heck that's 3 tractor trailers worth.

I met with the mulch blower at a recent convention and I got quoted 35/yd hardwood and something like 45/yd for dyed mulch. For this particular job I charge 80/yd due to the limited access and hilly terrain. This job is 15 yards. So I would be charging the customer 1200. Mulch blower would cost me 675 for dyed. I'd basically make 500 bucks with a phone call and meeting the blower the day of.

Can't imagine what you would make on over 200 yards. Probablly get the cost down below 30/yd.

something to chew on.

Travel'n Trees
01-23-2007, 09:03 PM
With a 4 man crew it should be be a easy 2 day job, with wheelbarrels, and a dump truck and a loader to load the dump truck on a job that size, I don't charge for prep work my guys can do it while I reload.

DBL
01-23-2007, 09:06 PM
i think you did the measurments wrong this is a good site to put the measurments in of each bed and youll know how much

http://www.atstecks.com/mulch.htm

tnmulchblower
01-25-2007, 10:54 AM
CUTBETTERTHANYOU,I would look at contracting the mulch blower truck,like the quote above that gave that same opinion,I own a mulch blower truck and could spread that in 2 days max counting driving time and all,could do in 1 day if material was offloaded on site and rent a loader to keep truck loaded. Thats what I do not understand with landscape contractors here. They think that I am out to take there business,they can sub-contract the mulch application to me,charge customer 60.00 yrd,make at least 20.00 yrd and never touch the job,plus,lets there employees focus on other jobs,would like some replies to this mindset. I am not out to take there customers,just help them with there mulch application. Thanks

nobagger
01-25-2007, 11:36 AM
CUTBETTERTHANYOU,I would look at contracting the mulch blower truck,like the quote above that gave that same opinion,I own a mulch blower truck and could spread that in 2 days max counting driving time and all,could do in 1 day if material was offloaded on site and rent a loader to keep truck loaded. Thats what I do not understand with landscape contractors here. They think that I am out to take there business,they can sub-contract the mulch application to me,charge customer 60.00 yrd,make at least 20.00 yrd and never touch the job,plus,lets there employees focus on other jobs,would like some replies to this mindset. I am not out to take there customers,just help them with there mulch application. Thanks

I wish you were closer, I'd have you do all of our mulch jobs. 276yrd is a butt load of mulch! that might even be a speacial order. To give my .02 cents, I would buy it in bulk, dump it at the site and sub out the bark blower.

tnmulchblower
01-25-2007, 11:54 AM
I wish you were closer, I'd have you do all of our mulch jobs. 276yrd is a butt load of mulch! that might even be a speacial order. To give my .02 cents, I would buy it in bulk, dump it at the site and sub out the bark blower.

Thanks for the reply nobagger,If I were closer would help you with all your mulch applications. Would like to hear more thoughts and replies.

gringo gardener
01-25-2007, 05:10 PM
for me down here i figure thats almost a full 3 trailer loads of product (90yds ea) ... if its dumped to a close proximity 1 laborer should be able to place 3 yds/hr ... u will benefit by an articulating or skid loader to place materials

most co's will charge 20-25$ man/hr for hand throwing materials while there are several outfits that will blow the product in for about $35/yd depending on materials that can easily be raised to $50 for the customer and still stay competitive

Mr. Vern
01-25-2007, 10:27 PM
tnmulchblower - what is your average size job. My partner has been trying to talk me into a blower, but I just can't see where there would be enough work to keep it busy. We produce mulches and have a materials yard. We sell to a guy with a blower truck on occasion, but I can't see how he keeps that thing busy.

I'd love to hear more about it.

cutbetterthanyou
01-26-2007, 11:07 AM
thanks for the advice i don't think there are any mulch blowers near me though.i had thought like 3 yards and hour but that is really hustling. i'll probally charge 1.5-2 an hours thanks 4 the info

LB1234
01-26-2007, 11:14 AM
thanks for the advice i don't think there are any mulch blowers near me though.i had thought like 3 yards and hour but that is really hustling. i'll probally charge 1.5-2 an hours thanks 4 the info


The mulch blower I found was willing to travel halfway across the state. For over 250 yards I'm sure they'll make an exception.

tnmulchblower
01-26-2007, 11:26 AM
tnmulchblower - what is your average size job. My partner has been trying to talk me into a blower, but I just can't see where there would be enough work to keep it busy. We produce mulches and have a materials yard. We sell to a guy with a blower truck on occasion, but I can't see how he keeps that thing busy.

I'd love to hear more about it.

The avg. of most of our jobs is 35-40 yrds. We have a 10 yrd. minimum. Playgrounds we have applied anywhere from 56 yds up to 230 yds. There are a lot of great opportunities with the Blower Truck,but,the front end cost is quite a lot of change. A new EB30 Express Blower truck costs 300,000.00 new. We purchased our truck from an individual that was upgrading to a new truck,Our truck is a 2003,He had taken great care of it. Before this opportunity came about with the Express Blower truck,I was lookin at the Finn Bark Blowers. That might be an option to get started in the business,The ones I looked at were the 16 yrd models,I had found a Finn Bark Blower in Louisiana,A 2003 Kenworth T300 with the 16 yrd blower for 85,000.00,until the guy with the truck we now have called as we got this truck for a great price. If any more questions feel free to give me a call at 423-773-5240. Hope this was a help. Thanks for the reply

MarcSmith
01-26-2007, 11:44 AM
thanks for the advice i don't think there are any mulch blowers near me though.i had thought like 3 yards and hour but that is really hustling. i'll probally charge 1.5-2 an hours thanks 4 the info

DJ excavating operates out of haymarkey VA. We use themon campus here in DC to blow much tht have several blower,s one of wich is mounted to a tractor trailer...

last year they were charging 30 a yard blown(includeingt he mulch) and 13 a yard delivered of shredded hardwood of a tractor trailer size...

703 754 0499 Ask for Juleen.....Tell her Marc Smith sent ya...

TJLANDS
01-26-2007, 12:50 PM
With one machine(New Holland tractor with mulch bucket) a four man crew can
do a full tractor trailer load(85 yards) in 2 days or less. That doesn't count edging or cleaning out the beds. The mulch blower operations are good if you do not have the manpower or the time to do a big job.

green horizons
01-26-2007, 08:37 PM
I've spread 30yds. of mulch in about 5hrs. with a tractor/FEL and two
guys spreading. Average production per manhour will be 1-4yds with a wheelburrow. It really depends on the distance between the mulch and mulch beds. I can't say how long 265yds. would take, or how I would go about it, without knowing where it's being applied. I also recommend re-measuring the area... I mean, 265yds.?? A university, park, other??

cutbetterthanyou
01-26-2007, 08:40 PM
i am probably going to remeasure because you guy are making me doubt myself
its a apt. complex

LB1234
01-26-2007, 11:21 PM
i am probably going to remeasure because you guy are making me doubt myself
its a apt. complex


measure twice...order correct amount once

BTLS
01-27-2007, 03:56 AM
Yeah, you do not want to have 230 yds delivered to the apt complex and only use 20 or 30 yds.

Armadillolawncare
01-27-2007, 06:12 AM
Man that would really suck,completing a job and having an extra 200 yards of mulch left over. Think you could get a refund from the supplier?

cutbetterthanyou
01-27-2007, 03:50 PM
i am not that far off 1 am thinking going from 267 to may 200 not to 25

TJLANDS
01-27-2007, 04:44 PM
i am not that far off 1 am thinking going from 267 to may 200 not to 25

267 to 200 is a very big adjustment

cutbetterthanyou
01-27-2007, 06:19 PM
i know thats why i am going to remeasure but one of you guys said it would be bad if i ordered 267 and it was 25 i am not that far off is all that i was saying

godzilla
01-28-2007, 09:54 AM
Well, I just did 100 yards of mulch in 2 short days with a 3 man crew and a really junky front end loader that only had a 3/4 yard bucket. Odds are you could do 250 yards in 3 days with a 2 yard front end loader and a 5 man crew. That's 3 days including clean-up.

MarcSmith
01-28-2007, 10:28 AM
267 to 200 is a very big adjustment

i'd have a heart attack if I knew I got an extra 1500 in mulch sitting on a job....And no place to put it....being off 10% isn't bad.. but to be off almost a full truck load on the high side is scary. not as scary as underbidding and losing your as s though....

LB1234
01-28-2007, 12:13 PM
i'd have a heart attack if I knew I got an extra 1500 in mulch sitting on a job....And no place to put it....being off 10% isn't bad.. but to be off almost a full truck load on the high side is scary. not as scary as underbidding and losing your as s though....


10% of 267 yards is 26.7 yards. How isn't that bad? Even at 12/yd thats 320 bucks. Okay that isn't that bad but storing it or loading it/moving it becomes a serious expense.

MarcSmith
01-28-2007, 05:37 PM
10% of 267 yards is 26.7 yards. How isn't that bad? Even at 12/yd thats 320 bucks. Okay that isn't that bad but storing it or loading it/moving it becomes a serious expense.

but he was off about 30%.....on a 200 yard job...I could lose 20 yards very easily...., but to lose a whole truckload is a bit harder. gonna cost you 640 in mulch and labor to lose the extra 20 yards....

Again I can stomach 10% high or low....easy to make it work... if your job called for ten yards and you got 9 or 11 yards delivered...you could do it...

If he quoted the job at 267 and only needed 200...its not the end of the world. as I don't think I'd ever get that much mulch delivered to one site at one time....after the 2nd or 3rd truck load, you'd know wether or not you need the 4th one....

also if you quoted High....you can send them a lower bill explaning the differential( and have a customer for life)....if you quoted too low....try sending them a higher bill and see what happens...

topsites
01-28-2007, 07:03 PM
You are talking delivered AND spread, right?
Because if you're only delivering it, you can stop reading at this point.

So, let's see...
I can usually do 8 cubes / day by myself without further ado.
That's 4 in the morning, 4 in the afternoon.
If I'm feeling productive, 10 / day is not unusual.

But once I get towards 12 / more in one day, the question nags that if I'm totally worn out, then I can't work the next day (and sometimes I can't move for 2-3 days). Yeah, I've heard guys brag about doing 20 and 30 cubes in a day, but then I never get to watch when that happens, right?

I also know someone who thought 8 cubic yards of topsoil wouldn't be bad, too...
I tried to warn him (good thing, he had wanted to do 12 originally), and it took him more than a day (granted, it's heavier).
But it's conclusive: You have to pace yourself, it is HARD work.

Assume 4 guys plus yourself, each one of you can do 12 cubes / day, that's 60 cubes / day total (and that's a LOT of work).

The only other thing is, are you SURE you need that much mulch?
Because 250 cubes cover around 1/2 an acre of land (22,500 square feet).
But, if you're sure then I'd say you're looking at a week's worth of work.
Because there's no WAY anyone could do $12,000 worth of work unless you got a BIG company or some type of industrial equipment to help (that or maybe 20 helpers).
12k worth of work is about 1/3'rd of my annual gross :laugh:
That's 3 months worth of work, at least 2 during peak of season (thou by myself).

topsites
01-28-2007, 07:16 PM
Actually, spread it right, I can cover an entire acre of land with 250 cubes...
43,560 square feet, maybe more.

TJLANDS
01-28-2007, 09:07 PM
Actually, spread it right, I can cover an entire acre of land with 250 cubes...
43,560 square feet, maybe more.

By cube do you mean yard?

250 yards of mulch is not that much for the large condo/townhouse dev. we do. The engineers that are designing these sites today go way overboard on the trees and landscaping. I have one little office building complex that takes 140 yards.

Precision
01-28-2007, 09:35 PM
It all depends on the layout of the property.

I did a bulk dump in a drive way the other day. 14 yards. I had that 14 yards spread around the back yard within 2.5 hours. Admittedly it wasn't into bed, but as a replacement for grass.

Her dogs churned it up faster than it would grow, so mulch was a better idea for her.

but still that was about 5 yards per hour.

I have done 12 yards in 103 degree weather out of my trailer to a wheel barrow to beds around a commercial building and parking lot. Took 5 hours including periodic cool down breaks and constantly having to move the trailer.

But the 267 yards is definately blower truck territory. The blower truck guy I use, routinely travels 100 miles one way.

MarcSmith
01-28-2007, 11:22 PM
top...I helped a freind move 14 tons of crush-n-run in one day. We were putting in a base for a patio and the dump truck was able to only go 25 feet into the yard before he got stuck....one wheel barrow at a time 200 feet...dump spread, and do it again.....UGH.....You are correct, you need to pace yourself or you be dead after a couple days....

this might be time to pick up a couple temp laborers.. Just let them hump the wheel barrows from place to place while you spread the mulch...

Depending on how far away from the road/parking lot some of the beds are, a blower truck might not be an option for all of it...

Travel'n Trees
01-29-2007, 03:33 AM
Top sites, 4 men,1 bobcat to load 1 dump truck, and 4 wheelbarrles to unload the truck 90 yrds every 6 hrs, easy day of work. I would love to do 16 yrds of dirt a day by my self that would be gravy with a dump truck to work from.

markam70
01-29-2007, 03:14 PM
Top sites, 4 men,1 bobcat to load 1 dump truck, and 4 wheelbarrles to unload the truck 90 yrds every 6 hrs, easy day of work. I would love to do 16 yrds of dirt a day by my self that would be gravy with a dump truck to work from.
thats 3-4 min per wheelbarrow (6 cu.ft) to load, wheel, dump, spread, and return to truck for 6 hrs. and not counting the loss of 1 man loading truck when needed. not saying i don't believe you but...well, i don't believe you.

everyone likes to talk how fast they can spread mulch. but what they don't talk about is the quality their work. we can slop it down like the best on them, but we don't. we take our time and a professional approach to this and it shows. no driving the truck across the lawn, leaving a mess in the street or grass, etc. i guess thats why we can get $140-160 per yd and still be turning customers away every spring.

Precision
01-29-2007, 04:13 PM
thats 3-4 min per wheelbarrow (6 cu.ft) to load, wheel, dump, spread, and return to truck for 6 hrs. and not counting the loss of 1 man loading truck when needed. not saying i don't believe you but...well, i don't believe you.

everyone likes to talk how fast they can spread mulch. but what they don't talk about is the quality their work. we can slop it down like the best on them, but we don't. we take our time and a professional approach to this and it shows. no driving the truck across the lawn, leaving a mess in the street or grass, etc. i guess thats why we can get $140-160 per yd and still be turning customers away every spring.

you smell rotten fish with his story, I smell rotten fish with $140-160 per yard.
delivered and installed gets 50-$70 around here. The blower truck charges less than $40 per yard (to landscapers) and a bit more to retail clients, plus trip charge with a 20 yd minimum and he sells his mulch retail for $22 a yard.

bag mulch at home depot is $30-38 per yard.

Why would anyone pay you that kind of money ($100+ per hour) to spread mulch?


Hey if you can get it then more power to you, but I am a little skeptical.

markam70
01-29-2007, 04:45 PM
i can understand you being skeptical.
first of all...our mulch is 100% red oak bark which holds color longer than mixed hardwood. its ground twice and mixed with compost then ground again, then aged for at least 90 days. retail price is 28.00/yard. by far the best mulch in this area.

there are many properties here that are 2nd homes/vacation properties owned by dc/nova residents. they want quality work and are willing to pay our prices. one contract that we service requires 37 yds of mulch. his invoice from last year was $5840. that didn't include cleanup, edging or any other service.

like i said earlier, we do not cut corners. no driving thru the lawn, no forking it off the truck and moving on, etc. every bit is wheelbarrowed regardless of distance and spread with rakes leaving a SMOOTH layer of mulch.

our industry is about improving a property's appearance, and by providing quality work, we can set and get our prices. sorry if this smells fishy but thats the facts.

MarcSmith
01-29-2007, 05:00 PM
markam, it sounds like you are in my neck of the woods. who is your supplier?

Marc

qualitylawnmanagement
01-29-2007, 05:03 PM
My guys and I can have 6 yards done in an hr.

Travel'n Trees
01-29-2007, 06:18 PM
Sorry Markam, but it isn't hard and we are wheeling it. And no driving across yards and no left left over messes. Hope you can get $1040 per man a hour to spread mulch.

markam70
01-29-2007, 07:01 PM
i never said it was hard. in fact, its just like cutting grass. any idiot can do it, its all about the end result and how well it looks and how much its worth to the customer.

as for the $1040 per hour, i'm not sure where that figure came from. we don't price by the yard. our invoices for mulching average $140-160 per yard.

for everyone doing these ridiculous number of yards per hour, i guess you prefer quantity over quality. as for us, we'll take quality.

Precision
01-29-2007, 07:03 PM
i can understand you being skeptical.
first of all...our mulch is 100% red oak bark which holds color longer than mixed hardwood. its ground twice and mixed with compost then ground again, then aged for at least 90 days. retail price is 28.00/yard. by far the best mulch in this area.

there are many properties here that are 2nd homes/vacation properties owned by dc/nova residents. they want quality work and are willing to pay our prices. one contract that we service requires 37 yds of mulch. his invoice from last year was $5840. that didn't include cleanup, edging or any other service.

like i said earlier, we do not cut corners. no driving thru the lawn, no forking it off the truck and moving on, etc. every bit is wheelbarrowed regardless of distance and spread with rakes leaving a SMOOTH layer of mulch.

our industry is about improving a property's appearance, and by providing quality work, we can set and get our prices. sorry if this smells fishy but thats the facts.

it must be nice to have people who are predominantly concerned with quality and not price. Most of the rest of us have it the other way around.

My price on cypress chip is $30 per yard. I get $70 per yard for product and installation and usually charge a $35 delivery fee. And that is pretty close to the top of the market. But this chip has a nice strawberry blonde color and lasts twice as long as the finely shredded colored mulch. My smart clients pay a little extra for this.

markam70
01-29-2007, 07:11 PM
it must be nice to have people who are predominantly concerned with quality and not price. Most of the rest of us have it the other way around.

My price on cypress chip is $30 per yard. I get $70 per yard for product and installation and usually charge a $35 delivery fee. And that is pretty close to the top of the market. But this chip has a nice strawberry blonde color and lasts twice as long as the finely shredded colored mulch. My smart clients pay a little extra for this.

like i said, anyone can do this. you have to set yourself from the other guys. volume works for some people. i'm sure your area is loaded with "landscapers". take your time and do a professional job and you'll attract the clients who desire quality and are willing to pay extra for it.

cutbetterthanyou
01-29-2007, 09:32 PM
i never said it was hard. in fact, its just like cutting grass. any idiot can do it, its all about the end result and how well it looks and how much its worth to the customer.

as for the $1040 per hour, i'm not sure where that figure came from. we don't price by the yard. our invoices for mulching average $140-160 per yard.

for everyone doing these ridiculous number of yards per hour, i guess you prefer quantity over quality. as for us, we'll take quality

markam70 by this last line you wrote i think you have it all wrong on what i am asking it is not a quality or quantity thing. the thing is , i am bidding a 12 mounth contract on grass and landscapeing on a very big place, i am trying to bid to, 1make money, 2 get the job, 3 not lost my a** by underbidding and 4 most importantly get to a different town with high quilty accoutts. i do quality work like you said, never drive across a lawn in the truck (who would do that anyway i wont even drive across on my mower afther i cut it) ,bed edge every thing if they ask or not, never leave a mess or anything like that. i am not trying to bid so cheap i hardly make anything. i just do not have customers like you where i can charge what i want. i am in a town where looks are not everything price and a good job is. people here don't have sod yards or irrigation, your lucky to git a landscape job over 5 k.the town where this appt.complex is has all of the nice accoutts and that is where i am trying to move some of my buss to with out losing my a** thats all i am trying to do not low bid to make a quick buck

Travel'n Trees
01-29-2007, 09:39 PM
I don't pay for advertising but my work ends up in at least 15 periodicals a year. I dare to compare quality. The mulch I use goes for 30 and 32 a yard retail. It comes down to how you do it and your equipment that you use. 1 person should be able to install 8 yards a hour easily. 8 yards per hour X $130 profit per yard = $1040 per person per hour How much do you pay your help for that kind of return? I'd like to have a crew their 1 day $ 8320 per person. How much do you get for dirt?

markam70
01-29-2007, 10:11 PM
I don't pay for advertising but my work ends up in at least 15 periodicals a year. I dare to compare quality. The mulch I use goes for 30 and 32 a yard retail. It comes down to how you do it and your equipment that you use. 1 person should be able to install 8 yards a hour easily. 8 yards per hour X $130 profit per yard = $1040 per person per hour How much do you pay your help for that kind of return? I'd like to have a crew their 1 day $ 8320 per person. How much do you get for dirt?

let me put this in terms even you can understand.....We don't rush through a mulch install. 8 yards/ hr is rushing it.... if not impossible. Our guys are not expected to produce 8yards/hr. At that rate, you are compromising quality.

i'd like to see someone install 8 yard/hr by hand. in fact, i'll pay someone to do it just so i can see it done.

now, if you'd like to put your money where your mouth is, i'll buy you a plane ticket here and we'll measure 8 yards and see what you got. 8 yards in 60 minutes...whats that worth? according to you, thats $1040. under an hr i'll give you $1040, over an hr and you give me $1040 plus the plane ticket cost if this sounds like a plan to you, let me know where to send the ticket.

and, by the way, bring cash. i don't take checks

LB1234
01-29-2007, 11:48 PM
8 yards is 216 cubic feet. With a 10 cubic yard wheel barrel thats about 20 trips. That would mean you would have to load, transport, dump, spread, and return in three minutes...


you can't be serious:confused:

Travel'n Trees
01-30-2007, 02:58 AM
Hello? How do you guys do it? I weld in three grain chutes. and it dumps straight into wheel barrow with no scooping. My beds are always high enough to lift bed all the way up without a problem.

MarcSmith
01-30-2007, 10:36 AM
1 person should be able to install 8 yards a hour easily.

let assume that all the mulch is on site, so your travel time is a few minutes mulch pile to bed location...start with an empty truck. lets assume that your truck holds 8 yards of mulch....and your skid loader bucket is one cubic yard, and the wheel barrow is in the locatoin you need it to be at.

5 minutes to load the truck, 3 minutes to move truck to new location, get out of truck and prepare to mulch.

52 minutes

30 seconds to load a 10cuft wheel barrow, times 21.6 times 10.8 minutes

41.2 minutes left

60 seconds to travel from the truck to the mulch area times 21.6 times 21.6 minutes

19.6 minutes remaining

30 seconds to spread 10 cubic feet of mulch 21.6 times --10.8 minutes

8.8 minutes remain

30 seconds to return to truck(no weight in wheel barrow) 21.6 times 10.8 minutes

2 minutes over budget....of one hour...

At an pace of 2 miles per hour you wheel barrow guy can traverse up to 176 feet.

can it be done. maybe, but you still need to calculate all of your variables like travel time from your shop to the job site, moving tools equipment and wheel barrows from bed to bed, climbing in and out of truck and skid loaders....

I'm happy to have one guy move and spread 8 yards in a day. and still have something left in him to come back and do it again the next day.....Maybe I'm just a lazy SOB but I mulched my own house last year, 6 yards and i worked off of an asphalt drive 60 feet from my beds. mulch, edge, clean, up. 10 hours....I was pretty whipped by the end of the day....

I'm with markam. I'll split the cost of a plane ticket....I'd even go far to say that if you dumped 8 yards in a parking lot and had to spread it around to an even depht of 3 inches by hand, you could not do it in an hour...

Precision
01-30-2007, 11:14 AM
I'm with markam. I'll split the cost of a plane ticket....I'd even go far to say that if you dumped 8 yards in a parking lot and had to spread it around to an even depht of 3 inches by hand, you could not do it in an hour...

not trying to pick a fight, but I could certainly do that.

I don't think a solo act could really spread 8 yds an hour. Maybe in the perfect situation and hopped up on speed, they could do it once and be spent.

An alternative is bag mulch. I find that to be quicker in longer distance transport locations. you can fill up the wheel barrow with way more mulch and drop them off at proper intervals. Then once all the bags are dispersed open and dump all then return and spread. it goes quick. It is much quicker doing it assembly line manner and way quicker with 2 people than the bulk transfer method.

But still 8yds solo is a killer
16 yds with a 2 man team is killer but not quite as bad
24 yds with a 3 man team is really bad too.

Anyway you slice it (without serious mechanical aid) that is a blistering pace to uphold.

Blower trucks peak performance (not including setup time) is 70 yds per hour and that is applying 10" depth in a small playground area. In a realistic landscape and bed setting you are looking at 20-25 yards as the MAXIMUM per hour.

MarcSmith
01-30-2007, 12:41 PM
I am having two pallets of mulch dropped at my house this spring. I agree it shoudl be easier. but the extra cost from a business standpoint may be too much....have plastic bags blowing around the property to keep track of and then all the wooden pallets...to store and toss....

Bags are great for tree rings. one or two bags per ring and get on to the next.

Travel'n Trees
01-30-2007, 01:20 PM
8 solo is alot but 16 for 2 would be alot easier you should never have to get in back of truck. Maybe you don't have the equipment set up for this.

markam70
01-30-2007, 01:30 PM
An alternative is bag mulch. I find that to be quicker in longer distance transport locations. you can fill up the wheel barrow with way more mulch and drop them off at proper intervals. Then once all the bags are dispersed open and dump all then return and spread. it goes quick. It is much quicker doing it assembly line manner and way quicker with 2 people than the bulk transfer method.

i do agree that bagged mulch can be faster in the right situation, however, 8 yards is still almost impossible in my opinion. 8 yards bagged would be 72 bags (3 cu. ft bag) to be unloaded, wheeled, opened, and spread in 60 minutes.

markam70
01-30-2007, 01:34 PM
Top sites, 4 men,1 bobcat to load 1 dump truck, and 4 wheelbarrles to unload the truck 90 yrds every 6 hrs, easy day of work. I would love to do 16 yrds of dirt a day by my self that would be gravy with a dump truck to work from.
just rereading this and i have a question. at 8 yards per hr as you've stated, shouldn't you have knocked this out in about 3 hrs? actually, you should be able to do 96 yards in 3 hrs and move on to the next job.

Travel'n Trees
01-30-2007, 04:26 PM
more people slow it down some but you can keep the volume for getting it done in one day. Last year we did it a total of 15 times it went smooth like gravy. Hopefully we could do it more it was easy money.

Precision
01-30-2007, 06:38 PM
i do agree that bagged mulch can be faster in the right situation, however, 8 yards is still almost impossible in my opinion. 8 yards bagged would be 72 bags (3 cu. ft bag) to be unloaded, wheeled, opened, and spread in 60 minutes.

True. 8 yds other than a dump and spread situation is fairly impossible for a solo.

In my area bag mulch is not much more expensive than bulk mulch. As far as the bags. rip off the top from one and stuff all the others into it as you go. A bag full of bags won't blow very far.

All that said, the mulch I prefer only comes in bulk, so I am stuck with that.

An aside. I HATE colored mulch.