250,000 door hangers

[smarino21]

How much time do you think it would take to put out 250k door hangers with how many guys i wanna hit the same homes like 5 times? has any one done this many or rough idea how many 1k take with 1 guy type of numbers?

[ACutAbovesiny]

Wow...thats alot of door hangers. Where are you getting them and how much??

It really depends on how close the houses are to each other. In my area the houses are right on top of each other so we could put out about 450-500 per hour per man.

You could get them all out in 2 days with 5 guys but you said you want to double up on each house. So I would suggest sending 4 guys out for like 5 hours twice a week. Thats still only 20,000 per week. It would take 13 weeks to send them all out.

[grass disaster]

lets see what it looks like

[Adam's Lawn and Garden]

That is a rediculous amount of dour hangers. That is one costly investment. Which IMO could be spent elsewhere. Also, i wouldn't recommend hitting the same house 5 times, probably like twice max. If someone kept on giving me flyers and i wasn't interested i would start to get Pissed off. Just my two cents, i am going to do door flyers too, but only in certain neighborhoods, and they're going to have a price on them per cut.

adam

[ACutAbovesiny]

I agree with the repetition. Maybe not 5 times but 3 or 4 is a great idea.

[ACutAbovesiny]

that is a huge expense though. the cheapest I have found them is for $300 for 10,000. That would be $7,500 for 250,000. If I where you I'd do about half that (which is still alot).

[Team-Green L&L]

Somebody is thinking WAY too big!!!

[ACutAbovesiny]

Think about getting just 1% of them to accept. Thats 2500 customers. Good luck with that kind of increase.

[DUSTYCEDAR]

i bet u cant get a 1000 out a day it just takes to long to walk house to house and then move to the neighborhoods u want to be in just my opin if u do it please put up some numbers u put out a day

[Vikings]

Normal yards (distance) and cutting across properties (a necessity) One guy can do about a hundred an hour but they play out after 6 hours. I hire guys all the time to deliver flyers (day labour). I'm talking flyers to, Door hangers take longer because You have to stand there and fiddle.

[Team-Green L&L]

The fact is that this is simply a ridiculous statement. Our entire working area holds 73,000 homes that are worth bothering with and we're only hitting 10,000 hard. This was a waste of time and money, but you'll have a whole bunch of material that, in 6 months will look embarrassing, laying around collecting dust.

Never order over 10,000 units of any ad. Order bulk in forms and contracts if you feel like blowing money!

[StBalor]

The fact is that this is simply a ridiculous statement. Our entire working area holds 73,000 homes that are worth bothering with and we're only hitting 10,000 hard. This was a waste of time and money, but you'll have a whole bunch of material that, in 6 months will look embarrassing, laying around collecting dust.

Never order over 10,000 units of any ad. Order bulk in forms and contracts if you feel like blowing money!


Agreed, unles he plans on useing them over the years till he runs out. If he got a really good deal, I got see stock piling them. ecspecially if he intends on staying in the business for the long haul. But that is an awefully lot of doorhangers.

[UpNorth]

The fact is that this is simply a ridiculous statement. !


I agree, this could be the dumbest thread I've ever seen on here. But somehow I got sucked in like the rest of you and had to say something.

Next we'll be discussing... "How do I mow (fert, mulch, whatever), the 2500 accounts I just sold from my door hanger marketing?"

[Vikings]

I design my own flyers and everything, I have never used the same thing twice. I even wish I could make changes while the flyers are going out.

[ACutAbovesiny]

Anyone else have an opinion?

[grass disaster]

Anyone else have an opinion?

yeah! what do they look like?

[ACutAbovesiny]

He didnt describe them but I'd love to get a look at them too.

[toac]

What about taking the money and putting that towards postcards. Get a nice postcard made and have them mailed out. 250k doorhangers will take forever to passout. I'm all about passing out doorhangers, but 250k, I'm too lazy for that.

[bcg]

The most I was ever able to get was 800 - 1000 per person per day and that was with me driving them around making sure they didn't slack off. If you can supervise or have someone you can really trust, you should be able to get 50k out in a week with 10 guys.

[Tony Clifton]

The most I was ever able to get was 800 - 1000 per person per day and that was with me driving them around making sure they didn't slack off. If you can supervise or have someone you can really trust, you should be able to get 50k out in a week with 10 guys.

How much work did you sell after putting out 50k doorhangers?

[bullethead]

I agree, this could be the dumbest thread I've ever seen on here. But somehow I got sucked in like the rest of you and had to say something.

Next we'll be discussing... "How do I mow (fert, mulch, whatever), the 2500 accounts I just sold from my door hanger marketing?"

You do it with about 17 trucks...it aint rocket science

Why is this a dumb thread? Nothing wrong, in my opinion, with trying to scale up ones business. If he has the processes in place, he can handle the growth. What's dumb is living one's myopic little world and not keeping an open mind to new business ideas. Do you have a paycheck generating mechanism or do you own a company - maybe this guy is looking to graduate to owning a company.

So what, the guy wants to drop $30-40k promoting his businness, bfd. Millions of companies spend much more annually.

Anytime someone comes on here with aspirations more ambitious than the herd, the herd simply shoots him/her down. Believe it or not there are quite a few landscape companies that gross more than $1million a year, but for some reason they don't appear to frequent this site.

[wurkn with amish]

Instead of going to the door(which in most cases aren't used that often anymore) put them on the mailbox flag or the cubby hole under the box?

[DUSTYCEDAR]

mailbox flag not legal

[UpNorth]

You do it with about 17 trucks...it aint rocket science

Why is this a dumb thread? Nothing wrong, in my opinion, with trying to scale up ones business. If he has the processes in place, he can handle the growth. What's dumb is living one's myopic little world and not keeping an open mind to new business ideas. Do you have a paycheck generating mechanism or do you own a company - maybe this guy is looking to graduate to owning a company.

So what, the guy wants to drop $30-40k promoting his businness, bfd. Millions of companies spend much more annually.

Anytime someone comes on here with aspirations more ambitious than the herd, the herd simply shoots him/her down. Believe it or not there are quite a few landscape companies that gross more than $1million a year, but for some reason they don't appear to frequent this site.

The bottom line is if your company is that big your not wasting your guys time to hang door hangers. If your company is that big most your guys are busy year round.

"Millions of companies spend more annualy" Your kidding? Didn't know that? Millions spend more monthly! But not with 250,000 door hangers.

"Ambitious..." come on, its ambitious yes but more ridiculous than ambitious.

17 Trucks huh? You got it figured out! The big problem here is the guy who started this thread didn't chime back in. How many guys does he have to hand these out. If he get the 2500 accounts hows his credit? is he going to be able to buy 17 trucks, mowers, not to mention 30 some employees. How bout hes shop space will it handle such a large company.

And me not being a mowing guy,let me ask you all... how many companies that mow one or two counties(cause if your handing out door hangers your not a regional/national company) cut 2500 lawns a week? I'm serious, I don't know.

250,000 door hangers is stupid I don't care what you say!!



AND TO THE GUY WHO STARTED THIS THREAD "smarino21"... How bout getting back on here and responding to us!!

[mikefromny]

Anyone else have an opinion?

Staten island :clapping: , great for landscaping ..bang out so many houses in one day cause there so close !

[bullethead]

250,000 door hangers is stupid I don't care what you say!!

!


That's cool - just keep those blinders on. Obviously, you have it all figured out.

[smarino21]

Ok Here I Am ,

What Is Such A Big Deal If I Wanted To Try To Grow, You Think Big Companies Got Big By Word Of Mouth (maybe After 40yrs) But I Dont Have 40yrs To Wait. I Love The Responses Thank You All And Up North Why Dont You Take It Easy On Me Reposting To This Site Because If I Dont Check This Site Every 2 Hrs Like Yourself.bullethead I Appreciate Your Help I Like How You Said The Heard That Is So True. Think Out Side Of The Box Thats All I Can Say If I Think Like The Heard I Will Be The Heard.

[beano]

Holy Crap. Someones getting in over their head!

[Victor]

There's absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to grow a business, but how you grow your business can be detrimental to the wellbeing of that company. Undoubtedly you've both heard about the dangers of growing a company too fast. That's because there ARE blatantly obvious dangers assosiated with falling into the "I want to grow my company too fast trap." The guys on here that were recommending against your desire to grow so fast were doing you a favor. If you did add on 2500 customers in one year, I'm sure it would sink your company. How many customers do you have now?
There's nothing wrong with wanting to grow a huge business, you just need to make sure that you don't get there too quickly, or you'll suffer comparably sized growing pains.

[bullethead]

There's absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to grow a business, but how you grow your business can be detrimental to the wellbeing of that company. Undoubtedly you've both heard about the dangers of growing a company too fast. That's because there ARE blatantly obvious dangers assosiated with falling into the "I want to grow my company too fast trap." The guys on here that were recommending against your desire to grow so fast were doing you a favor. If you did add on 2500 customers in one year, I'm sure it would sink your company. How many customers do you have now?
There's nothing wrong with wanting to grow a huge business, you just need to make sure that you don't get there too quickly, or you'll suffer comparably sized growing pains.

You are absolutely correct, it can sink your company if you don't have the financing, personnel and processes in place to manage the growth. I have never said it would not.

What irritates me is guys immediately stomping on people that want to do something besides follow the "herd"

Personally, I will say that I don't think Smarino will pick up 2,500 on 250,000 flyers - the range of accounts he will pick up will most likely fall b/t 150 - 800. Those numbers are definitely manageable.

[bcg]

How much work did you sell after putting out 50k doorhangers?

We actually put out 10k in a week with 2 guys and signed roughly 75 accounts off that in the 2 weeks following.

[Jay's Lawncare]

Somebody is thinking WAY too big!!!

Is that possible?

[smarino21]

Definetly Not you think the owners of google,coke,starbucks,dominos thought they were thinking on the same level as the heard.

[smarino21]

NO WAY They were because you havent heard about the heard becasue they out ran the heard

[Team-Green L&L]

Is that possible?

Yes, it is possible and happens quite often. Have you ever seen "Pursuit of Happiness" with Will Smith? He lost everything because he invested "all his eggs" into a product that had some hidden issues. Marketing is much the same way. By ordering thousands of dollars of flyers that will take hundreds of man hours to distribute. Let's see "Is that possible?" Absolutely!!!

[mikefromny]

You are absolutely correct, it can sink your company if you don't have the financing, personnel and processes in place to manage the growth. I have never said it would not.

What irritates me is guys immediately stomping on people that want to do something besides follow the "herd"

Personally, I will say that I don't think Smarino will pick up 2,500 on 250,000 flyers - the range of accounts he will pick up will most likely fall b/t 150 - 800. Those numbers are definitely manageable.

1 percent your getting 2500 calls if u get half of the calls you get 1250 clients

[ACutAbovesiny]

We actually put out 10k in a week with 2 guys and signed roughly 75 accounts off that in the 2 weeks following.

Now this is an example of realistic percentages. 1% of 10,000 doorhangers is 100 call backs. If you can close on 75% of them you are a great closer.

[Victor]

You are absolutely correct, it can sink your company if you don't have the financing, personnel and processes in place to manage the growth. I have never said it would not.

What irritates me is guys immediately stomping on people that want to do something besides follow the "herd"

Personally, I will say that I don't think Smarino will pick up 2,500 on 250,000 flyers - the range of accounts he will pick up will most likely fall b/t 150 - 800. Those numbers are definitely manageable.

Smarino's profile says that he's only been doing business for 2 years. That tells me that more than likely he isn't set up to service too many lawns right now. Let's say he lands 500 new lawns, which would be quite a few less than the 800 new customers you said would be "manageable" for him to service. Let's break this down and see how the math looks. For him to service an additional 500 lawns a week, that would mean that his company would have to service on average, 100 lawns a day if he worked 5 days a week. That would mean if each crew he hired was able to knock out 20 lawns a day, he would still need 5 crews to complete his weekly routes on time. That's if you don't account for breakdowns, having to double-cut lawns in the Spring (if he cares about keeping his customers happy), work stoppages due to bad weather, etc.
Anyone who's done this type of work knows there are going to be stumbling blocks that will pop up to impede your ability to finish your work. If you grow a company at a controlled pace, your company will be able to handle these setbacks and problems more easily.
The issue that the guys and I are hitting on here, is not that it's a bad idea for Smarino to grow his business that much. We just find fault with him trying to grow that much OVERNIGHT. There's a reason why the "herd" stays together Bullethead. We've all seen nature shows where a cavalier wildebeest decided to separate itself from the herd (maybe because it felt the herd wasn't moving fast enough). That wildebeest doesn't last very long at all.
The huge corporations Smarino mentioned like google,coke,starbucks and dominos didin't get to be as big as they are overnight. They got that large after years of careful planning and MANAGEABLE growth. There are companies like America West Airlines (who I used to work for), that more than double their size overnight by merging with another company like US Airways. This is a totally different situation though, because they aren't just acquiring new customers when a deal like that goes down. They're also acquiring the workforce and systems that have been in place for years to service all of those extra customers.
I'm not trying to keep Smarino from realizing his dreams here. I'm just trying to keep his company from being eaten by a lion. I hope you'll realize that I'm just trying to help you here.

[bullethead]

Look I don't know smarino or anyone else on this forum, nor do I know the level of their business or their related business acumen. Smarino had a previous thread about putting out 250,000 door hangers and asked if anyone had any experience doing this - I told him that I did it last year.

It appears that he is now interested in doing the same thing. More power to him.

Since everyone else is much more well versed in the matter, I am just going to bow out of this little discussion.

[Total.Lawn.Care]

The way I see this, is you have ot attract the calls to grow a business. If he puts out the Door Hangers in steady stages, he will see a pattern to his response rate and closing rate. He then will be able to estimate how much he will be able to grow if he keeps up the same effort. Therefore, he can put together a business plan to obtain financial backing for the growth if he desires.

Another option, is that when he fills up all he can handle, he can always begin to pick and choose accounts, adn had the newer calls (old customers he does not want) to other LCOs so that he still keeps his company growing at a steady rate.

I say go for it, but with caution. However, I to feel that 250,000 is overkill. Even 100K is alot, but more in reason with multiple distributions.

[HOOLIE]

The LCO I used to work for put out flyers and doorhangers on a level with this, typically 200k to 300k per year. The response rate was more like 3/4 of 1%. The success of this venture really depends on your structure now...

For instance, during peak season (say 3/15 thru 5/15) we would get anywhere from 35 to 50 calls PER DAY...this sounds great, but, it would take over an hour to get all the info down and write up the contracts. Then normally at least one person doing estimates all day...if not 2 people. With any luck the people wouldn't be home so you could just buzz in and out of there. So of course you have to be prepared for this. On a Monday there might be 75+ estimates to do with all the people that called between noon Sat. and all day Sunday. And they gotta get done...or they keep piling up...

Besides all the extra equipment and trucks to buy (and a place to store them...if you do this from home the neighbors might not appreciate 20 employees showing up at 6:30 every morning :laugh: ) you will need to find GOOD EMPLOYEES to do all the work you just worked so hard to get. If you already have 10 crews and systems in place this might not be so bad...but if you're going from one crew to 10 crews, that's most likely a recipe for disaster.

To the original question, I have no idea how long it takes to distribute 250k doorhangers. We used 3-4 different flyer distribution companies to pass them out for the most part. Almost all of them really.

[nlminc]

Hire a couple of Kenyans! Man, they win almost every marathon here in the States. Maybe if you are lucky and they are good with their spears they may not even have to touch a door.....move even faster!!! :usflag:

[Turfdoctor1]

Ok Here I Am ,

What Is Such A Big Deal If I Wanted To Try To Grow, You Think Big Companies Got Big By Word Of Mouth (maybe After 40yrs) But I Dont Have 40yrs To Wait. I Love The Responses Thank You All And Up North Why Dont You Take It Easy On Me Reposting To This Site Because If I Dont Check This Site Every 2 Hrs Like Yourself.bullethead I Appreciate Your Help I Like How You Said The Heard That Is So True. Think Out Side Of The Box Thats All I Can Say If I Think Like The Heard I Will Be The Heard.



well, obviously you can't check the forums every two hours, you are way too busy putting out door hangers. or, if i wrote like you, "YoU R WAy TWO BUSy WitH DoR HANgers."

I don't know why i care, but I think that this thread is hilarious. So, to answer your original question with my personal opinion, I'm guessing you are looking at about 2500 hours, minimum to put out those door hangers. The guys that answered and said that they could put out a lot more than that are located in NY. I'm guessing that lot size, etc. are a little different in their area.

Please do not spell "herd" "heard" anymore.

[stevesmowing]

has anyone else here heard of the segway. It was invented by Dean Kamen and is a 2 wheeled scooter but self balances when you step off and can go around 20 mph. I think that would be a great tool for advertising with door hangers. Zip up and down driveways and down streets. Hop off to stick it on the door while the scooter remains up right and on to the next house. the webpage for them is http://www.segway.com/

[Turfdoctor1]

has anyone else here heard of the segway. It was invented by Dean Kamen and is a 2 wheeled scooter but self balances when you step off and can go around 20 mph. I think that would be a great tool for advertising with door hangers. Zip up and down driveways and down streets. Hop off to stick it on the door while the scooter remains up right and on to the next house. the webpage for them is http://www.segway.com/

i'm going to have to disagree with the segway idea. In theory, it sounds like a very good idea, but it isn't the easiest thing to get around on. Plus, you need both hands to direct it. Carrying the door hangers would be pretty difficult. IMO, i think you would be better off walking, not to mention the expense of the machine.

[mattfromNY]

WOW! Thats all I have to say. I'm going into my second year. I serviced 40 lawns this past year with one helper, plus doing all kinds of other stuff, gutter cleaning, firewood, painting, whatever it takes to make a buck... I'm shuttering at the idea of paying someone for 2500 hours of work to hang door hangers, then at 1% sign up ratio (I actually do better than that, but I'm in a small town); buying at least 13.89 truck/ trailer/ mower combos, hire 13.89 crews to mow 30 (if they are all small lawns) lawns a day for 6 days a week, getting back to all the customers for estimates in a timely manner, keeping track of all route schedules, billing, material purchases, insurance, repairs, employee relations, customer relations, etc................GOOD LUCK TO YOU!!! You need to write a book if you are successful! I am not joking, I just think you would need to be superman, and have a LOT better credit line than I have to even get this thing started!!! Please keep us informed of your progress. I am a very ambitious player in this business, but this is REALLY outside the box.

[sunriseturf]

I once had my guys zip around in roller blades. All Mailboxes on streets and totally illegal. I did it anyway. Back in my young and dumber days. They looked completely ridiculous and I loved it.

[J Hisch]

Go get them Smario, every one also said Just mow it could not it, but ask him how many door hangers he puts out. Has anyone ever thought maybe he will have help putting them out? Did he mention that he was going to do them all this spring? May he is going to put them out in 50,000 increments. throughout the 07 season. I love it when someone tells me I cant do something. Most peple say you cant do something because they 1. arent willing to do it themself or 2. They are stuck on a truck mowing some yards. I direct my business, I dont drive it all day. I hate it when someone wants to bash a man. I hope passes all you non supportive bums up. You know who you are.

[Team-Green L&L]

If you are really planning on putting out that many I'd advise you to use a company to distribute them. It costs .11-.14 per flier.

[Victor]

Go get them Smario, every one also said Just mow it could not it, but ask him how many door hangers he puts out. Has anyone ever thought maybe he will have help putting them out? Did he mention that he was going to do them all this spring? May he is going to put them out in 50,000 increments. throughout the 07 season. I love it when someone tells me I cant do something. Most peple say you cant do something because they 1. arent willing to do it themself or 2. They are stuck on a truck mowing some yards. I direct my business, I dont drive it all day. I hate it when someone wants to bash a man. I hope passes all you non supportive bums up. You know who you are.

I think you're missing the point some of the guys (me included) were trying to make. I didn't see anyone on here bash the guy for wanting to grow his business. We were just warning him about the dangers of growing his business too fast. It's impossible to know how many new customers he'll be able to add this year with his advertising campaign. He might have a poor response, or the response might be tremendous. If he's placed in a situation where he could take on too many customers, it would be to his benefit to be cognizant of the problems that more than likely would result from growing too quickly.
Are you're calling me a bum because I'm giving him the same advice any business consultant would give him? I want him to grow his business as large as he wants and then some, but if I can alert him to something that would be detrimental to his business, I'm going do it. Whether it's advice he asked for or not, it's good that he's been warned. It's up to him to decide if he wants to heed that good advice.

[Lawntime Mowers]

Forget all the money you would need to pull it off, how about the time and man power.

OK, so say you do put together a team that can deliver 25k door hangers...what's the next step?

Lets say you actually get a 1% return....then what?

If you spend 5 minutes driving to ONE of those returns and 10 minutes giving a bid. That's a ultra fast bid that takes only fifteen minutes...Now times that by 2500. Four bids per hour times eight hour work day is 32 bids per day.
Five day work week is 160 bid.

So say you have four guys giving bids and work twelve hour days.
That's 960 houses per week.
At that rate it will take you 2 1/2 weeks to cover all the bids.

Those number are in a perfect world. If the drive or bid time goes up the 2 1/2 weeks turns into months. Nobody will Waite months for a bid.

There are several large LCO's that do these numbers every year but have the funds and man power to pull it off. If you have to ask the question your not ready for that can of worms.

[HOOLIE]

Forget all the money you would need to pull it off, how about the time and man power.

OK, so say you do put together a team that can deliver 25k door hangers...what's the next step?

Lets say you actually get a 1% return....then what?

If you spend 5 minutes driving to ONE of those returns and 10 minutes giving a bid. That's a ultra fast bid that takes only fifteen minutes...Now times that by 2500. Four bids per hour times eight hour work day is 32 bids per day.
Five day work week is 160 bid.

So say you have four guys giving bids and work twelve hour days.
That's 960 houses per week.
At that rate it will take you 2 1/2 weeks to cover all the bids.

Those number are in a perfect world. If the drive or bid time goes up the 2 1/2 weeks turns into months. Nobody will Waite months for a bid.

There are several large LCO's that do these numbers every year but have the funds and man power to pull it off. If you have to ask the question your not ready for that can of worms.

Uh...math error!! 1% of 25k is 250...not 2,500.

Otherwise, yes like I mentioned earlier you just have to make sure you have the ability to handle all the estimates. On the real busy estimating days if it was just a mowing estimate, I wouldn't bother walking the lawn...just write down the price and run up and put in on the door. Hopefully they weren't home and I'd be in and out in a couple minutes.

[Turfdoctor1]

Uh...math error!! 1% of 25k is 250...not 2,500.

Otherwise, yes like I mentioned earlier you just have to make sure you have the ability to handle all the estimates. On the real busy estimating days if it was just a mowing estimate, I wouldn't bother walking the lawn...just write down the price and run up and put in on the door. Hopefully they weren't home and I'd be in and out in a couple minutes.


i think he meant 250K, cause that's what the thread is all about. his math is right, he just mistyped 25k instead of 250k.

[Lawntime Mowers]

Uh...math error!! 1% of 25k is 250...not 2,500.

Otherwise, yes like I mentioned earlier you just have to make sure you have the ability to handle all the estimates. On the real busy estimating days if it was just a mowing estimate, I wouldn't bother walking the lawn...just write down the price and run up and put in on the door. Hopefully they weren't home and I'd be in and out in a couple minutes.

LOL! :hammerhead: Well that the last time I'll post after 2:00 am....I obviously can't read or do math.
I think it was 250K I was trying to type.

I'm like you when you prefer they not be home. Makes bid much quicker.
I can do an average of 4 bid per hour if they're not home and 2 if they are.
If you rush a bid they think that's the service you'll provide if they hire you.

[mattfromNY]

Doesnt matter how quick you can leave a bid if there's no one home. If you left me a bid and I wasnt home, You'd never hear from me again. You sure as hell wouldn't be mowing my lawn. I take the time to become familiar with each of my clients and know what their wants and needs are, and cross my 'T's and dot my 'I's with a contract/ proposal. Just how I do things, but I think people appreciate a little more attention to their project. To you and I, they are just another buck in the wallet at the end of the week, and hopefully we can get in and out without a bunch of BS or small talk, but to them, their lawn is the only one they give a $hit about, Its their curb appeal, their little piece of heaven, their first impression whenever someone sees their home, and you should do all you can to make it appear you feel the same way!

[bullethead]

Doesnt matter how quick you can leave a bid if there's no one home. If you left me a bid and I wasnt home, You'd never hear from me again. You sure as hell wouldn't be mowing my lawn. I take the time to become familiar with each of my clients and know what their wants and needs are, and cross my 'T's and dot my 'I's with a contract/ proposal. Just how I do things, but I think people appreciate a little more attention to their project. To you and I, they are just another buck in the wallet at the end of the week, and hopefully we can get in and out without a bunch of BS or small talk, but to them, their lawn is the only one they give a $hit about, Its their curb appeal, their little piece of heaven, their first impression whenever someone sees their home, and you should do all you can to make it appear you feel the same way!

That's certainly one way of looking at it, just make sure you charge enough money for all of the handholding you plan on doing. These are what I refer to as full service customers and they pay full fare.

On the other hand, for every person that would like their hand held, there are many more that simply want their lawn mowed so they don't have to screw with it - for these people it's all about convenience and reliability at an affordable price. So someone telling me that it will cost x$ to mow my lawn without me having to schedule an appointment seems rather convenient.

SO - How is SMARINO's 250,000 door hanger campaign coming along? I hope he is gearing up to wage JIHAD on his fellow scrubs and naysayers.

[thefed]

Look at it this way. Maybe he distributes the 250k fliers in a month or 2. MAYBE he has only 2 guys giving estimates 7 days/week for a month or so (what's that?1000 bids give or take)

Then MAYBE he only keeps the top accounts, cherry picks em, and goes happily on his way. He invested 8k in fliers, who knows how much in delivery and bidding...maybe invested 20-30k total. And if he lands only 25% of those bids because he just drops em and runs, thats about 250 accounts. $30 per account is $30k/month gross. maybe 5 mowing months and it looks like his investment might have actually worked out

I guess Im saying that for $7k, he could cherry pick all day and still succeed. Go for it

[smarino21]

Thank You ALL i appreciate it an like the positive and negative feedback, yes after doing all the math it seemed like it was alot. I was supposed to go in this venture with antoher compnay (hometheater installation) and split it all so the responses wouldnt have been as good and that but the other company backed out so i am not gonna do it myselft becasue of the distributing part of it. That was some good feedback though i wish i could get that on every thread lol . Thanks Guys good luck to all of you this year