LESCO MOMENTUM

[Evan528]

i was wandering what your results have been with this product using it on bluegrass, rye and fresue? i am now using trimec plus in my pack pack sprayer for weed control in my lawns. the trimecs results are great but because it has the3 consistency of pancake batter it is very time consuming to mix theraly. when i on the go i need a liquid herbicede i can mix real fast and be on my way. also what is the recomended amount per gallon for the momentum? and any problems with turf burning?

[lawrence stone]

I burned some turf last season using momemtum. I had it mixed on the high side, got carried away with a can sprayer spot<br>spraying, then it stopped raining on May 15<br>well you get the picture I created some<br>'*****&quot; spots and the homeowner did not<br>have a dog on site.<p>Mix it on the light side and as always<br>some bad ass weeds like ground ivy and<br>wild violets will need repeated applications.<p>Does any body have a url for the label?

[cjcland]

mr. stone <br>this is a good site that has alot of labels and msds<br>http://www.uhsonline.com/info.htm<br>another site thats helpfull<br>http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/plantanswers/turf/turf.html<p>i just looked and for some reason it dosnt have momentum, sorry to waste your time, still 2 good sites the second one has some stuff on athletic fields and school grounds i have noticed from your posts that you like this type of work<p>----------<br>CJC Landscape Management<br>Winter Haven, Florida<p>

[Lazer]

Evan,<p>Why are you using Trimec Plus for just weed control? It's not even a good comparison. Are you trying to get broadleaf weeds AND crabgrass?<p>I use Trimec Plus every year, but only on certain areas and only for a small window right when crabgrass sprouts.<p>Anyway, Trimec Plus is expensive as *&@% when you're only treating for broadleafs.<p>As far as results with Momentum, I could write a half page, but suffice it to say I like and I second what lawrence stone said.<p>

[PLS]

Try this url<br>http://www.bluebooktor.com/free_b.asp<br>I checked to see if it was listed and it was (label & MSDS).<br>

[NeilG]

I've used Momentum for two seasons now, and I have been pleased with the results. However, if used on warm season grasses at the labled rate of 3/4 oz, it can burn when the temps go into the high 80's and 90's. I cut the rate back to 1/2 oz, and add a little iron to the mix to reduce yellowing.

[Evan528]

has anyone used the herbicide confront? ive heard pretty good things about it. though it is expensive i am trying to find a easy to mix substitute to trimec plus.

[lawrence stone]

I applied confront b/4 momentum was available. <p>Confront is out of fashion now because it<br>cost 4 times as much as momentum and controls<br>most of the same weeds.

[Evan528]

can anyone tell me what they are now using and how good it woks? i do alot of spraying lawns where i spray the entire lawn so i need something that will not harm the turf in any way. a landscaper in my neighborhood uses confront and he seems to have very good results. i actually bought a galloon of momentum last year and never used it after i heard some stories about it burning turf.

[Lazer]

Evan,<br>You didn't reply to my last post, but...<br>We use Momentum as our primary broadleaf herbicide. It contains a small amount of triclopyr and clopyralid (Confront) and a large % of 2,4-D.<p>I like the strong 2,4-D for quick dandelion knock down and the confront to deal with the difficult to control weeds.<p>It is the best broadleaf herbicide for all-around use that I've used.

[Evan528]

lazer, the reason i am using the trimec plus is exactly for the reason that it not only kills broad leaf weeds but also grassy weeds like crabb grass and nutsedge. the only reason i havent been just using it to kill crabbgrass and something else for broad leaf weeds are because i havent found anything else with the great results like trimec plus.... thats the exact reason wqhy i made this post....im looking for something easier and beter to use for broad leaf weed control.

[lawrence stone]

Try mixing the Trimec plus and Confront at<br>100% of the low rate. Then test the mixture<br>and record the results.<p>If that gives good results try 75% of low<br>rate for the next test batch.

[Lazer]

Evan,<br>I think 10 years ago Trimec+ was as good as it got. Now, you'll have to do some of your own mixing, but Momentum (and others like Millenium) are better for broadleafs and Drive75 works far better than MSMA for crabgrass, especially more mature ones.<p>You'll have to mix some of your own solutions but you'll have better results for less money.<p>Anyway, to answer your original post, Momentum will mix quicker/easier, have less odor, cost less and produce better results on more broadleaf weeds than Trimec Plus.<p>(I'll probably get an e-mail from Gordon's Monday morning :))

[GroundKprs]

Evan, you should get great results with Lesco's Momentum or Riverdale's Millenium Ultra. My experience has been mostly with Riverdale product, but have heard good comments as above about Momentum.<p>There is a greater potential for turf damage when using either of these products, if calibration and mixing is not closely observed. Overdosing when using a 2,4-D and triclopyr and/or clopyralid (Confront AI's)combo can hurt the turf. Friend nearby tried the Confront + 2,4-D similar to suggestion above several years ago and killed a few lawns.<p>When you check the labels, note that the triclopyr/clopyralid percentages are very low on Momentum & Riverdale products. Before availability of these two, golf courses in our area had great success with a combo of 2+2 (AI~25% 2,4-D) at 1.5 oz/K and Confront at 0.18 oz/K. This is less than half the low rate of Confront.<br><p>----------<br>Jim<br>North central Indiana