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Critical Care
03-27-2007, 10:43 PM
One of my clients excitedly called me the other day after turning on his water system from its winter rest. Nearly every head in every zone had broken off, and two areas in the lawn were bubbling. Of course, the first thing thought was that the system wasn't blown out correctly, but upon arriving on the site I found that practically every 1/2" Marlex street ell had totally cracked in two. The two bubbling areas in the lawn were just two more heads on broken Marlex ells.

Last year, I replaced a few of these Marlex ells at a neighbor's home - that was in the middle of the summer. He also said that a neighbor behind him also has 20 of these broken Marlex ells. All of these Marlex elbows were made in Tiawan, and installed by another landscape company. Who do you blame?

Needless to say, I'm looking forward to more repairs in that housing area.

Dirty Water
03-27-2007, 10:46 PM
I bet those are Spears?

We had a bum batch that looked just like that and cracked in the same place.

Perhaps too much air pressure with the winterization.

Critical Care
03-27-2007, 10:52 PM
45 to 50 psi on winterization...

Also doubt that these would break in the middle of the summer as a result of winterization.

PurpHaze
03-27-2007, 11:06 PM
I've used thousands of Spears and Lasco Marlex 90s and never had them break like your picture indicates. Never had one break during warm weather installs since the Marlex warms up and is easy to thread, whether onto another Marlex 90 or SCH 80 nipple. I have had a couple of failures during cold weather installs but this was usually due to someone overtightening them. The split then showed up on the female end, not at the male neck like in your picture.

Mike Leary
03-28-2007, 02:59 PM
I've used thousands of Spears and Lasco Marlex 90s and never had them break like your picture indicates. Never had one break during warm weather installs since the Marlex warms up and is easy to thread, whether onto another Marlex 90 or SCH 80 nipple. I have had a couple of failures during cold weather installs but this was usually due to someone overtightening them. The split then showed up on the female end, not at the male neck like in your picture.

I echo that, Marlex/schmarlex, overtightening is the cause, when I first
started winterizing, I didn't know the 125 towbehind pressure could be
adjusted & injected 100+ psi, melted a couple of m.i.p.s, & launched
skyward a few Stream-Rotors, but sure broke no Marlex ells.

Critical Care
03-28-2007, 04:49 PM
I should say that no other location other than this particular subdivision have I run into this problem of widespread Marlex destruction.

What I often run into are cross threaded Marlex connectors. That's to be expected, and I'd think that overtightening would also be an obvious and instant failure. I've had some paper lightweight types that would break just trying to remove them, and others that have been chopped up by shovels and edgers.

FWIW, the broken Marlex ells in the picture were installed about two years ago.

Mike Leary
03-28-2007, 05:05 PM
The moles finally have battery-powered sawsalls!

PurpHaze
03-28-2007, 08:50 PM
The moles finally have battery-powered sawsalls!

Maybe closer than you think. Maybe the Mole People (OK kiddies... get out your 1950s sci fi movies) travel through the lava tubes and reach up and snap them??? :laugh:

Critical Care
03-29-2007, 12:02 AM
The real mole people are the homeless people living in the New York City subway system, however subterranean mutant mole people living in the lava tubes out here surely may answer all of the chewed up Marlex connectors that I've dug up.

FWIW, the first sci fi movie that I remember that spooked me as a kid was Caltiki - The Immortal Monster. Bet no one remembers that one!

PurpHaze
03-29-2007, 08:10 AM
You're good. :)

Notice Hugh Beaumont's name on the poster?

Wet_Boots
03-29-2007, 09:20 AM
Hugh Beaumont? ~ "Something's wrong with The Beaver."

Mad Estonian
03-29-2007, 11:01 PM
"Ward, I think you were a little hard on the Beaver last night."

PurpHaze
03-30-2007, 08:07 AM
Yup... My memory is going a little but I also think "Denise the Menace" 's father also had a small part in the film. :)

Wet_Boots
03-30-2007, 09:56 AM
"Denise" ???? So Dennis had a sex-change operation?

Critical Care
03-30-2007, 10:36 AM
Denise the Menace, a San Francisco sequel to Dennis the Menace; shown all around the Visalia area.

The things they're showing in our schools these days! Oye vey!

Mike Leary
03-30-2007, 05:15 PM
It's spelled "Menice"

PurpHaze
03-30-2007, 10:31 PM
"Denise" ???? So Dennis had a sex-change operation?

Wife's name is Denise so it was an honest slip of the fingers. :laugh:

My in-laws were expecting a boy and they had Dennis all picked out as a name. When my wife came out and was missing the appendage they just gave her the name Denise. Everyone on her side of the family calls her Denny but I can attest there's nothing masculine about her... at least not as of this morning. :)

PurpHaze
03-30-2007, 10:33 PM
Denise the Menace, a San Francisco sequel to Dennis the Menace; shown all around the Visalia area.

The things they're showing in our schools these days! Oye vey!

You won't see it shown in schools but they have copies at the local porno shop. :laugh:

PurpHaze
03-30-2007, 10:34 PM
It's spelled "Menice"

Not in my dictionary. :)

Critical Care
04-07-2007, 03:20 PM
Here we go again... thirteen more bum Marlex elbows on another neighbors system that I get to replace. While in that subdivision I happened to notice a couple other guys apparently replacing these bum elbows at another place.

Surely anyone could get a bad batch of garbage, but if this happened to your installations and people began to complain after a year or two, what would you do? Apparently the company that did these installs won't even return calls, according to one of my clients.

Critical Care
04-07-2007, 03:26 PM
I understand that the price for Marlex elbows at Home Depot is still below twenty five cents each, however my price at Horizon a week ago was 70 cents. Obviously Orbit isn't Lasco, but that price difference is quite a bit.

Mike Leary
04-07-2007, 03:52 PM
This has been going on quite some time: did you ever tell us what brand
of Marlex they were?

PurpHaze
04-07-2007, 08:35 PM
Surely anyone could get a bad batch of garbage, but if this happened to your installations and people began to complain after a year or two, what would you do?

I have prolly installed tens of thousands Marlex 90s from different manufacturers over the years and never had as many failures as you've experienced recently regarding this thread in all that time.

Apparently the company that did these installs won't even return calls, according to one of my clients.

Did the same company install all the Marlex that is the subject of the thread? If so... I'd tend to think they had an installation problem rather than a materials problem.

Wet_Boots
04-07-2007, 08:46 PM
Home Depot 'marlex' is underweight crapola - if an installer used them to save a buck, serves him right. I wasn't thrilled when some manufacturers went to a harder Marlex resin, and cut the weight of the fittings.

Mike Leary
04-07-2007, 08:55 PM
stay with spears & lasco; they've never let me down!

PurpHaze
04-07-2007, 09:02 PM
I looked at CC's picture again, blowing it up, but can't make out a manufacturer. I'm still amazed at all the breakage in the same part of the male side of the neck or el. Only time I've ever experienced breakage at that point is the last Marlex in our swing joints that actually screws into the female inlet of the sprinkler body. This occurs when something heavy runs over it and actually the Marlex has done it's job by breaking and absorbing the shock instead of transferring it lower. Easy fix as we just spin on a new Marlex 90 and then reinstall the old sprinkler (if it's still good) after using an extractor to remove the piece of Marlex from it.

PurpHaze
04-07-2007, 09:03 PM
stay with spears & lasco; they've never let me down!

Ditto here.

Wet_Boots
04-07-2007, 09:12 PM
I liked the older Spears design. Softer resin, but heavier by far.

PurpHaze
04-07-2007, 09:26 PM
Maybe they started mixing in Viagra with the resin??? :laugh:

Critical Care
04-08-2007, 01:20 AM
I haven't replaced this last batch yet, but all of the breaks again were in the very same spot of the elbow. Sprinklers are just loose in the ground.

These elbows certainly appear to be schedule 40. The only thing that I saw on the connectors was "made in Taiwan", but I'll look closer at the next batch I pull out of the ground.

All were installed by the same Company, and the company doesn't have a good reputation with my clients, but still... Even if you tried on purpose to break these things, you wouldn't be able to do it so uniformly as what I've dug up.

Ah yeah, I've been going with Lasco and Spears as well, but when I mentioned to my client that my cost was 70 cents each he called me up later mentioning that his neighbor went to Home Depot and got these same Marlex ells for less than a quarter. My guess is Orbit brand.

Resin? Oh, were they to use resin?

Wet_Boots
04-08-2007, 09:05 AM
If they don't have a brand name, then someone is not exactly proud about the product. I don't think Spears current Marlex ells would meet ASTM standards, if they were molded of PVC and presented as sch 40 fittings.

PurpHaze
04-08-2007, 10:20 AM
All were installed by the same Company, and the company doesn't have a good reputation with my clients, but still... Even if you tried on purpose to break these things, you wouldn't be able to do it so uniformly as what I've dug up.

Good observation. Has every single Marlex 90 they've installed broken?

Ah yeah, I've been going with Lasco and Spears as well, but when I mentioned to my client that my cost was 70 cents each

You need a new supplier. We get Lasco/Spears Marlex 90s for about .23 for 1/2", .29 for 3/4" and .38 for 1" els.

bicmudpuppy
04-08-2007, 10:55 AM
Good observation. Has every single Marlex 90 they've installed broken?



You need a new supplier. We get Lasco/Spears Marlex 90s for about .23 for 1/2", .29 for 3/4" and .38 for 1" els.

Ouch, guess I'm getting the "small quantity" multiplier too. I just paid not quite 4x that for a bag of 1" spears marlex

PurpHaze
04-08-2007, 11:13 AM
Ouch, guess I'm getting the "small quantity" multiplier too. I just paid not quite 4x that for a bag of 1" spears marlex

I believe both Lasco and Spears Marlex 90s come 50 to the box (we don't get them in bags). We'll order 200-500 at a time of each size (as needed) because we'll use 2/3/4 per swing joint along with the appropriate SCH 80 nipple. We'll get away with 2 of them on a side-inlet application, 3 of them on a standard swing joint and need four of them when retrofitting on a fitting that has a threaded end looking straight up. We have large plastic bins on our trailer that hold each size Marlex 90 and then we stock separate milk crates on our trucks with the various parts to build our different sized swing joints for repair or small retro situations where we don't need to pull the trailer out to a site.

Critical Care
04-08-2007, 11:22 PM
Good observation. Has every single Marlex 90 they've installed broken?

These installs are only a couple years old and I'm guessing that about 75percent of the Marlex have gone south.

I'm trying to figure out why I can't get prices online anymore from Horizon on these things. Bummer. After seeing the prices jump up so much I wanted to see if they made a mistake on my invoice.

Wet_Boots
04-08-2007, 11:39 PM
If you're a PVC installer, then Marlex might be about the only item you use made from resin that got very expensive for awhile.

PurpHaze
04-09-2007, 08:08 AM
I'm trying to figure out why I can't get prices online anymore from Horizon on these things. Bummer. After seeing the prices jump up so much I wanted to see if they made a mistake on my invoice.

I track our parts prices from our two main suppliers. Every so often there's a glitch but I haven't seen a drastic jump in Marlex as of yet. I've even called a supplier when I've seen that a particular price has experienced a drastic lowering also. :)

Grassmechanic
04-09-2007, 12:56 PM
Try Marsan Turf at www.sprinklers4less.com. 13 cents for 1/2" ell, 17 cents for 3/4". Manufactured by RainBird. I buy them by the 1000 and never have run into failures (so far).

gusbuster
04-09-2007, 02:31 PM
These installs are only a couple years old and I'm guessing that about 75percent of the Marlex have gone south.

I'm trying to figure out why I can't get prices online anymore from Horizon on these things. Bummer. After seeing the prices jump up so much I wanted to see if they made a mistake on my invoice.

When are you checking out your prices on line? if it's later on in the evening like after 8 pm, forget about it. That's when they back up all the day's work including the price server and wouldn't be available until 11 pac time.

As far as viewing prices on line through Horizon, As long as I don't try between the stated hours above, i have no problem. I am surprised by the price difference between 1/2 3/4 and 1. At least at the horizons I visit, it always seems that the marlex keeps on gathering an inch of dust every day. What I viewed on line was .1" 1.34 3/4 was.70 and 1/2.25

At Ewing 1.23 3/4 .49 and 1/2 was .24

I guess I'm real lucky that in my area JDL, Ewing and Horizon are 15 minutes from my base north or south of me and from each place is only a 5 min drive from each other. Give me a chance to nickel and dime stuff.

Mike Leary
04-09-2007, 03:17 PM
Gus, I agree, we have Horizon, H.D. Fowler & United Pipe here & it seems to
keep everyone honest. I have had problems w/Horizon tho.

gusbuster
04-09-2007, 03:23 PM
Gus, I agree, we have Horizon, H.D. Fowler & United Pipe here & it seems to
keep everyone honest. I have had problems w/Horizon tho.

Let's just say its the people that you deal with within the company. Some are motivated and others are not. Case in point..

2 different branches of Horizon...1 in Stockton and 1 in Menlo Park. Last year the Stockton branch, the service and help I got was good and the Menlo branch was good. This year, the Stockton branch is doing a better job, but the Menlo branch has gone down hill. With the take over that just happened, some people got the short end of the stick I guess and the motivation is not there anymore.

Mike Leary
04-09-2007, 03:43 PM
Most counter & management are ex-contractors or field crew who couldn't
cut it outside & bring their give a s..t attitude inside!

Critical Care
04-09-2007, 08:03 PM
You have to be careful at United Pipe because they'll get top dollar for some things, and at least a year ago I think that they wanted about .50 for each 3/4" Marlex. Don't know what it is today...

I'll haven't ordered irrigation parts online, yet, but as each day goes by I get a bit more tempted to do so. And Gusbuster, I'll try Horizon online at a different hour. Thanks for the suggestion, but you saw what I got anyway.

PurpHaze
04-09-2007, 08:31 PM
We picked up 300 1/2" Marlex 90s this afternoon to restock the trailer and they were .15 each.

The bins are mismarked as we change things around from time to time. :)

PurpHaze
04-09-2007, 09:56 PM
Since we're on the subject of Marlex:

Research chemists, Paul Hogan and Robert Bank invented Marlex or HDPE. HDPE (high-density polyethylene) and crystalline polypropylene are both plastic products. In 1951, methods of manufacturing these plastics were invented by research chemists Paul Hogan and Robert Banks of Phillips Petroleum.

Marlex is Phillips Petroleum's tradename for HDPE. One of the first uses for Marlex was for the famous Wham-O hula hoop and milk jugs.

Paul Hogan and Robert Banks began their research work together in 1946. LDPE or low-density polyethylene already existed, however, it was not easy to work with. Paul Hogan and Robert Banks were experimenting with high-octane gasoline when they discovered crystalline polypropylene. The researchers then invented a way to manufacture crystalline polypropylene and HDPE.

HDPE the abbreviation for high density polyethylene plastic. It can be blow molded and is commonly used to make milk, water jugs, and large plastic soda bottles.

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Additionally... We've been using the 6" Hunter Pro-Spray bodies for the Micro-Spray nozzles we've been installing in the recent planter projects. The bodies come already in the bottom inlet configuration but we've been switching them over to the side inlet configuration for our needs on these systems. The plug appears to be a soft plastic very similar to Marlex and the threads have not required any taping/sealant in order to seal. Wonder if the ploymer pellets Hunter gets for these plugs before they go into their injection molders are Marlex? Anyone know for sure?

PurpHaze
04-10-2007, 10:52 PM
You made me look today CC. The Lasco and Spears Marlex 90s we use have the "USA" molded into them. No Taiwan in them. :)

One supplier is sending us Excaliber SCH 80 nipples instead of Lasco/Spears and they're printed/stamped "Made in USA" proudly along their length too.

Critical Care
04-11-2007, 10:38 AM
I always wanted to look up the origin of Marlex; so now I know the rest of the story. But someone named Paul Hogan? Sort of sounds like Mr. Crocodile Dundee.

As a kid, my hula hoop never broke, nor can I recall any plastic soda or milk jugs that have mysteriously fallen apart, though that is an entertaining thought. Where's Doctor Wham-o when you need him?

Critical Care
04-11-2007, 10:49 AM
Additionally... We've been using the 6" Hunter Pro-Spray bodies for the Micro-Spray nozzles we've been installing in the recent planter projects. The bodies come already in the bottom inlet configuration but we've been switching them over to the side inlet configuration for our needs on these systems. The plug appears to be a soft plastic very similar to Marlex and the threads have not required any taping/sealant in order to seal. Wonder if the ploymer pellets Hunter gets for these plugs before they go into their injection molders are Marlex? Anyone know for sure?

Wouldn't it be a fine howdy do to go into work one morning and find pools of water around all of these 6" heads? You never know. After all, how many people who were feeding IAMS to their pets ever thought that some toxic Chinese connection existed?

Critical Care
04-11-2007, 11:02 AM
Oh... after Gusbuster got the prices on the Marlex from Horizon, I went back and looked at my invoices and sure enough I got hit for the 3/4" price rather than for 1/2". And all this time I've been wandering around in disbelief over what I thought was a huge price increase.

Perhaps I'll get out to replace some more of the Marlex connectors today... if it doesn't snow.

Mike Leary
04-11-2007, 09:05 PM
I never used to look at my invoices that much; I'd check every six months
or so...no big......the past six years...." check every invoice for f..k.ps,
bill from invoice, not from your "historical pricing". I gave away a (more)
Carson valve boxes before I got it.

PurpHaze
04-11-2007, 09:52 PM
Wouldn't it be a fine howdy do to go into work one morning and find pools of water around all of these 6" heads? You never know.

They ship with the plug in the side inlet without anything on the threads so I'd assume they'd be OK. The zone for the kindergarten planters was installed on a new valve and there's quite a bit of pressure on it. So far no leaks. Went by this morning to check things out because the system fired last night and all planters had a nice, even moisture with no run-off on the sloped planters in front of the office. Site is planning on planting some additional perennials and will be putting in some annuals in strategic spots of the planters. They're very happy with our work.

The Pro-Sprays have a molded "warning" on the body that the check valves only work if you use the bottom inlet. I wasn't worried because the sprinklers were placed at the upper edge of the one sloped planter and these are also the highest sprinklers in the office zones. Very little backflow noted even on the sprinklers lower and upstream from them.

After all, how many people who were feeding IAMS to their pets ever thought that some toxic Chinese connection existed?

LOL... I was real worried about my cat because his soft meaty food was on that list. However, the package numbers were deemed safe. Now, the dog, he eats more table scraps than anything so I wasn't worried about him. :laugh:

PurpHaze
04-11-2007, 09:59 PM
I never used to look at my invoices that much; I'd check every six months or so...no big......the past six years...." check every invoice for f..k.ps, bill from invoice, not from your "historical pricing". I gave away a (more) Carson valve boxes before I got it.

I always look at my invoices since we buy some of the same products from two different suppliers. I'll look them over and make any changes necessary on future work orders, usually indicating a median price between the suppliers. We buy so much in bulk that it's hard to stay totally accurate by the job but we're usually installing something that was bought on the older, lower price anyway. However, if I have to purchase something new for a job and the price has gone up I immediately pass that price along. I have one heck of an Excel database on the parts we use and it even calculates taxes. Come to think of it... our taxes just went up to 8% locally so I need to go in and change that on the database.

Critical Care
04-13-2007, 10:39 PM
Here's an update on the spreading Marlex Virus. I replaced 20 more today, and had two people stop and ask me to look at their systems in the same neighborhood. Both of these other places have the same problem.

The first picture below shows where the name Taiwan is located on these Marlex connectors. The female end is down, with the ell extending upward. If you have similar Marlex connectors to these, there may be reason to worry.

The second picture shows a close up of where they break. Notice that the outside skin of the Marlex at the break is frayed.

PurpHaze
04-13-2007, 11:53 PM
Damn CC... Has to be nice for the business repair end but I'd be REALLY pissed off at any supplier that sold me something like this garbage. Guess one could insist on "Made in USA" Marlex 90s for their own installs.

Mike Leary
04-14-2007, 10:22 AM
The whole episode would be driving me up the wall....is there a big box in
the area or (shudder) did United or Horizon sell them?

Critical Care
04-14-2007, 10:56 AM
Damn CC... Has to be nice for the business repair end but I'd be REALLY pissed off at any supplier that sold me something like this garbage. Guess one could insist on "Made in USA" Marlex 90s for their own installs.

Actually, I'm getting a bit worn out from this stuff Hayes. Imagine turning on a system and seeing sections of turf (sod) literally bubble up.

Well yes, if I got sold junk like that I'd be pissed off, however I'm thinking that the company that did these installs probably doesn't care as long as someone doesn't rake them over the coals with threats or whatever. Then they'd likely to only be concerned about themselves rather than their work.

It's interesting that it appears as if all of the people affected by this Marlex Virus that I've talked to blame the installer, rather than the component. That should really make you think twice about installing junk. Yes?

Mike, Horizon sells Lasco, and though its been a while since I got Marlex at United Pipe, I doubt that these came from there.

Critical Care
04-14-2007, 11:00 AM
Oh, sorry guys for spelling Taiwan wrong in the thread title. Guess when you get my age you simply can't spell anithing.

PurpHaze
04-14-2007, 11:10 AM
Actually, I'm getting a bit worn out from this stuff Hayes. Imagine turning on a system and seeing sections of turf (sod) literally bubble up.

From that standpoint I can see your frustrations. But you have to be making some good cash flow off this too. When shat hits the fan like this I sometimes have to remind myself that I'm only human and can only accomplish so much in a day's work. "One step at a time" goes a long way in helping maintain sanity.

Well yes, if I got sold junk like that I'd be pissed off, however I'm thinking that the company that did these installs probably doesn't care as long as someone doesn't rake them over the coals with threats or whatever. Then they'd likely to only be concerned about themselves rather than their work.

Are you sure that the original installer knows about the problems? God forbid if he does and is still installing them in other new systems. Your Marlex Virus will keep going as long as the virus supply is still available.

It's interesting that it appears as if all of the people affected by this Marlex Virus that I've talked to blame the installer, rather than the component. That should really make you think twice about installing junk. Yes?

You might have an unfortunate situation where the installer knows about the problem but is just taking his chances because they're the cheapest available. Good price has to be coupled with decent or good quality for it to be a good thing for contractors and their customers.

Mike, Horizon sells Lasco, and though its been a while since I got Marlex at United Pipe, I doubt that these came from there.

The virus could of been introduced from the internet. :)

Remote Pigtails
04-14-2007, 12:07 PM
I don't think the Marlex Virus has hit us in DFW yet. Ran to my truck and checked my Marlex. No Taiwan on it. Whew!

We pretty much use Hunter 6" and 12" ready made swing joints.

Remote Pigtails
04-14-2007, 12:22 PM
I think the Marlex Virus entered off a ship in Seattle. I'm hoping you West Coast Folks can stop this before it spreads east. The West Nile Virus is moving west and the Marlex Virus is moving east. Kinda scary! they should collide around the four corners area.:help:

PurpHaze
04-14-2007, 01:49 PM
I think the Marlex Virus entered off a ship in Seattle. I'm hoping you West Coast Folks can stop this before it spreads east. The West Nile Virus is moving west and the Marlex Virus is moving east. Kinda scary! they should collide around the four corners area.:help:

According to top secret CDC sources in Atlanta the Marlex Virus most likely entered the US via the Portland, OR point-of-entry. It most likely went up the Columbia River via barge to The Dalles and then hitched a ride on down to the Bend, OR area via unscrupulous truck drivers. They're feverishly trying to stop its spread as they predict a total US irrigation annihilation if it ever mutates and links up with the Georgia spawned Stagnant Pressure Syndrome which has been known to have spread west as far as points unknown in Kansas. :laugh:

Remote Pigtails
04-14-2007, 02:21 PM
I hope it doesn't get into the HD supply chain. Then God forbid it might infect those special people known as DIYers.

PurpHaze
04-14-2007, 03:11 PM
I've also heard that Otter Pops are the cure for Marlex Virus. :)

Mike Leary
04-14-2007, 05:08 PM
I've also heard that Otter Pops are the cure for Marlex Virus. :)

Have you forgotten what we wash the otter pops down with?

Critical Care
04-14-2007, 05:38 PM
According to top secret CDC sources in Atlanta the Marlex Virus most likely entered the US via the Portland, OR point-of-entry. It most likely went up the Columbia River via barge to The Dalles and then hitched a ride on down to the Bend, OR area via unscrupulous truck drivers. They're feverishly trying to stop its spread as they predict a total US irrigation annihilation if it ever mutates and links up with the Georgia spawned Stagnant Pressure Syndrome which has been known to have spread west as far as points unknown in Kansas.


I just renewed my insurance, but now I'm wondering if perhaps I shouldn't have opted out on the "acts of terrorism" coverage... There has to be someone behind all of this.

Mike Leary
04-14-2007, 05:45 PM
Oh my god! This has to be worse than zebra mussels (at least they're edible)
Another Commie plot..hide the children & sheep! Have you thought of soaking
the affected areas with flat Lawn Genie beer?:laugh:

Remote Pigtails
04-14-2007, 06:29 PM
Oh my god! This has to be worse than zebra mussels (at least they're edible)
Another Commie plot..hide the children & sheep! Have you thought of soaking
the affected areas with flat Lawn Genie beer?:laugh:

Flat Lawn Genie Beer?:confused: Has that ever happened? Reminds of the joke about how many men it takes to put on a roll of toilet paper.

Nobody knows cuz it's never happened.:cool2:

HBFOXJr
04-15-2007, 03:44 PM
We've seen this several springs over the years in southern NJ. We attribute it to frost heaving of the soil in winters with no snow cover and soil frozen to below pipe depth.

The flange at the top of most heads gets pushed on bby the expanding soil. The more or less horizontal swing joint or swing pipe assy is unable to move up with the head. The first nipple under the head is always the victim.

We did have one manufacturer some years ago that made a blue 3/4m x 1/2f el. Many have broken over these occcasional winters that we have. When ever we replace a head that has this el, we always replace the ell too, if it has survived.

Just this past week we had white, 1/2 soft str els with the same problem along a drive. I'm guessing maybe it was a a little colder there. Logic being we serviced a first tiem acct that had not winterized recently. The only pipe damage on the entire site was along the belgium block front curb.

Mike Leary
04-15-2007, 04:44 PM
Um Harold, help us goof balls out...do they make a white Marlex out east,
or......dum da dum dum...is it the attack of the killer zebra mussels carrying
mutant Marex genes?

HBFOXJr
04-16-2007, 08:25 PM
Marlex, Kleenex, I can't say for sure. Just a whitish or opaque 1/2" street el of a material softer than pvc.

Wet_Boots
04-16-2007, 08:34 PM
Maybe the price of carbon for the black coloring has gone up. Everything else has.

bicmudpuppy
04-16-2007, 10:18 PM
Marlex, Kleenex, I can't say for sure. Just a whitish or opaque 1/2" street el of a material softer than pvc.

whitish or opaque makes me think of the fittings at Ace or a farm store for hose applications. I have had real good luck breaking them :(