277B Demo!!

[McKeeLand]

My 277B demo just got here. i am itching to go try it out. they gave it to me until Monday. also threw in a brush hog to try out, that will be fun. Then on Thursday they are going to bring a 287B to try also. it will be a busy weekend, just bought some new property that has lost of brush to clear. i will let you know how it works out.:)

[ksss]

I would demo them and if you want one buy it off iron planet. Personally I would not buy one of these new. They have no value on the used market. Unless you have money to burn, they are a very poor value.

[02powerstroke]

They are cool machines I ran one for a day they have some real power compared to what I'am used to runing. It also had a full cab with heat and a radio with Sirius satelite ,life was tuff that day:cool2:

[McKeeLand]

Well i demoed the 277 all weekend. i was not impressed with the 277 as much as i hoped. it was a great machine for what it was, i just feel that it was under powered for it size. we had a asv 4810 on rent for several months last year and that thing was like a D-3. its funny i kinda missed the two levered drive controls on the old 4810. i liked being able to control them individually, found it hard with the joystick. i am trying to set up a demo of a rc-85 or 100 to compare the difference. they have more hp than the cat and they are about 6" narrower too. the 277 barely fit on my trailer at over 75" wide. as for the brush cutter that was awesome. i have never used a brush cutter on skid before, only on our tractors with the PTO. i was able to take out 4+ trees with that thing.

ksss, my question with buying used, besides the extra cost of increased financing, is what about the undercarriage overhaul. if i find a machine with 800hrs i will be close to needing at least new tracks and who know what else. i know i will loose buying new, but i want to know the hours that our on that machine are my hours, not some hot shot that abused the hell out of the undercarriage. if it was a wheel machine i would go used.

[qps]

Underpowered......sounds familar....buy something else or what for the C series,,,,



how you doing shane....(KSSS)

[mow king]

i just saw a 277 with about 1400 hours sell for $14k.

I wouldn't buy new either..

[ksss]

If my math serves me it appears that on that particular machine the depreciation was $25.00 an hour. That is assuming a purchase price of 50K.
Mckeeland are you really sure you want a new one?



QPS,

Tim, doing as well as can be expected. Stress is high, my help sucks, diesel is $3.00 a gallon, and I just got back from the tax man. Like they say: The only easy day was yesterday.

[vntgrcr]

If my math serves me it appears that on that particular machine the depreciation was $25.00 an hour. That is assuming a purchase price of 50K.
Mckeeland are you really sure you want a new one?



QPS,

Tim, doing as well as can be expected. Stress is high, my help sucks, diesel is $3.00 a gallon, and I just got back from the tax man. Like they say: The only easy day was yesterday.

Speaking of depreciation, hold your hat! I really don't like the T190 I bought last Sept. brand new. Cost was about $46K. Had $9k equity in my trade in. I am now in the market for a new ASV 80. The ASV dealer came back with a value on my T190 at $30K!!! That's $16K in less than a year. I have a feeling he will adjust his numbers but even if he comes to $36, I still find that pill a little hard to swallow for depreciation. So buyer beware, and don't rush into buying a machine without demo'ing a few. An expensive lesson I have learned. By the way, the ASV is a beast and if he can make the numbers work I will probably buy it.

[qps]

If my math serves me it appears that on that particular machine the depreciation was $25.00 an hour. That is assuming a purchase price of 50K.
Mckeeland are you really sure you want a new one?



QPS,

Tim, doing as well as can be expected. Stress is high, my help sucks, diesel is $3.00 a gallon, and I just got back from the tax man. Like they say: The only easy day was yesterday.


:dizzy: sounds like someone else I know......

[McKeeLand]

how is the resale on the asv? i would like to demo the asv, but the closes large dealer is in deleware. i don't want a machine that i have to travel that far every time i need service.

[vntgrcr]

how is the resale on the asv? i would like to demo the asv, but the closes large dealer is in deleware. i don't want a machine that i have to travel that far every time i need service.
It isn't too bad. The dealer told me he just gave a guy $18K for a 7 or 8 yr old machine with 3500hrs on it. I think as they make the machines a little more sophisticated, resale is getting better. I need another right off this year so it should do the job in the office on paper and out in the field.

[ksss]

Why do you want to trade the Bobcat soo quickly? I wouldn't think that you'll see a 6K jump in trade value. Turning a machine that quickly will result in losing money no matter what color it is. Trading to a different OEM doesn't help either.

[Fieldman12]

I was looking at your depreciation on the T190. I was comparing it to my buddy. He just traded in his Deere 322 CTL which is comparable size with almost 8oo hrs on a new Deere 322 CTL. He said they gave him $28,000.00 for the use machine and the new one was $38,000.00... I can tell you the one he traded in looked rough. Hard to decide what to do when trading in.

[Fieldman12]

He said they was going to turn around and sell the one he just traded in at $32,000.00

[vntgrcr]

Why do you want to trade the Bobcat soo quickly? I wouldn't think that you'll see a 6K jump in trade value. Turning a machine that quickly will result in losing money no matter what color it is. Trading to a different OEM doesn't help either.
As I stated earlier, I just don't like it! Yesterday I was using it and had the bucket pointed down to pull some stone. All of a sudden it just jammed the the bucket down full force. That is one example of how the hyd. will just take over. It will go from low gear to high gear on it's own. Very disconcerting when you are grading precisely or some other detailed operation when you are expecting to move slowly and in a controlled manner. It is just a machine that has not been designed very well. The lifting arms waggle all over the place as well. The ASV dealer came back with an offer of $32K. That makes me still $8K upside down. I am pissed at myself more than anything for not shopping around a little more when I was in the market. I do think the dealer still has some room to move though. I can't believe that a 2006 Bobcat with 150hrs is only worth $32K wholesale. I realize they need to make some $ on it. This week will see where they come back at. I do like the ASV, it is a real beast and would do well for me.

[dozerman21]

I don't think you'll get a much better offer trading yours in. Have you thought about trying to sell it outright? Machinery Trader, EBAY, a local trader paper? The dealer has to flip your machine, and it's usually harder for a dealer to sell a different used brand. Even at 150 hours, machines depreciate right after it leaves the lot.

I'm not at all trying to defend the dealer, I hope you get what you want for yours. The last dozer that we traded in, we went round and round trying to get them to give us a better price. They barely budged, and eventually we had to go ahead and make the deal because they tracks needed replaced. I talked to the guy who bought the machine a couple of months later, (with the same undercarriage) and he paid $10,000 more than what they gave me for mine!:angry:

If the ASV dealer won't come down any more, maybe you can get him to give you a deal on some attachments, Rezloh cutting edge, etc...

Good Luck!

[ksss]

The problem is if it is priced too close to new, why would someone buy a used one even if it is only 150 hours. With new machine financing and warranty to contend with they will have to price it 10K below new at least.

I guess it drives home the point about spending enough time with a machine before you drop the hammer. Changing your mind, is expensive.

[Fieldman12]

What do you mean by waggle? Do you mean shift from side to side boom sway? Sounds like to me allot of the issues you have Bobcat needs to address. I understand you want out of the machine but I just cannot help to say allot of the problems you have sound like things the dealer may be able to address (some of them). If I was you I would get the things fixed. If they have to give you a loaner than so be it. Once I had it all fixed up keep using it and put it for sale in an Equipment trader or something. That way if someone is interested I think it looks allot better when it is out making a dollar all the time. That is the proble I ran into though with skid steers was about all of them wanted a new price with no warranty and looked rough. I almost bouth a new Deere until I stumbled onto the one I got.

[Fieldman12]

Ksss, You are correct about why buy used? With todays dirt cheap interest rates on some brand machines 1.9% and the new warranty and all the things that can go wrong with a skid why buy used unless your getting a great deal. If you have to borrow any amount of money at all your going to pay plus or minus 7%. When I bought mine used I borrowed very little and got a good deal. Matter of fact I'm getting read in the next month or two of paying it off. My buddy when he traded his Deere in told them that they made off the new, why would anyone pay so close to new price? I always hate getting another piece of equipment when trading because your never gonna get what you think you should have unless sold out right. I know on Deere stuff in the ag line they will offer some times a $10,000 dollar bounty on large equipment to get you to switch to there brand. Have not heard yet if anyone does that in the Construction world.

[vntgrcr]

As far as getting the issue's fixed, I don't have a lot of faith in the local dealer. Especially when it comes to electronic/ E/H issues. They like to do R/R fix's without any real diagnostic capability. The lift arms moving side to side is a design issue that is not fixable. You guys are correct with the depreciation issues. I am just going to squeeze the dealer to get everything I can out of them. They seem very interested in getting someone new into an ASV and I am going to play that out a little and see what it is worth to them. I just have a dollar issue that I have a threshold that I don't want to go over. If I have to live with the T190, I will. I just won't like it

[finance2999]

See if you can demo one of the new C machines from Cat. They are a couple points higher price, but outperform anything else out there. The undercarriage should last a lot longer as well.

[vntgrcr]

Are they out yet??

[finance2999]

Sort of, check with your local dealer.

[McKeeLand]

they all say that they will be out in the end of summer.

[ksss]

See if you can demo one of the new C machines from Cat. They are a couple points higher price, but outperform anything else out there. The undercarriage should last a lot longer as well.
04-15-2007 08:23 PM


That is quite a statement on a machine that has yet to be released. CAT has made these claims before. Perhaps it would be more wise this time to let the machine release before praising it. There is only so much "Crow" to go around.