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chunkitron3030
04-13-2007, 12:22 AM
well, everyone seemed to like my style of laying things out for my customers... and whereas i am still new to all of this, i took a lot of peoples advice and hopefully will get some more from doing this one. i have a couple minor things with this one i am not completely happy with, but time permits me having to be done with it tomorrow so not enough time to start over. anyways, rate or hate this one, i really enjoy getting all the constructive criticism and positive comments both. makes me really appreciate my new job more.

i will prolly color the house in the morning, so NM that unless you think to keep it white. also, i still need to list all the plants. i took a few shots before i colored everything and added all the stuff in i needed....

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e277/chunkitron3030/Work%20Drawings/4-11Drawing016.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e277/chunkitron3030/Work%20Drawings/4-11Drawing015.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e277/chunkitron3030/Work%20Drawings/4-11Drawing014.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e277/chunkitron3030/Work%20Drawings/4-11Drawing012.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e277/chunkitron3030/Work%20Drawings/4-11Drawing011.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e277/chunkitron3030/Work%20Drawings/4-11Drawing009.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e277/chunkitron3030/Work%20Drawings/4-11Drawing008.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e277/chunkitron3030/Work%20Drawings/4-11Drawing002.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e277/chunkitron3030/Work%20Drawings/4-11Drawing001.jpg

LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU THINK!!!:hammerhead: :cry:

PaperCutter
04-13-2007, 08:13 AM
Your perspective seems a little skewed, and a lot of your plant material looks very flat- almost like cardboard cutouts. I think you're showing more detail in your perspective drawings than you really need to- if you were a little looser and showed massing and colors instead of trying to make a whatever look like a whatever, you'd be a little happier with the result. I'll try and find something to scan today to show you what I mean.

What are you using for coloring? Are you doing this for every client? Do you need to?

Dave

chunkitron3030
04-13-2007, 08:23 AM
well beings i am still new, i am still in the process of getting materials i need to make the things look good. right now i am only using a pencil, sharpie, and some prismacolor markers. i am getting some good colored pencils this weekend, so that should really help out on detail.

PaperCutter
04-13-2007, 09:00 AM
It looks like you're coloring in more than one direction. With art markers, you'll get better results if you pick one direction and stay with it. Also, for your plan view draw your plants in light pencil with your circle template then do your linework over top of that. It'll look better.

wurkn with amish
04-13-2007, 07:27 PM
Yeah I think its the markers going every which way that's ruining it for me.
But-- your lines are alot better, maybe alittle too dark.
I actually like the black and white better than the colored.
The colored pencils will help alot.
Keep up the good work.

PatriotLandscape
04-13-2007, 11:09 PM
Don't sign your name like your an artist it looks cheesey.

Don't put so much detail into the windows of the house and concentrate more on the plantings.

tthomass
04-13-2007, 11:37 PM
Look at a sketch I put together.......be more "free" with you plant shapes. I call this a sketch, not a drawing, as time is no longer available for proper shading and shadows etc......unless the $ is right. We're installing this now.

http://www.lawnsite.com/showthread.php?t=178585

Scottscape
04-13-2007, 11:46 PM
looks good man, thats alot of time to put into. Don't let these guys fool you, they can't do it any better or won't put that much time into it. Good job

PaperCutter
04-14-2007, 11:53 AM
looks good man, thats alot of time to put into. Don't let these guys fool you, they can't do it any better or won't put that much time into it. Good job

Yeah, you're absolutely right- I based my advice on what I've read on Yahoo Answers. Whatever, buddy.

Here's what I mean about the markers and using actual circles as the base (scroll down to my post):

http://www.lawnsite.com/showthread.php?t=176158&page=8

chunkitron3030
04-14-2007, 02:35 PM
i think i see what your saying, now do you free hand those with the marker directly, or how do you perform the process? let me know!

PaperCutter
04-14-2007, 07:03 PM
I start with AutoCAD, but for simplicity's sake let's say I did that with hand drafting (it's the same technique). So I have my lightly drawn circle- if by hand, then in hard pencil. I take my pen and draw the plant using the circle as a guide. Then, I take a light-colored marker and wash my base color on, then build up in progressively richer colors. By leaving a white spot similar to a specular on the plant, I can create the illusion of depth without having to draw shadows. Sometimes I do, but I'm no artist- it can go south really fast. Hopefully this shows what I was talking about, that you needn't show a ton of detail on your plants. Does that answer your question?

mrusk
04-14-2007, 08:42 PM
All that work for a couple of small beds??

PaperCutter
04-14-2007, 10:51 PM
All that work for a couple of small beds??

hey chunk, you never did answer my earlier question- are you in fact doing this much work for every client? And do you need to?

EgansCountryGardens
04-14-2007, 10:58 PM
I gotta ask. How much do you charge for something like that?

chunkitron3030
04-18-2007, 08:46 PM
it depends on what i am doing, right now i am trying with different customers, but after this one, i think i am only going to do top views(layout view) with an occasional "detail" sketch, but nothing major. it just takes too long to draw out.

this job is costing the lady around $3000, maybe a bit more if more materials are needed. ive got another drawing i did today i am going to post up in a few minutes.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e277/chunkitron3030/Work%20Drawings/McDurmon002.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e277/chunkitron3030/Work%20Drawings/McDurmon001.jpg

I also tried doing the marker going a certain way this time to, its noticeable on the grass, i like the look of this one more than the last. the customer saw it today and fell in love with it. let me know what you think.

chunkitron3030
04-18-2007, 08:47 PM
i also forgot to add, does anyone use that dynascape software, looks like a killer program..

PaperCutter
04-18-2007, 09:16 PM
If you want to save yourself time (and run through your markers more slowly) you can represent big fields of color by just coloring the edge. For example, where your beds meet the lawn, line the wide part of the tip up with the bed edge and just do quick, short (1/2" to 3/4" max) strokes pulling away from the bed. Trying to color everything distracts from what you're proposing to do and the streakiness doesn't look so hot. If you're dead set on having big fields of color you can use pastels, but make sure you have a good fixative- you don't want your clients having green fingertips after the presentation.

What are the unlabelled plants in the front?

Dave

TurfdudeNCSU
04-18-2007, 09:34 PM
Yes, we use dynascapes.. Have had it for about 2 years and love it. They are coming out with a color feature this year so that it automatically colors the plans. It's costly at first and takes a while to learn but worth it at the end.

chunkitron3030
04-18-2007, 11:12 PM
the "unlabeled" plants actually have a small E on them. but they are plants that are Existing and the customer wants us to work around them, so we are.

ribbie78
04-19-2007, 12:12 AM
Chunk- does your customer always leave their windows open?? :dancing:

chunkitron3030
04-19-2007, 12:14 AM
believe it or not, most of all the houses we have done, have open windows. its been pretty comfy weather here lately. plus its a generic window scheme i use....

ribbie78
04-19-2007, 12:17 AM
open windows would be real nice here; I had to put more fuel oil in my furnace this week.... :hammerhead:

Mowing near the lake tonight I felt the temp drop about 10 degrees in only a few minutes; and it wasn't a storm rolling in, just cold, cold, and more cold. *trucewhiteflag*

CutRight
04-19-2007, 12:34 PM
heres a graphics book that i use all the time, i just trace stuff right out of it
very helpful

Landscape Graphics by Grant W. Reid

chunkitron3030
04-19-2007, 01:58 PM
i just checked with the local library and they have a copy of that book. i am going after work today to pick it up and if i like it i found some on ebay for about 20 bucks so i can keep it. the color schemes i dont seem to have a problem with, it is just finding the correct shape i need to use. i am slowly catching on though i think...

CutRight
04-20-2007, 11:04 AM
i bought if off of amazon for about $16

Ramairfreak98ss
04-21-2007, 01:23 AM
damn that looks neat.. i dont do all that. If my clients want any drawing of any sort there is a $150.00 design fee that is bundled into the landscape quote if they decide to go through with it. I stopped working 24 hours for a customer for a 20k job then them deciding to have 5k worth of work done by some jo-smoe company after they probably showed them my plan:hammerhead:

Anyway, the most i do is a 2D overhead layout onthe computer and all the plant locations and descriptions are drawn in. If i actually spent all the time to layout the pictures of what things looked like, size etc on a computer program that was $2k, youd bet id be charging an arm& a leg for that kind of service.:)

leaflandscape
04-28-2007, 02:41 PM
Circle templates are a MUST, they help to very quickly speed up your drawing process and they give you a great line. Square templates will come in handy too.