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Lost Pine
04-13-2007, 09:34 PM
I know landscapng, but NOT seal coating. I had a guy come past my house and offer, because it was the begining of the season and things were slow(you know the pitch) to do my 7,000 sqft driveway for $500.

My question is, Is there a way you can get cheated in the bussiness ? Too thin a mix, wrong mix, etc ? What should I look for ?

Thanks

toddq33
04-15-2007, 02:31 PM
Yes ask for the name and brand of product he uses, ask him where his supplier is located. Ask for business license and references and insurance info. Check to see if he has been in business very long. Many folks go around with a truck looking for business offering a huge discount to get it done now. They usually dont have a business license, offer any guarantee, and when something goes wrong they are never heard from again.

He quoted you approx. 7 cents a foot which in my area is fair. Not a real discount. Although I would suspect that later in the year you will be looking at at least 10 cents.

Be sure to get references and check them.

Todd

toddsasphalt
04-15-2007, 07:58 PM
What type of sealer is the contractor offering to seal your driveway with. Coal Tar or Asphalt emulsion or a blend of both. I would not recommend anything but 100% coal tar emulsion because of its chemical makeup. How much sand is in the mixture, how much water, does he use additives or not.Is he going to spray or brush apply the sealer on your pavement. If he is going to spray you can be sure that you are going to get a thin coat compared to a squeegee application. Also with a spray application, be ready for the sealer to land halfway up your retaining wall. Does he live in the area? If there is a problem you want to be sure that you can track him down. I would also ask for references and insurance. You also want the ability to pay for the application a day or two after the work is completed. This way you can review workmanship before final payment.

upstateasphalt.com
04-16-2007, 10:54 PM
todd it sounds like your a tough nut to crack your gonna make the guy nervous. A 10,000 sq.ft driveway could get done for 500 cash deal all day especially spraying the job. Usually you have about 2000 square near the house and the rest is the drive edged with grass when we spray private drives and long driveways we edge them out along the house and any landscape blocks or pavers then apply a very generous coat or sealer with the spray wand and finished with the brush .
ps maybe ask for a refence but don't break the guys balls that bad or he will walk away i would.......it's only 500$ i seal lots for 10,000$$ with less hassle....lol

toddsasphalt
04-16-2007, 11:45 PM
Most of the contactors that spray driveways in my area are travelers from the south. It amazes me when they spend $500.00 on a seal coating job which lasts a week. They usually have one guy spraying your driveway and two guys trying to break into your home through the back door. Not breaking anyones balls, I would at least ask for references and recommend get a local contractor just in case there is a problem with application.

toddq33
04-16-2007, 11:48 PM
Your probably right, but that is all the information I always have with me when approaching new customers, and old customers for that matter. Can never be too ready for them. $500 cash for 10,000 sq. feet. Absolutely if they want it done imediately. If they want it scheduled the first wed. of next month, regular pricing.

Todd


todd it sounds like your a tough nut to crack your gonna make the guy nervous. A 10,000 sq.ft driveway could get done for 500 cash deal all day especially spraying the job. Usually you have about 2000 square near the house and the rest is the drive edged with grass when we spray private drives and long driveways we edge them out along the house and any landscape blocks or pavers then apply a very generous coat or sealer with the spray wand and finished with the brush .
ps maybe ask for a refence but don't break the guys balls that bad or he will walk away i would.......it's only 500$ i seal lots for 10,000$$ with less hassle....lol

upstateasphalt.com
04-17-2007, 11:46 PM
i agree that should sell you on your web site . all they have to do is click and they can see what your about .
all they have to do is peak at mine and i got the job . out of town or not ,100 or 500 i will get the job image is every thing.

www.upstateasphalt.com

SealAndCoat
06-12-2007, 07:18 PM
I don't know if you had it done, but $500 seems way too cheap.

In regards to spray: You can spray thicker with a spray wand than with squeegee if you let yourself. It just depends on the operator and the mix.

Always beware of very uncalculated even numbers. I rarely quote a job that comes out to even #'s, usually after you do the math, tax, etc it comes out to a random number.

TLS
06-12-2007, 07:22 PM
There was a company going around last year sealing driveways....

The stuff they applied was like gloss black spray paint.

Looked like hell if you ask me. What product would this have been?

denangme
06-12-2007, 08:17 PM
Was my area the only place that sealer jumped 50 cents/gal. ? I won't do anything for under .14 cents/sq.ft., heck my supplier gets 19 to 22 cents all day long..... I'd rather do one drive for 16 cents, than 2 for 8 cents.......

toddsasphalt
06-12-2007, 10:11 PM
In my area ( Western Pa) we have also experienced price increases not only with the price of concentrate but recently the price of sand has increased a few dollars a bag. Along with the fuel cost for giving estimates and getting to a job, I have increased my pricing from last year at least five cents a square foot and I am very competive in my area.

crheiser
07-20-2007, 04:19 PM
Well, this has been helpful. Ok, I got a quote from a guy who has his own company...sealing driveways and staining fences. He would charge me $695 for pressure washing, sealing cracks, and applying sealcoat to the 2427 square feet of exposed aggregate that I have (driveway, walkways, and front porch). Is that reasonable? This is middle TN, by the way....

toddsasphalt
07-20-2007, 11:30 PM
Without seeing the area it is hard to give an opinion. If it was simply a driveway without any cracks I would say that the price may be a little high. You have to consider the cost and time for power washing not only the driveway but the side walk and porch. Also, the crack filler and labor needed to clean and fill your cracks is also hard to give an opinion without the seeing the amount and size of cracks located throughout your pavement. As with all projects, it always nice to get another estimate from a reputable local contractor for the scope of work you need to have completed.

denangme
07-22-2007, 12:02 PM
I agree with Todd. Also, don't be afraid to ask for references on past jobs completed......

NealMfg
07-25-2007, 05:04 PM
SEAL and COAT is right dont use some one that just pops out an even number
try to use a pro with pro equipment.Your job will have a much higher quality
The work is just like the equipment.You get what you pay for!!!!

NealMfg/SalesMgr
08-03-2007, 02:27 PM
When I was in the sealcoating business honestly, I tried to stay away from residetial work because of lack of profit to cover overhead. With that said it dosent mean that I didnt get involved in residential at some point.

Contrary to earlyer posts I think either Asphalt or Coal Tar based products are fine for residential because you have less traffic and more cure time. REMEMBER guys Coal Tar will soon be a product of the past so warm up to a good asphalt emulsion and a piston pump to pump it because this is the sealer of the future whether you know it or not!! The diaphragm will not pump the future AEs dont wait for this fact to become reality!!

One of the biggest scams I ran into was the contractor offering "Hot Sealer". Ok that got your attention now didnt it!!! The contractor would offer hot sealer that lasts longer and "what a bargin cause I like you"!!! but you need to stay off of it for at least 2 days. What hes really saying is stay off long enough for the check to clear before you find out I put down RC70 instead of sealer. RC 70 is a tack material that is used between an asphalt overlay to bond the 2 surfaces. This material when promoted as hot sealer will dry to a tacky finish that will track into the house and out of the driveway for at least 2 weeks before curing. By that time the contractor is long gone and the 800 number he left you is diconnected.

Why do they do this? RC 70 has a coverage rate of about three to five times that of sealer so the fact that it cost about another .70 per gallon still makes the material investment a fraction of what sealer costs and some of these guys even go as far as to mix Gas with it to make it go futher.

The best way to combat this as a residential consumer is to ask for a recept dated the same day for the material make sure that it is either Coal Tar or Asphalt based sealer. Once the material is sprayed if it has a glassy shine to it its probably RC 70. But you will know right away who yr dealing with if hes pushing "Hot Sealer" if that ever comes out of his mouth close the door and call the Police!!!