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nosparkplugs
04-28-2007, 12:06 AM
Last Friday, while performing our weekly maintenance at one of my Apartment complex's there is a large 2 acre field that is shared with another apartment complex we mow it, the tentant park their vehicles along the edge of the field. A Crazy maintenance/handyman acused us of throwing rocks up side his already trashed F-150, I inspected the truck we did not throw any rocks against his door, plus I use as Walker GHS, and mulching plates on other decks. Anyway I told the guy to call the police, he did the police showed up just as we were loading up to leave 45 minutes later, anyway the officer said the guy did not have a vaild complant/ no police report. The guy waited for the police to leave, then drove onto our apartment complex's property got out of his truck with a gun!! on his hip, brandishing this gun talking crazy!. I carry a Kahr PM-40 in my pocket for this reason, and have a concealed carry permit, I could have defended myself, with deadly force I chose to talk him into leaving, please be careful, next time I would make sure to ask the police to stay until one of use left the area, and come to find out he was not who he said he was, this guy was crazy what has this world come to. I have been carrying for 3 years now first confrontation that involved a weapon/gun

lawnman_scott
04-28-2007, 12:40 AM
Am I missing something? The police are called when rocks are alledgedly accidentally thrown by a mower, but not when people start confrontations with others brandishing guns????????

cpel2004
04-28-2007, 12:40 AM
You should have blasted his azz and asked questions later. I live in South Florida the land of riods and the I wanna be just like the guy in the rap video. For that very reason I'm thinking about buying a gun. I don't care if they are crazy or just trying to act tough but some thing has to give and its not going to be me.

Nathan Robinson
04-28-2007, 12:45 AM
scott...you crack me up man! Anyhow, any guy flaunting a gun is a guy with no balls and wants his hin to simulate him having a pair. There no need for you to pack a gun when you can throw rocks anyways....lol.... I wouldnt worry about him and I would contact his superviser about him trying to intice you to a fight before he goes to them bashing you asking to request bids from other providers!

Vikings
04-28-2007, 12:46 AM
American's:laugh: :usflag:
http://www.tcf.ua.edu/Classes/Jbutler/T440/WayneStagecoach01.jpg

Chilehead
04-28-2007, 12:54 AM
I carry a machete with me in my truck. I use it as a tool for knocking down brush. If anyone dare tried to hold me at gunpoint, I'd make sure I did what I had to in order to leave the confrontation alive. Then, I'd make sure to track the joker down, slice off his head, drive it on a stake, drive the stake to the ground, pour gasoline on his head, and light it on fire. I'd make sure that the remaining skull would serve as a trophy on my mantle. The carcass I would feed to some gators 2 hours away. Now that--THAT would be my style.

nosparkplugs
04-28-2007, 01:06 AM
The brandshing lasted maybe 1 minute, and he was gone, left the scene, If I was in Floridia I would have shot him, you all have the gun law(FL), that allows you to only have to FEEL a threat to use deadly force. Makes me want to carry cowboy style, with my Springfield XD 40 3" service model & IWB Galco holster. This is an example crazy people don't pull guns with police around they wait for them to leave. This is a wake up call for me next time I must defend myself, but I will make sure that if I can, get the police involved every situation is different. This guy got his gun after ther police left, and drove over to our truck & trailer.

crab
04-28-2007, 01:12 AM
Nice work vikings,how is the weather up there buddy!:usflag:

fiveoboy01
04-28-2007, 01:47 AM
I'd say in this case(though I don't know the law specifically in TN), if he was brandishing, and/or pointing the weapon at you, and you did not provoke him, you would have been justified in shooting him.

And if someone was brandishing like that at me, and I was carrying, that's exactly what I would have done. Obviously this guy was a nutcase, you knew it, the cop knew it. I wouldn't have taken the chance to "talk him down". If he'd left the gun in its holster yeah, that's different, but if he drew on me that changes things considerably.

I'd hope you called the police after the incident... Did you?

sheshovel
04-28-2007, 03:41 AM
Last Friday, while performing our weekly maintenance at one of my Apartment complex's there is a large 2 acre field that is shared with another apartment complex we mow it, the tentant park their vehicles along the edge of the field. A Crazy maintenance/handyman acused us of throwing rocks up side his already trashed F-150, I inspected the truck we did not throw any rocks against his door, plus I use as Walker GHS, and mulching plates on other decks. Anyway I told the guy to call the police, he did the police showed up just as we were loading up to leave 45 minutes later, anyway the officer said the guy did not have a vaild complant/ no police report. The guy waited for the police to leave, then drove onto our apartment complex's property got out of his truck with a gun!! on his hip, brandishing this gun talking crazy!. I carry a Kahr PM-40 in my pocket for this reason, and have a concealed carry permit, I could have defended myself, with deadly force I chose to talk him into leaving, please be careful, next time I would make sure to ask the police to stay until one of use left the area, and come to find out he was not who he said he was, this guy was crazy what has this world come to. I have been carrying for 3 years now first confrontation that involved a weapon/gun

You think you would have had time to take your gun out of your pocket, release the safety and shoot him before he shot you dead? You were lucky, if you are going to carry a concealed weapon, use a shoulder holster or carry it where you can get to it and use it quickly. Or get in your truck and get the hell out of there! Did he un-holster the gun? I would have left immediately called the cops or drove to the station and filed a report. He will be there next time you are working there so the cops need to know about this.

CustomKare
04-28-2007, 05:31 AM
That's it, I'm building a gun rack for my Wright Stander. no more messin around. It will come in handy for low ballers and PITA's!

This should increase my business dramatically!

RedMax Man
04-28-2007, 09:36 AM
That's it, I'm building a gun rack for my Wright Stander. no more messin around. It will come in handy for low ballers and PITA's!

This should increase my business dramatically!

:laugh: You could also mount a rifle on the racks where you put the trimmers on the trailer.

MOW PRO LAWN SERVICE
04-28-2007, 09:38 AM
American's:laugh: :usflag:
http://www.tcf.ua.edu/Classes/Jbutler/T440/WayneStagecoach01.jpg

Kool make a avatar

topsites
04-28-2007, 10:08 AM
Well that would just so totally suck :cry:

txgrassguy
04-28-2007, 10:33 AM
Sheshovel, how fast one engages a threat doesn't mean they will come out of a gun fight alright.
The important facet is to score the first telling hit, preferably fatal - this is the victor in a confrontation such as the original poster described.
Without being present at the original confrontation when a weapon was brandished, I cannot say how I would of responded. Although I do know I carry for exactly this reason.

TPnTX
04-28-2007, 10:35 AM
Chilehead, [I carry a machete with me in my truck.]

Bringing a knife to a gunfight does not work out too well usually. ;)

A friend of mine was gunned down two years ago in Commerce Texas. He wasn't an LCO he was a City inspector and was serving a citation for junk on a residencial property. So the home owner's crazy son goes into the house and gets a gun, comes back out and unloads on Mike hitting him and his truck. The guy reloads and finishes Mike off unloading the revolver again.

The trial is in the jury selection stage as we speak.

mverick
04-28-2007, 11:11 AM
If you shoot someone you better be ready to pay.

1 of 2 things will happen.

1. You will go to jail for a long to a long long time..

2. You will pay a lawyer a WHOLE LOT OF MONEY and probably go bankrupt.

It doesn't matter if you're right.

Having it on his hip doesn't mean you can shoot him.

Pointing it at you does.

But, it's still gonna cost you everything.

fiveoboy01
04-28-2007, 12:09 PM
Not necessarily. There's gotta be someone there to file the civil suit.

But for the most part I agree with you, if you're no-billed, you're still facing a civil suit most likely, and it's going to cost you a ton of money. Too bad.

It's my opinion that if no charges are filed against the shooter, or if they are found not-guilty due to self-defense, that civil charges should not be allowed.

fiveoboy01
04-28-2007, 12:11 PM
release the safety

The best carry guns(Glocks IMHO) don't have safties.

txgrassguy
04-28-2007, 02:24 PM
I can state with some certainty that civil suits are filed in a vast minority of justifiable shootings. I will not get into the specifics of the times I had to act, and the three separate states where they occurred, yet I can say if you have acted appropriately, and are able to elucidate the rationalization for your actions, no economic harm will befall.

sheshovel
04-28-2007, 04:25 PM
I for one would certainly not carry a Glock in, my pocket at work, safety or not.

fiveoboy01
04-28-2007, 06:37 PM
I for one would certainly not carry a Glock in, my pocket at work, safety or not.


I agree with you, but I didn't say a thing about carrying in your pocket.

Any gun should be holstered in one way or another while being carried, safety or not. Any other method is an open invitation to shoot yourself.

Toy2
04-28-2007, 08:23 PM
If you carry a gun, you better have the brass set to back it up...boom, boom to center mass....end of story.

General Landscaping
04-28-2007, 11:23 PM
Ask OJ about the difference between criminal and civil suits.

criminal ----->:walking:
cival----->:cry:

txgrassguy
04-29-2007, 02:45 PM
I for one would certainly not carry a Glock in, my pocket at work, safety or not.

Sheshovel, I carry a S&W model 36 five shot revolver in my pocket.
I have carried similar framed weapons like this, in this manner for over twenty years and haven't shot myself yet.
Carrying a weapon safely isn't difficult. Commit to a course of training, practice, practice, practice, and be levelheaded - everything will be fine.
Works for me, and I, for one intend to continue on in this fashion.
Have fun.

JJLandscapes
04-29-2007, 08:53 PM
you rednecks are crazy

fiveoboy01
04-30-2007, 12:02 AM
Shouldn't you be washing mommy's car or something?

txgrassguy
04-30-2007, 08:28 AM
you rednecks are crazy

Why, because I refuse to be a victim?
For your information I am originally from the North East. I moved to Texas as
the pandering, liberal crap you new yorkers were vomiting was/remains disgusting. So shove that up your benz.

Eakern & Dog
04-30-2007, 08:41 AM
If you shoot someone you better be ready to pay.

1 of 2 things will happen.

1. You will go to jail for a long to a long long time..

2. You will pay a lawyer a WHOLE LOT OF MONEY and probably go bankrupt.

It doesn't matter if you're right.

Having it on his hip doesn't mean you can shoot him.

Pointing it at you does.

But, it's still gonna cost you everything

Very true ! Yet, while I don't advocate a return to the Wild West, I'd rather be judged by 12 then carried by 8 :)

JJLandscapes
05-01-2007, 09:14 PM
Why, because I refuse to be a victim?
For your information I am originally from the North East. I moved to Texas as
the pandering, liberal crap you new yorkers were vomiting was/remains disgusting. So shove that up your benz.

because you carry a gun while working and you arent the only one apparently.

FATWEASEL
05-01-2007, 11:27 PM
My parents used to own a business. Burglarized a couple times but my dad was held up at gun point once. My mom carried a Ladysmith .38 (5 shot SS +P.) It had a safety but designed with no hammer to get caught in a purse or pocket and shoot yourself. My dad carried a Ruger Redhawk .357 with Black Talons. Unfortunately, employees were in the line of fire during the robbery. In hindsight, he was glad that the kid took the money and left but I know he was kind of bothered that he couldn't take that POS off the street.

All the excitement happened whenever I wasn't there. :hammerhead: At the time, I carried a P85 with Golden Sabres, which I liked better than the BTs. I wouldn't have hesitated to layed that joker down. I worked for the state prison at the time and dealt with this kind of scum all the time. I hate a :gunsfirin thief.:angry:

My parents were/are well liked by lots of people. I wasn't there but was told that the parking lot looked like a police station from two counties and three towns. Nothing new, but my folks were told by all badges to shoot to kill unless they wanted to pay any SOB like that, the rest of their life.

Like someone said, rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6, unless your fat, then it's 8.:laugh: Besides, jurors usually look at business owners favorably when faced with use of deadly force cases. Business owner=hard working contributing employer to the community versus lowlife lazy leaching thief.:nono:

Gilla Gorilla
05-02-2007, 12:06 AM
Hey Nosparkplugs

You would'nt happen to be a member of the XDtalk.com forum would you. I am registered over there.

txgrassguy
05-02-2007, 12:15 AM
because you carry a gun while working and you arent the only one apparently.


What kind of a rationalization is this?
I choose to defend myself by carrying a weapon so I am crazy?
I, for one, refuse to be a victim and WILL NOT be a victim.

sheshovel
05-02-2007, 12:44 AM
I agree with you, but I didn't say a thing about carrying in your pocket.

Any gun should be holstered in one way or another while being carried, safety or not. Any other method is an open invitation to shoot yourself.

No but the person who started this thread DID state he carried the gun in his pocket. Pay attention now, there will be a test later.

fiveoboy01
05-02-2007, 12:44 AM
He's from NY, he doesn't understand rational thought.

fiveoboy01
05-02-2007, 12:45 AM
No but the person who started this thread DID state he carried the gun in his pocket. Pay attention now, there will be a test later.


Oops, you're right.

Hang on, let me stuff a sock in my mouth, lol.

EDIT - I'd like to add that some companies DO make pocket holsters for pocket carry. Dunno if the OP was using one or not... But carrying a pistol in your pocket with an un-protected trigger isn't too smart.

txgrassguy
05-02-2007, 01:50 AM
Oops, you're right.

Hang on, let me stuff a sock in my mouth, lol.

EDIT - I'd like to add that some companies DO make pocket holsters for pocket carry. Dunno if the OP was using one or not... But carrying a pistol in your pocket with an un-protected trigger isn't too smart.

What you and others here fail to realize is that carrying a weapon in your pocket is safe.
When the weapon is withdrawn from the pocket, or holster for that matter, the trigger finger is not supposed to be on the trigger.
When the sights are on the target you wish to engage, then and only then is your trigger finger on the trigger.
Until such time as the trigger is depressed enough to release the sear, or in the case of S&W revolvers, the rebound block/transfer bar/second sear on the double action portion of the hammer, a properly functioning weapon cannot fire unless the trigger is actuated. Colt revolvers are slightly different however the process remains the same.
As far as modern double action semi-automatics, and this includes striker weapons such as the Glock, S&W MP series, Sigs, Walthers, CZ's, and others, a safe weapon cannot be made to fire unless the trigger mechanism is actuated.
I speak of many years experience, as a small arms instructor, armorer and NRA Distinguished Expert and Certified Instructor.

sheshovel
05-02-2007, 02:12 AM
Ok my question to you is, do you think he would have had time to get that gun out of his pocket and draw down and shot that man before that man shot him?

fiveoboy01
05-02-2007, 03:48 AM
What you and others here fail to realize is that carrying a weapon in your pocket is safe.
When the weapon is withdrawn from the pocket, or holster for that matter, the trigger finger is not supposed to be on the trigger.
When the sights are on the target you wish to engage, then and only then is your trigger finger on the trigger.
Until such time as the trigger is depressed enough to release the sear, or in the case of S&W revolvers, the rebound block/transfer bar/second sear on the double action portion of the hammer, a properly functioning weapon cannot fire unless the trigger is actuated. Colt revolvers are slightly different however the process remains the same.
As far as modern double action semi-automatics, and this includes striker weapons such as the Glock, S&W MP series, Sigs, Walthers, CZ's, and others, a safe weapon cannot be made to fire unless the trigger mechanism is actuated.
I speak of many years experience, as a small arms instructor, armorer and NRA Distinguished Expert and Certified Instructor.

I'm fully aware that any modern gun that is designed correctly will not fire unless the trigger is pulled. Although there are many who are "floored" by the thought of someone carrying a safety-less gun such as the Glock(specifically carrying one with a round chambered), or the "cocked and locked" 1911. IMO, those fears are un-founded and based in urban legends for the most part. I've seen no evidence that any weapons in condition 1(even condition 0 for that matter) will fire without the trigger being pulled. Does that mean I'd carry any pistol(safety equipped or not) in condition 0, even if holstered? No way. That being said, I'll stand by my statement that it's unwise to carry a gun un-holstered in any way shape or form. Except maybe condition 4 which makes it useless to carry anyhow:laugh:

fiveoboy01
05-02-2007, 03:53 AM
Ok my question to you is, do you think he would have had time to get that gun out of his pocket and draw down and shot that man before that man shot him?

Maybe, maybe not. Depends on how fast the other guy can react, and there are tactics I have read about which may be able to buy a person the second or two they need to draw and fire if they are fast enough. If you can interrupt someone's thought processes, you may be able to get them before they get you. Google "OODA Loop" or "Boyd's Circle" for an explanation.

americanlawn
05-02-2007, 10:26 PM
Holy sh$t sparkpug....not where I would want to live for sure.

Not to be predujous, but was this in a 'black' or 'white trash' neghborhood? Meth labs?

Back in the late 70's, my buddy was branch manager for ChemLawn in Harvey, Illinois. South side of Chicago. 3 of his drivers carried guns underneath of their seats. They also locked their trucks once parked.

These 3 specialists had one thing in common.....their routes were in "Negroe" neighborhoods.

Is this your situation? Cuz it seems like this neighborhood is comprised of desparate people with no regards to the rights of others???

stroker51
05-02-2007, 11:58 PM
JJlandscapes, i might be a crazy redneck, but let someone try to break into my house or rob me in my truck and we'll see who's crazy. I don't have a conceal/carry permit, yet. I'm not yet 21, but as soon as I turn i'll be getting whatever licensing I need so that i can conceal. I obviously don't carry on my person, but I've got a gun rack on the back of the seat in my supercab powerstroke with my ruger 10-22, not a lot of gun, but it would beat having nothing. In the winter time in my chore truck I carry the .270 with me to work. Checking cows, if I see a coyote, I blast it get it away from the calves. I carry a hi-power rifle to work with me then, is that crazy? I realize you were referring to this field of work, but that is just another example of places I carry to that one wouldn't think dangerous.

Andre_Hedegaard
05-11-2007, 04:47 AM
Luckily I live in a country where its illegal for a private citizen to carry a gun. Noone has a gun, unless its from a big city, theres probably a 1% chance of some "gangster type" to be carrying.

Luckily I live where we don't lock our doors, and sometimes leave our keys in the car ignition overnight.
In the state i live in, violent crime happens, oh say, once every 3-6 months or so, where someone got beaten up.

Of course, if I were to live in a country where it would be legal to own a gun, I would probably be carrying myself for self defence. Its a damaging circle.

I'm glad you managed to talk him out of it though, violent force, should always be the last option, unless its the only option, then it should be done as soon as possible, before the opponent realises.