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Dingo
03-02-2000, 05:35 PM
I cannot charge 50-60 per yard like everyone else charges. What should i charge?<br>Dingo

nlminc
03-02-2000, 05:42 PM
Why can't you charge that? I would charge 60.00 min. to deliver and spread mulch.

curlawngreen
03-02-2000, 05:44 PM
If it is for MY client I charge $12.00 over the cost of wood mulch. It will make my life easier in the long run, less weeds, better looking ptoperty,etc.

Keith
03-02-2000, 06:08 PM
Does the customer know it will take 16 yards?<br>Charge for the job not for the yards of mulch. <p>I agree, I cannot get the $50-60 a yard either. The market is too competitive and people won't pay $240 for 4 yards of mulch. But they might pay $200 for the mulch on my trailer :) They don't need to know if it is 4 yards or 6 yards...know what I mean? You don't break down the cost of your fertilizer and charge by the bag, don't do it with the mulch either.

MJM Landscaping Inc
03-02-2000, 06:49 PM
I agree with Keith. Do not charge by the yard. Use it to figure your price but dont tell the customer.I charge 65-75 a yard, do you think i would get that if i told them that! If someone calls you on the phone and ask you &quot;How much do you charge a yard?&quot; Tell them that you price by the job not the yard and that you would be more than happy to give them an estimate. In all likelihood they will tell you that they will call you back. They were only price shopping and you dont want them anyway. The best way to weed out the undesirables and price shoppers is to NEVER give a price over the phone. (That also means how much you charge to mow an acre of grass ect.) My 2 cents.<br>Mark

Dingo
03-02-2000, 09:33 PM
ok, what would you price a mulching job that needed 16 yards of mulch and it was spread 2&quot; thick. You have to bring the mulch and it is not a far trip from the trailer to the beds. Price it as a job not by the yards like all you guys say to do. Thanks for the help<br>Dingo

cjcland
03-02-2000, 10:57 PM
how many squre feet does a yard actually cover at 2 inches thick<p>----------<br>CJC Landscape Management<br>Winter Haven, Florida

Dingo
03-02-2000, 11:11 PM
I have been told 162-170 sq. ft. is this right guys? <br>Dingo<br>

pete
03-02-2000, 11:31 PM
Yeah those numbers are right if you crunch the numbers. I think that this is a generous estimate becase its hard to put 2 inches down. i would figure more like 120-140 sq ft for a yard.

Dingo
03-03-2000, 04:02 PM
I also have a guy who wants me to big on 1780 sq/ft of mulch work that would take around 19yds cause he wants the bed in the front 3&quot; and the ones in the back 2&quot; the beds are easy get to. If someone could please give me an idea of what they would charge. I also am not sure how long it would take. If you have a pretty good idea of how long it would take one person please let me know i would greatly appreciate it.<br>Dingo

curlawngreen
03-03-2000, 04:55 PM
I would tell your client it will be 14-17 yards. Cost per yard is ( I charge $12.00 over cost of mulch. I throw 1.75 per hour )<br>You can charge what you need to make the day or the week.

JimLewis
03-03-2000, 10:11 PM
Well, in Oregon we use barkdust rather than mulch 95% of the time. It's just like mulch but lighter and a little easier to spread. It costs $99 per unit (7.5 yards) around here and I can spread a whole unit in 2.5 - 3 hours myself. My workers can usually spread a unit in 3-4 hours. So I charge $250 per unit, if I have to break it down to a cost-per-unit analysis. <p>But I often don't have to. I totally agree with Keith here. I wouldn't break it down to a cost-per-yard or cost-per-unit price if I didn't have to. What I usually do is look over the lot, estimate how much it will take, estimate how rich they are, estimate how impressed they are with our company, etc..... and then I say something like &quot;Well, for this lot, we could spread barkdust for $X.&quot; And I usually get $250 for 1/2 a unit because they have no idea how much I am using. But if they ask 'How much barkdust will that be?' I always say, &quot;Well, I don't know for sure, but I estimate we will use a ABOUT a unit. And if I use more, you won't have to pay a dime more.&quot; In reality, I do know pretty well what it'll be. And it's probably closer to 4 or 5 yards. But they have no idea how much that is. I show up with two pickup loads and that could be a unit for all they know. And in fact, I can fit a whole unit in two of my pickup trucks. But I don't often do that. <p>I don't know if that helps at all but that's my 2¢<p>Jim <p>----------<br>Jim Lewis - Lewis Landscape Services<br>http://www.lewislandscape.com

curlawngreen
03-04-2000, 01:08 AM
If your new client wants you to put down 2&quot; of mulch this spring,just like he has done for the past 10 years, and he knows it takes<br>16 yards of mulch that he has bought for $21.00 a yard delivered,what do you tell him<br>the charge is going to be.Maybe its just me but most of my clients have some idea as to what fair market value is. Most are in business or too old to do it themselves.<br>

HOMER
03-04-2000, 02:44 AM
Jim, exactly what is bark dust? We do not have it in this area and I was looking at the latest PRO Magazine and saw the machine that will blow it in the beds. Got me wondering about the feasability of using one and the &quot;newness&quot; affect. I might be able to convert my customers over if it looks good and doesn't wash out during heavy rains. I can get bark for free so a supply wouldn't be a problem. Once the machine paid for itself it would be smooth sailing afterwards.<p>Homer

ALS
03-04-2000, 08:53 PM
I have just purchased a Finn Bark Blower (trailer mount). I only wish I had bought one sooner. Two or three employees can do the work of ten in on third the time. My guys do not ***** about having to spread mulch anymore, and everyone is calling me to sub their work. I can mulch in the rain or on soft ground and not do any damage to the turf whatsoever. What a dream machine. <p>Rick<br>Ace Landscape Services<br>Delaware

ChrisYanik
03-05-2000, 12:14 AM
This business is all about priceing....Oh course people are going to price shop. Have you ever price shopped for some sort of service before. People need to know how much your going to charge them.. You all should reveal your priceing stragies to your customers. That way, they'll have a better idea of the price you might charge for a particular service. 50-60 dollars a yard is about what I charge to deliver and spread the mulch.. Of course I do charge extra for edging and general bed preperation. <p>Bottom line.....Don't ever think that your charging to much.<p>There's my two cents <br>

ashlandscaping
03-05-2000, 03:01 PM
First off ALS what did that machine cost you??? Next try to just give a price for the total job. As far as Curlawn you are telling us that you make about $ 12 per hour for mulch?? If that is so why do it. It takes time and for that little bit of money it not worth the time. In this area going rate is around $ 40 to 75 per yard depending on kind of mulch. Thats with us getting the mulch. If they will have it dropped and want it spread then it is hourly. Yes last year homeowner Joe had them drop off 16 yards of mulch and he spread them. So what that means is he orders 18 or 20 yards got 15 or 16 yards and is trying to make you eat some of the cost. Or his last landscaper told him they put down 16 yards of mulch when in reality it took 12 yards. When we have to break it down to yards we always add on more to cover our a#@ since you know they will come out it looks thin or can you raise it up a little or this is only 2 inches we wanted 3 inches. Best bet NEVER say how many yards always say around 2 inches or 3 inches leaving your self some room if it spreads thin here. Tell them what they need to know with the least amount of info they need. BUT Thats my thoughts.

curlawngreen
03-05-2000, 04:34 PM
It is true that I throw mulch for $21.00 per hour. I hat it but it is something that has to be done for my clients landscape. My mulch costs $21.20 a yard and I throw it for $35.00<br>a yard. I have no problem showing my custemer the bill so they know they got what they paid for, nor do I have a problem showing them the bill for services rendered.I try to honest.<br>Everyone in the world knows you have to make money to stay in business.If you are honest people do NOT mind paying you for your service.My .02 worth.

parkwest
03-05-2000, 06:06 PM
Curly,<p>Next time you buy a truck tell the dealer you want to have an exact job cost on it and if you don't like it you will let them know what you think is a fair price for everyone involved.<p>Good luck

MJM Landscaping Inc
03-05-2000, 07:03 PM
Chris, I guess i should clarify my answer. I will tell my existing clients what I charge per yard. I will then give the an estimate of how many yards it will take. They know my work and they know im honest so that usually works well. I was trying to make a point to not give that info out over the phone to potential clients.<br>Mark A Musolf

ALS
03-05-2000, 08:24 PM
Ok, i forgot some info about the miracle machine. $33,000.00 non-negotiable. I am running it this year expecting no profit, but to maintain itself and crew. I should pay it off this year. I have a variable rate when I am a sub. The average is $45/yard. However if they need my loader or extra men I add on accordingly. When mulching for myself I range from $45-55/yard. Checkout finncorp.com to see a picture of the equipment. While its is pricey you can be the first kid on the block and corner the business. I have been contacted for almost 3,000 yards worth of work this spring. I gave the business a new name so that people would not get nervous about me trying to steal their business with my landscape business. I already have to much.