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americanlawn
05-21-2007, 08:32 PM
For the past four years or so, I have experienced redness/blistering on parts of my hands during the season when I use Banner or Compass fungicides, as well as Scimitar & Crosscheck insecticides.

Two years ago, I went to a dermatologist, and he prescribed Clobetasol Propionate USP, 0.05%. I use this cream periodically, and it "contains" the problem during the growing season. My symtoms go away during the winter, but symptoms always return the following spring.

I wear spray gloves, but I only clean them thoroughly every two weeks or so.

I know this is an allergy that other employees do not seem to have a problem with ???

Bottom line: Anybody having these skin allergies? Thanks.

ampeg76
05-22-2007, 04:00 AM
lesco's manicure seems to irritate(daconil), but i no longer use that product!

do you wear long sleeved shirts? is sweat carrying the drift towards your gloves and hands?

blistering is not very cool, and would cause much concern if that happened to me:(

cheers
mike

GrazerZ
05-22-2007, 08:21 AM
I don't have any problems. But I would sugesst wearing long sleeves and tgrowing the gloves out every two weeks. Wash them dailiy if possible with a clean pair to rotate. This is what I do.

Ric
05-22-2007, 10:21 AM
I don't have any problems. But I would sugesst wearing long sleeves and tgrowing the gloves out every two weeks. Wash them dailiy if possible with a clean pair to rotate. This is what I do.

Grazer

I add "Corn Huskers" hand lotions to the inside of my gloves. In summer heat my hands will sweat naturally inside the gloves and the lanolin in the hand lotion gives me a free manicure. My hands look like I don't work with them or more like an executive's hands as a result of the soaking in lanolin inside the gloves.

Yes gloves need to be changed out twice a month at least. Washed daily only makes good sense.

upidstay
05-22-2007, 04:23 PM
I use disposable nitrile gloves as liners. I used to get a very nasty fungal rash every year after about a week of wearing spray gloves. My skin doc said to replace my gloves every few days. That got $$, so I tried the disposable nitrile ones. $8-10 for a box of 100, less if you buy bulk.

You could be allergic to those products. You can develop allergies to virtually anything. Chemicals, foods, name it.

americanlawn
05-22-2007, 06:20 PM
Thanks all for the good tips. I've heard of guys absorbing the fumes through the air (dermally) - especially pyrethrin-based products. (Much news on the web re: Scimitar)

Back in my ChemScape days in Texas, we sprayed trees/shrubs/vines/ground cover with FIVE pesticides all at once. 2 insecticides, 2 fungicides, and 1 miticide. Plus spreader/sticker and "polyN" (to buffer the pH of the alkaline water). One of the fungicides was Mancozeb (zinc-based), and my arms broke out really badly from it -- had to drop it from my mix. ChemLawn eventually dropped Manozeb altogether cuz other tree/shrub specialists around the U.S. also had the same reactions. We had blood drawn every two weeks, but that was merely to test for colonestrace levels. The "lawn dogs" never had to have their blood drawn.

I will implement your suggestions. Thanks again, americanlawn.

Ric
05-22-2007, 07:32 PM
Thanks all for the good tips. I've heard of guys absorbing the fumes through the air (dermally) - especially pyrethrin-based products. (Much news on the web re: Scimitar)

Back in my ChemScape days in Texas, we sprayed trees/shrubs/vines/ground cover with FIVE pesticides all at once. 2 insecticides, 2 fungicides, and 1 miticide. Plus spreader/sticker and "polyN" (to buffer the pH of the alkaline water). One of the fungicides was Mancozeb (zinc-based), and my arms broke out really badly from it -- had to drop it from my mix. ChemLawn eventually dropped Manozeb altogether cuz other tree/shrub specialists around the U.S. also had the same reactions. We had blood drawn every two weeks, but that was merely to test for colonestrace levels. The "lawn dogs" never had to have their blood drawn.

I will implement your suggestions. Thanks again, americanlawn.

Americanlawn

Are you sure the Ag dept didn't take you to lunch???? Too bad some Chemical Knowledge didn't "fumes through the air (dermally)" to you.

FYI Pyrethroids based products does not volatilise and can only reach the Skin in the form of contact droplets. While some people are sensitive to just about anything, Pyrethroids are one of the safest insecticides on the market today for mammals. Medicated Soaps for Head Lice in children and fleas on dog & cats are made from Pyrethroids.

BTW Can you tell us the difference between Pyrethrin and Pyrethroids without looking it up. It is a very simple difference.

americanlawn
05-22-2007, 08:30 PM
Hi Ric. No I cannot. My problem concerns spraying trees (fallout) with these products. Long sleeves, etc do not seem to prevent my skin allergy.

I will look it up, though. Thanks for your help.

lawnservice
05-22-2007, 08:47 PM
oh oh oh I know i know

Pyrethroids are synthetic while Pyrethrin is made from the flower (ah you know the flower? hmmm cant get the mind to remember the name of the flower right now *brain failure* happening more and more to me :confused: )

americanlawn
05-22-2007, 08:58 PM
atta boy lawnservice!

Also .... sorry Ric -- I just checked: Scimitar is a "pyrethrin".

I'm certainly not a know-it-all, but what I said is correct afterall.

Now it's time for a cold one.

Ric
05-22-2007, 11:53 PM
atta boy lawnservice!

Also .... sorry Ric -- I just checked: Scimitar is a "pyrethrin".

I'm certainly not a know-it-all, but what I said is correct afterall.

Now it's time for a cold one.



Americanlawns

The reason I bust your chops is because everything you say is NOT correct. I believe I have corrected you statements in this thread as well as other threads. Reread my last post where I start with FYI. For someone who claims to have been spraying for over twenty year you lack of industry terminology tells me you are not as knowledgeable as you think you are.

americanlawn
05-23-2007, 07:20 PM
Hi Ric. Please check out http://www.safe2use.com/poisons-pesticides/pesticides/pyrethrum/pys-tvedt. This particular site uses University of Florida research.

This is one of many sites with detailed info regarding pyrethrum, pyrethrins, pyrethroids e.g. permethrin.

It also warns not to breath the fumes. (You said this is not possible -- only droplets).

Simitar and others are syntheitic pryethrins (pyrethroids). The Syngenta rep told me in person years ago.

Maybe you should point your personal attacks toward him? (I can get his name & phone number for you)

Ric -- you have insinuated that I know more than I truly do. You have even brought up past threads in order to further question my credibility. You have aimed your statements at me in a personal manner. Can't say I appreciate this??? Why?

If I ever do this to you in an offending manner, please let me know.

By the way, I used your "Corn Huskers" idea today..........you were right! It works. Thank you.

Ric
05-23-2007, 08:35 PM
Iowa Pasture Grass

I see your Internet skills are as fine as your chemistry skills. I hope you didn't spend a great deal of time finding that site. I believe one of the main items that site sells is the "Silent Spring" by Rachael Carson with Forward by Al Gore. A must read for all tree huggers.


Glad you found Corn Huskers lotion to be effective for your hands. However being that you live in Corn & Hog country I am surprised someone hasn't drop it off to you before as they flew over.

americanlawn
05-25-2007, 09:37 PM
LOL - I hear ya. I'm sorry for busting your chops too. Take care Ric. Hopefully your friend on this site from now on, americanlawn.

americanlawn
05-25-2007, 09:48 PM
Right now, I'm thinking I'm picking up residues of the product when I put on my spray boots (not using gloves when I put them on). Also a possiblility is when I purge my hose (contacting the spray hose before going out on my route). Neither one is included on the label. Then there are the "fumes"....several sites warn about fumes --skin problems, etc.????