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surfsk869
05-27-2007, 01:48 PM
so heres the deal, i have a small scale landscaping company that consists of myself and my brother. we work under the table and receive payment directly from out clients upon completion of the task, usually as a check. ive just gotten a call from a real estate agent who wants me to do a weekly mow on one of their houses - however, he gave me an address to bill. i have never made an invoice/bill and am not exactly sure as to what to put on it aside from payment due billing address etc. can anyone fill me in as to exactly what is on an invoice?

Albery's Lawn & Tractor
05-27-2007, 02:03 PM
So your not legit yet you want others who are legit and pay taxes, insurance, etc. to give you advise? Good luck.....

newz7151
05-27-2007, 02:15 PM
If you'll post here your name and mailing address, I can send you some templates that might help you. :rolleyes:

Stillwater
05-27-2007, 03:03 PM
small scale just you and your bro. you just need five things on a bill.

1) your name
2) Your mailing address
3) whom the check should be made to
4) date of mowing
5) total due and when its due

JJG84
05-27-2007, 05:57 PM
I wouldnt bill the address. I would bill the real estate agent. In fact, I would collect the money immediately after the job.

I have had bad experiences with shady real estate agents. They just want the lawn cut before they show a house, and could give a rats ass when or if you get paid.

Unless you trust this real estate agent and know them well, I would not bill the address. GET THE $$$

twj721
05-27-2007, 06:46 PM
I would bill him all right as soon as the job is done find him and hand the bill and say please pay like right now . and a reminder that if he pays you over $600.00 he will more than likely send you a 1099 form at the end of the year

JimmyStew
05-29-2007, 08:20 PM
small scale just you and your bro. you just need five things on a bill.

1) your name
2) Your mailing address
3) whom the check should be made to
4) date of mowing
5) total due and when its due

Those are all good items to include but I would include a few others. First, include a discount line on the bill so the customer knows how much money they saved by hiring someone who doesn't bother with those annoying extras such as insurance and taxes.

Second, I would also include a disclaimer on the bill somewhere telling the customer that in the event that you damage their property or injure someone while on the job, they shouldn't bother trying to harass you for the money, but instead go directly to a lawyer - you worthless, incompetent prick.

P.S. - shame on anyone who reads this or any post by him and responds with any legitimate advice (unless of course the post is titled "How can I become a legal and legitimate business)!

edited: no name calling please. jodi

sheshovel
05-29-2007, 08:57 PM
You do not have a small scale landscape company, you do not have anything
if uncle sam can't see it it does not exist.

cantoo
05-30-2007, 10:32 PM
she, tell that to the companies who used to work for this guys new clients. I'm sure they have a different opinion of his "business".

AGLA
05-31-2007, 12:06 AM
I guess that explains why you can't buy from wholesale yards - see other posts.

johnnywill08
06-01-2007, 07:33 PM
what a bunch of hard ons you guys are.... kid and his brother are starting something up and you guys want to send him to leavenworth.... bravo!

when i was 16 i started mowing lawns witha friend, glad you tough guys weren't around......

RedWingsDet
06-02-2007, 02:09 AM
wow, all I can say is... have you never had a cell phone bill or anything like that?

Big M LawnnSnow
06-02-2007, 05:50 AM
Of all your 14 posts,
Not a one asks how to become legit.
How to register a business.
How to get a tax ID#.
How to sign up for license classes.
Where to look for decent insurance companies.

How is the realtor going to hire you without insurance?
I always have to show an insurance certificate.
And what are you going to do when you get that 1099?
I'll give you another clue, Stating here that you work under the table is not your smartest move either. Uncle Sam has long arms.

Work on what I mentioned and ask the right questions here and many of us will be glad to give you good information about all aspects of this business.

AGLA
06-02-2007, 07:39 PM
I just find it so funny that there can be threads bitching about lowballers, raising the level of professionalism, and bitching about how we are not respected like other contractors and then when the clearest example of what a lowballer is, what is unprofessional, and what makes you all not respected is right in your face, half of you don't get it.

EMJ
06-02-2007, 08:38 PM
what a bunch of hard ons you guys are.... kid and his brother are starting something up and you guys want to send him to leavenworth.... bravo!

when i was 16 i started mowing lawns witha friend, glad you tough guys weren't around......
He has been in business for three years according to his profile.

AGLA
06-02-2007, 10:03 PM
He has a crew according to earlier posts.

GreenT
06-03-2007, 12:27 AM
I just find it so funny that there can be threads bitching about lowballers, raising the level of professionalism, and bitching about how we are not respected like other contractors and then when the clearest example of what a lowballer is, what is unprofessional, and what makes you all not respected is right in your face, half of you don't get it.


Totally in agreement however, I don't think is funny. Its actually pretty sad.

dKoester
06-03-2007, 01:15 AM
I hope Uncle Sam grabs a hold of their britches and gives them a wedgy.

bare spot
06-03-2007, 01:21 AM
Totally in agreement however, I don't think is funny. Its actually pretty sad.

feel the same here,,

mike33087
06-03-2007, 02:33 AM
apparently this kid has never read any of our other posts about what a lowballer is or maybe he is just thick and hasnt caught on yet that, exactly whatt he described himself as is what we fight off every day to stay in business..........UN REAL at least pay taxes buddy, or if you are just like 12 yrs old stop acting like a big time company

Stillwater
06-03-2007, 07:33 AM
Those are all good items to include but I would include a few others. First, include a discount line on the bill so the customer knows how much money they saved by hiring someone who doesn't bother with those annoying extras such as insurance and taxes.

Second, I would also include a disclaimer on the bill somewhere telling the customer that in the event that you damage their property or injure someone while on the job, they shouldn't bother trying to harass you for the money, but instead go directly to a lawyer - you worthless, incompetent prick.

P.S. - shame on anyone who reads this or any post by him and responds with any legitimate advice (unless of course the post is titled "How can I become a legal and legitimate business)!

edited: no name calling please. jodi

shame on anyone who helps this guy? I DONT THINK SO Jimmyboy. You sound arrogant and self righteous I was not legitimate for the first cupple of years myself, and someone helped me. Is your business on such shakey ground that you feel threatend by him. How long did you work off the books when you started? tell me and be honest how long? shame on you for being so egotistical you have a need to attack a new guy. I saw a bumper sticker the other day it said "Mean People Suck"

Stillwater
06-03-2007, 07:41 AM
I guess that explains why you can't buy from wholesale yards - see other posts.

Your statement is not entirely true.

I wonder how many of you guys started off the books, Insted of tearing this guy down why dont some of you guys help and encourage him in that direction, 1/2 of you guys need to pull your heads out of your butts and remember where you came from. I smell so much EGO hear the stench makes me want to spue.

LindblomRJ
06-03-2007, 07:54 AM
Most of the people who post here are not going to give advise about breaking the law. A lot of the folks here worked (and still work hard) to get where they are at. Folks here try to help each other out.

To do things correctly and legally the steps are pretty easy and painless.

Stillwater
06-03-2007, 07:58 AM
apparently this kid has never read any of our other posts about what a lowballer is or maybe he is just thick and hasnt caught on yet that, exactly whatt he described himself as is what we fight off every day to stay in business..........UN REAL at least pay taxes buddy, or if you are just like 12 yrs old stop acting like a big time company

You have to fight off low ballers? why do you have to do that? they are all around me and I do not feel the need to attack them.

you people crying about low ballers need to stop acting like girlymen you should start pushing a better service, do a better job, where cleaner clothing, wash your trucks and change your attatudes and start smileing more mabey return calls faster then maby you will not be threatended by low ballers, I envite all the lowballers to cape cod to see how many of my customers they can take from me bring it on .

LindblomRJ
06-03-2007, 08:01 AM
You have to fight off low ballers? why do you have to do that? they are all around me and I do not feel the need to attack them.

you people crying about low ballers need to stop acting like girlymen you should start pushing a better service, do a better job, where cleaner clothing, wash your trucks and change your attatudes and start smileing more mabey return calls faster then maby you will not be threatended by low ballers, I envite all the lowballers to cape cod to see how many of my customers they can take from me bring it on .

I agree. :)

mike33087
06-03-2007, 09:25 AM
its a figure of speech, everyday there is a new guy in this town i see this guy with his brand new land rover pulling two 48" walk behindes around doing lawns? if he can afford that wthell is he doing landscaping for.

its not that im fighting them moff my accounts its just that i have to charge almost everyone a $40 minimum and i know its high on some lawns but its what i need to do to get by. where as ur part time non legit guy can come by and do it for 25, cause hes doing it for the extra dinero whereas this is my only income, its just agravating but w/e

Stillwater
06-03-2007, 02:35 PM
its a figure of speech, everyday there is a new guy in this town i see this guy with his brand new land rover pulling two 48" walk behindes around doing lawns? if he can afford that wthell is he doing landscaping for.

its not that im fighting them moff my accounts its just that i have to charge almost everyone a $40 minimum and i know its high on some lawns but its what i need to do to get by. where as ur part time non legit guy can come by and do it for 25, cause hes doing it for the extra dinero whereas this is my only income, its just agravating but w/e

Well first hireing you to mow my lawn has many more advantages than me hireing a kid pulling a home depot trailer with his ford escort. exploit his disadvantages with your advantages. look,,,, the way i look at it is the customers who dont want my quality of service and will perfer a 10 dollar kid over a 50 dollar me I dont want in the first place

surfsk869
06-03-2007, 04:22 PM
ahh what a rant i have begun. also, to whoever the mod is of this forum a handy piece of advice would be to add a spellcheck as an option before posting. thx :)

EMJ
06-03-2007, 04:28 PM
You have to fight off low ballers? why do you have to do that? they are all around me and I do not feel the need to attack them.

you people crying about low ballers need to stop acting like girlymen you should start pushing a better service, do a better job, where cleaner clothing, wash your trucks and change your attatudes and start smileing more mabey return calls faster then maby you will not be threatended by low ballers, I envite all the lowballers to cape cod to see how many of my customers they can take from me bring it on .
Maybe you will get your wish. This kid is from Mass.

Stillwater
06-03-2007, 05:34 PM
Maybe you will get your wish. This kid is from Mass.

Ya, I noticed that to

JimmyStew
06-03-2007, 08:59 PM
shame on anyone who helps this guy? I DONT THINK SO Jimmyboy. You sound arrogant and self righteous I was not legitimate for the first cupple of years myself, and someone helped me. Is your business on such shakey ground that you feel threatend by him. How long did you work off the books when you started? tell me and be honest how long? shame on you for being so egotistical you have a need to attack a new guy. I saw a bumper sticker the other day it said "Mean People Suck"

I am far from arrogant or self righteous and I was, in fact, legal from the start! And yes, I do feel threatened by him, or his type any way. People who get into this business BEFORE doing some research and gaining some knowledge about the various aspects of landscaping, lawn care and business bring the entire industry down. So no, one lowballer is not going to put me out of business, but it does make it that much harder to get a decent price for my services and it makes some potential customers weary about calling a professional.

Furthermore, the original poster, by his own admission, has been in business for 3 years and has a "crew". If he is doing enough business to have a crew, then he is certainly in a position to be doing business legally.

As for your comment about getting help from others when you were starting out, I bet there isn't one person on this forum that did not get advice or help from others when they started out, myself included. I don't begrudge the "new guy" for asking for advice, I begrudge him for boasting about doing business illegally AND THEN asking for advice.

Stillwater
06-04-2007, 09:28 AM
Jimmystew I will admit to not reading all of his postings I had just read the one about what to put on a invoice. I dont have time or the intrest to research posters before replying to their simple questions. But if this guy has been doing this for 3 years and is still asking what to put on a invoice their is a issue. I was not aware of of his boasting about his illegally haveing known that I most likely would have just ingnored his questions and moved on

gavin478
06-04-2007, 04:11 PM
You can also download quickbooks simple start edition for free, the only limitation is that you can only have 20 clients registered. However, in your case, it will let you create a professional looking invoice to impress that real estate agent, or anyone else for that matter

johnnywill08
06-05-2007, 11:23 AM
how come the kid aint respomding?

NCLCRB #1370
06-05-2007, 03:51 PM
Remember that the IRS is not stupid.:nono:

johnnywill08
06-05-2007, 09:51 PM
Remember that the IRS is not stupid.:nono:

um, yeah.... they're friggin geniuses.....:confused:

JJG84
06-06-2007, 11:29 PM
The landscaping game is pretty funny. There are millions of homes in this country, and far less landscaping companies.

DO THE MATH!

there is no such thing as a "low baller".

people need work done, and who they choose to do their work is up to them. lowballer or not.

surfsk869
06-06-2007, 11:33 PM
b/c im usually busy working, not looking on this site . thx

Stillwater
06-07-2007, 02:32 AM
The landscaping game is pretty funny. There are millions of homes in this country, and far less landscaping companies.

DO THE MATH!

there is no such thing as a "low baller".

people need work done, and who they choose to do their work is up to them. lowballer or not.

ah kind a true if you are considering the entire country your market.

Their are hundreds on lawnsite who will never agree with you and their are genuine reasons for that. I could guess that I am one of the few that will agree with you ((For my own reasons))

I do not compete with the services that charge grossly less than I. The so called lowballers are Irrelevant to me and the people who desire them over me are customers I would not be comfortable with or want in the first place. BUT if we really did the math and did it correctly as you say your position on this subject would be on shaky ground. Not to many landscapers consider the millions of homes in the country their personal serviceable market.

A lame example is If you are in a area with 10 LCO's and you have 30 accounts and all of you are charging top dollar for cutting and over the period of 1 year 50 lowballers appear and aggressively advertise. then doing the math as you say you will notice the value of your market shrink in other words the average cost or market value of cutting a lawn decreases over time. But I personally don't give a crap about the guys charging less than me.

sheshovel
06-07-2007, 03:56 AM
Get this straight first guys. Lawn service providers are not landscaping, mowing and maintaining lawns and doing mulch jobs does not male you landscapers. You are doing maintenance work not landscaping. Please try and stick with the proper nomenclature used in the green industry.

Stillwater
06-07-2007, 05:23 AM
The correct Nomenclature? OH PLEASE not this again...

Ah...ah... dont want to start anything hear But Please know that "landscaping" is roughly equivalent to "landscape design." But improvements must also be maintained, so "landscaping" also includes yard maintenance. The people who disagree with this statement are clearly "thinking with their EGO" the definition of landscaping is "improving the appearance of the land Look the dam word up. I have noticed their is a huge amount of bull crap on lawnsite I need to learn to tune it out and ingore it.

johnnywill08
06-07-2007, 10:40 AM
Get this straight first guys. Lawn service providers are not landscaping, mowing and maintaining lawns and doing mulch jobs does not male you landscapers. You are doing maintenance work not landscaping. Please try and stick with the proper nomenclature used in the green industry.

lighten up, next time i meet a girl who does better work than i do, it'll be the first.

ps who died and made you noah webster?!?!?!?!

JJG84
06-10-2007, 01:20 AM
all plants and grass grow, therefore there will always be plenty of work in the "Green Industry".

no worries about the low baller.

Albery's Lawn & Tractor
06-10-2007, 09:41 AM
That type of attitude will run your bus in the ground. One lowballer ok, next month there will be 20 more. Help them if you want, maybe they'll give you a job when you have to fold.

Garden Thyme
06-10-2007, 10:02 AM
You guys call them lowballers, here we also call them fly-by-nighters. It is true that they can charge less because they have no tax or insurance to pay, but halfway down the season 80% of them has packed it up as they are not used to hard work and cannot be reliable enough to keep the customers.