Well now I have seen it all. (scrubs)

[Chuck Sinclair]

I took the family to South Lake Tahoe for 4 days of fun in the sun and decided to take a walk to the lake and kick back for a while. when I got there I noticed two guys mowing a small lawn using a 21" scotts mower and a cheap echo trimmer after looking around I see their truck Hmm looks like scrubs so I watch for a while. The guy on the trimmer is trimming around the chain link fence and when the string hits the fence he backs off the throttle and steps back then goes back and starts again. Then I hear the mower stop, turns out it ran out of gas. then I hear them talking about needing gas for the mower (They didn't have any in their 2 GAL can) so they see the parks dept mowing and he walks over and ask them for gas, it took some talking but they finally gave them the gas. the guy says thanks, we are here every Friday on our route and will repay the gas next week.

So that must be were I'm gong wrong I bring my own gas :D

[fivestarlawnken]

Good story(hehehe).Damn government workers.

[Eric ELM]

Sounds like they need a price increase so they can buy their own gas. :D

Now you will have to go back next week and see if they bring the gas back to the Gov. workers. :)

[Runner]

They probably would have HAD gas in their can if they hadn't had to use it when their truck ran out on the side of the road while they were on their way to that job. :rolleyes:

[65hoss]

The first of last week I saw a Jeep CJ7 driving with a small platform on the back bumper carrying a 21". The trimmer and whatever else he had was in the back of the Jeep. Later in the week I was at a homeowners assn. area parked and came out and he was parked beside me. He was mowing someones tiny back yard. This stuff was at least 4 ft tall and he was back there with a 21".

[coldlake]

:mad: If you are from Sacramento, then you may have also noticed that some of the Sacramento Sherrifs dept work details are supposed to work public lands. They also do private, kinda hard to compete with free, and to add insult to injury, we pay teh taxes to pay for their equipment, although not safety equipment because they don't use it

[grassyfras]

Do you guys ever think that they might not be cutting grass for money or proffesionaly? Maybe they owened the land and rented it out or somthing like that. So we always have to assume scrub?

[Loosestrife]

And no "professional" contractor ever ran out of gas???

[grassyfras]

Loosestrife has my point exactly

[Evan528]

Its not a bad idea to carry a gas tank in the truck though!

[Chuck Sinclair]

Originally posted by grassyfras
Do you guys ever think that they might not be cutting grass for money or proffesionaly? Maybe they owened the land and rented it out or somthing like that. So we always have to assume scrub?


Believe me I am usually on your side of this issue that is why I titled it the way I did I finally saw what would be consider scrubs. And yes they are doing it for a living (They said so) and in my opinion no self respecting contractor would let them self run out of gas I always know how much is in my 5 gallon cans. And I will stop for gas in between jobs if need be

[bilchak]

I've seen this guy tooling around my hometown on a bike while carrying a weedeater. We've hit rock bottom here.

[vipermanz]

i've seen some getting extension cords out

[dmk395]

I recently saw the scrub who took a job from me. 1 acre lawn, all being mowed with a skimpa (21" lawnboy). Took him at least 3 hours to do, as I drove by again to look at it. Now I bid $65 for the lawn, another guy in town I know bid $55 (we talked about it the other day at Dunkin Donuts). This guy must be doing the property for $50, probably a 4 hour job. I guess it beats working at McDonalds, but what torture on a 90degree day!

[cal916]

scrubs are not bad people the only people wh are bad are ones who talk down on others(haters) hating on a scrub ? what does that make you ? lesser than a scrub, besides a scrub is an average joe , there is nothing wrong with that you know shirt and jeans not filthy rich biggon ya they forget the gas dumb ass move that was and dont knock someones skill , prices hell give them credit we all started somewhere right?

[BigEd]

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: Sounds like you took offense:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[65hoss]

2 1/2 year old thread brought back up because someone fit the profile. hahahahahaha

[tiedeman]

kind of funny isn't it hoss

[65hoss]

Originally posted by tiedeman
kind of funny isn't it hoss Nothing here surprises me anymore. :)

[LawnPerfect]

EVERYONE has to start somewhere and EVERYONE hits hard times.
The elitist attitude just mystifies me.

[Doster's L & L]

This guy would've been better off by not replying.

[sgtgm5]

Thats funny,

I got to reading the post and all I could think of is this one time I was10 miles from the nearest gas station and I looked in the gas tank on the scag before I left and Iknew I needed gas but said I would get some on the way and my fuel cans were also empty.
Well anyway, I got to the job and when I started cutting I remembered I needed gas.. LOL, let me tell you, I was praying the whole time That I wasn't going to run out, It was funny to me....Were all humans, we make mistakes

[Avery]

Originally posted by Loosestrife
And no "professional" contractor ever ran out of gas???

I, for one, never have. I carry plenty of gas cans and gas stations are everywhere. I think his point was not so much running out but having the nerve to try and borrow some. VERY unprofessional IMO.

[LawnPerfect]

Originally posted by Doster's L & L
This guy would've been better off by not replying.

What guy are you referring to Doster?

[locutus]

Originally posted by cal916
scrubs are not bad people the only people wh are bad are ones who talk down on others(haters) hating on a scrub ? what does that make you ? lesser than a scrub, besides a scrub is an average joe , there is nothing wrong with that you know shirt and jeans not filthy rich biggon ya they forget the gas dumb ass move that was and dont knock someones skill , prices hell give them credit we all started somewhere right?

To successfully attain your scrub card, you need to have a thick skin. The terms "scrub" and "sensative" are mutually exclusive.

[mtdman]

I ran outta gas in my little mower last season and forgot to fill up. Right in the middle of mowing a lawn. Nearest station was a ways away. I had to pull the gass line on my wb where it meets the tank and drain some outta the tank to fill the little mower. I never felt like such a scrub in my life. Even when I was a scrub back in the day. At least then I didn't know any better!

:D

[Doster's L & L]

Originally posted by lawndoctorllc
What guy are you referring to Doster?

Sorry.... i wasn't too clear on this one was i? I was talking about the scrub. :o

[cal916]

there is nothing I take offensive except the name calling ,, on the otherhand people like you can not be happy with themselves, after all if you are so great and can afford all this stuff why pick on some body? by the way I am new to this site I did not realize how old the subject is nor do I care but you dont have a clue how old you are by your actions ! sorry not an internet junkee.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! why are you still on here after 2 years anyway everything on here is for begginers?

[cal916]

forget I brought up the subject. real "grown ups" here, anyways

[SodKing]

Cal, Stop whining. Many here are critical of scrubs because some people think just because you go out with a mower and get 2 accounts, that makes you a professional landscaper. That is far from the truth. There is an individual near me that goes out with his Sears Craftsman ride on, homelite trimmer, tows it with an 86 'eldorado, and cuts about 12 lawns in a trailer park. Is he a professional landscaper? Not in my opinion.

A professional landscaper invests in his craft, is dedicated to his craft, his clients, presents both himself and his equipment well, educates him (or her)self in the proper care of the landscape. Attends conferences, and gives advice to others. A professional landscaper educates his peers and his clients. A professional landscaper doesn't cut lawns, they care for and maintain their clients properties. A professional landscaper exudes confidence in their tradesmanship.

I have over $600,000 invested in my company from myself and other investors. I don't like scrubs because they do a disservice to my trade.

This site is not just for beginners otherwise I would not be here. This site is for trading ideas and insight with our peers. We have some extremely talented individuals here from all over the world.

If you are a scrub, or don't like it here...feel free not to visit.

[Norm Al]

or maybe they are just trying to feed their family and couldnt afford to bring gas?

or maybe they were buying crack with the money and couldnt afford to bring gas?


humility is an admirable quality!

[packerbacker]

<b>and in my opinion no self respecting contractor would let them self run out of gas</b>




Sorry but thats a lame remark

[Norm Al]

maybe they are so low in life they dont have any self respect?

[packerbacker]

Cmon people, maybe they were just looking to make a buck, why do most of the people here think the worst of everyone who doesnt do thngs their way?

[Norm Al]

its the american way packer,,,,,,,be your own man BUT fall in line and be a sheep!

http://www.race-dezert.com/wwwthreads/files/76949-craigpopo.jpg

[KCLandscape]

Must be getting near spring...everyone has attitude
Go roll in the snow and cool yer heads

[LawnPerfect]

I think that the people that complain about scrubs most are probably the same ones that follow other LCO's around and low ball their customers to get the job. Then they come here and whine and complain about people that low ball them.
Either that or Daddy financed their operation so they look down at the guy with a 21 murry in the trunk trying to scratch out a living.

[LawnPerfect]

And may that guy with the murry advance to a WB then to a ZTR. One day he will have all the customers locked up because people saw him bust his a$$ to get ahead.
Look at the brite side though. After your shift is over at your mcjob you can still come here and cry.

[65hoss]

lawnnondoctor you need to give it a rest. You have yourself all tied in knots over this. Maybe you really really identify with this guy. I don't know. Most of us have probably seen enough stupid things around to kinda picture the original post. The more you post trying to convince people the more you seem to fall into this catagory.

[Prot1]

Originally posted by packerbacker
Cmon people, maybe they were just looking to make a buck, why do most of the people here think the worst of everyone who doesnt do thngs their way?

I have no problem with someone trying to make a buck IF they are paying their taxes, license fees, insurance, etc. The majority of us do things the right way which is why its so upsetting to see people like this. The truly sad thing is that genuine "scrubs" have no idea what it costs to do business so they fail to see the problems they cause the rest of us.

[yardsurfer]

Originally posted by SodKing
Cal, Stop whining. Many here are critical of scrubs because some people think just because you go out with a mower and get 2 accounts, that makes you a professional landscaper. That is far from the truth. There is an individual near me that goes out with his Sears Craftsman ride on, homelite trimmer, tows it with an 86 'eldorado, and cuts about 12 lawns in a trailer park. Is he a professional landscaper? Not in my opinion.

A professional landscaper invests in his craft, is dedicated to his craft, his clients, presents both himself and his equipment well, educates him (or her)self in the proper care of the landscape. Attends conferences, and gives advice to others. A professional landscaper educates his peers and his clients. A professional landscaper doesn't cut lawns, they care for and maintain their clients properties. A professional landscaper exudes confidence in their tradesmanship.

I have over $600,000 invested in my company from myself and other investors. I don't like scrubs because they do a disservice to my trade.

This site is not just for beginners otherwise I would not be here. This site is for trading ideas and insight with our peers. We have some extremely talented individuals here from all over the world.

If you are a scrub, or don't like it here...feel free not to visit.

This isn't the Landscaping forum. Although I see where you're coming from..

Everyone has to start at the bottom, and everyone makes mistakes requardless of who you are or how long you've been doing somthing.

[packerbacker]

If you guys are so worried about these "scrubs" then i suggest you revaluate where your company is heading.

[LawnPerfect]

Originally posted by 65hoss
lawnnondoctor you need to give it a rest. You have yourself all tied in knots over this. Maybe you really really identify with this guy. I don't know. Most of us have probably seen enough stupid things around to kinda picture the original post. The more you post trying to convince people the more you seem to fall into this catagory.

Hoss I am far from being a "scrub". Im just sick of listening to all the whining and crying. All it boils down to is that some people here think that they are better than others. Maybe you replied to my post because I struck a nerve?

[packerbacker]

Have to agree with LawnDoctor on this one. I know im fairly new here but it seems to me that alot of people are to worried about other companies and not enough about themselves.

[SodKing]

There is starting at the bottom and then there are scrubs. My neighbor started his lawn care company this spring. He went out purchased the necessary equipment, had a truck already but he had it lettered, purchased a trailer, met with carious accountants and attorneys and set up his llc. His equipment is not in the realm of what I would buy because I can afford now to purchase the equipment several levels up. Now he has some good accounts, pays his taxes, pays his employees in accordance with all IRS rules, advertises, and he is not afraid to ask for advice. he is a credit to our industry.

A scrub does none of this, and this is the type of person I have a problem with.

[LawnPerfect]

Sod King makes a valid point. His example of a scrub is one that I cannot defend. Okay, I have seen the light! LOL

Hoss can I have a hug?
;)

[Doster's L & L]

Sodking hit it on the head! I was a bit presumptuous in calling Cal a scrub, BUT... newbies just don't need to go around raising hell, posting on 2 year old threads and resurrect them from the "scrub" bashing crypt! They will receive heat from someone just like Cal did.
Lawn"doctor",
I will make a statement about your, "Daddy financed operation" comment. This was directed to me i know. I don't have to waste my time explaining to you my financial situation, but just so you will know, son i will tell you. I started out driving an '84 P.O.S. beat up pickup. And sure my ole man got out of the mowing business for greener pastures. After working with him for years, he gave me the accounts. I financed MY OWN equipment... all of it! To this day, "daddy" as you say, hasn't given me a dime. I am my own man. In my first year i grossed less than 30K with 50+ mow and go accounts. Since my beginning, I have taken college classes and read books, to grow help me grow my business, still do too. I have the same number of accounts, maybe a few more and i more than double my gross of my first year. I have new trucks and equipment and uniforms. I'm not bragging here, just letting you know.

Hey lawn"doc", why not be original and take someone elses business name? I don't think that there is a huge lawn operation called Lawn Doctor already?
To everyone else, i'm being facetious.

[cal916]

I agree with you people totally but the people your describing are stupid! not scrubs and once again i didnt realize the thread or whatever you wanna call it is 2 years old! I mow lawns outside not on computers

[cal916]

sorry for misunderstandings no more replies from me

[packerbacker]

Its a message board cal916, if you see something you want to respond to then respond to it, if you hit a nerve with someone then tough, it's all opinions around here and everyone is entitled to one

[Norm Al]

i would bet that most of our employees if they could scrape 2 nickles together could be classified as scubs........if we judge them on some peoples terms!

[65hoss]

Originally posted by lawndoctorllc
Sod King makes a valid point. His example of a scrub is one that I cannot defend. Okay, I have seen the light! LOL

Hoss can I have a hug?
;)

Nope, no hug. Bring beer. :)

[LawnPerfect]

Actually I wasnt talking about you Doster. Really.

[dishboy]

I love my daughters T-shirt. It says "I see your lips moving but all I hear is blah, blah, blah, blah.blah .............
So here's my blah, blah, blah, I would think if everyone looked real hard at themselves and their own flaws then they would not so be quick to point out what the don't like about the other guy. I personally look more at what their work looks like than the rest of the stuff. I have seen mediocre work from scrubs and from from so called "Pros" and I have seen great work from "scrubs" and Pros. I only have to look real hard at myself to see it is better to keep my arrogant thoughts to myself.

[Scraper]

LOL...I still can't believe this thread resurfaced from the depths and has stayed around for so long.

Just goes to show if one goes back far enough threads can be brought back to life.

I must say, it was nice to see a thread brought back up which Eric had responded to.

[65hoss]

Originally posted by Scraper
LOL...I still can't believe this thread resurfaced from the depths and has stayed around for so long.

Just goes to show if one goes back far enough threads can be brought back to life.

I must say, it was nice to see a thread brought back up which Eric had responded to.

Old threads live forever.

[Lux Lawn]

You think you have seen it all just wait you will see something and think back to this to compare.In the summer of 2001 a former employee of mine saw two guys trimming a hedge with a lawnboy yes you read that right a lawnboy they were each holding the wheels on one side and going across it I know its hard to believe I wish I would have seen it for myself.

[HOMER]

Welllllllllllllllll,

They may be gas bums but at least they were working.

What's worse is a man that bums but won't work a lick........a man that want's 20.00 to help you for 15 minutes.

Ya, it hurts our business but then so do the taxes we have to pay for all the sorry azzes out there that won't even make the effort!

[mowman65]

IM NEW HERE SO LET ME C IF I GOT THIS A (SCRUB) IS 1 WHO IS TRING TO GET STARTED IN THE BUSINESS HMMMMMMMMMMM DONT U REMEMBER THEM DAYS :O]

[MikeLT1Z28]

i certainly remember the days. i SAVED my money from my other job (full time) and then when i had enough, i went and bought a 36" metro, a 6x12 trailer, stihl blower, edger and trimmer.

no homeowner stuff there. just the way i did things though.

i was always taught if i was going to do something, do it right, not half-assed.

[HOMER]

No...you didn't get it.

Everyone has to start somewhere, we all know that.

My opinion of a scrub is someone that has let time pass them by.......never looks around to see what the current trends are..........my view on this would be uniforms, shirts at least, clean cut, clean equipment, clean truck, those sorts of things.

You can mow with a Murray if you have the commercial attitude. You will eventually upgrade as you progress which will ultimately take you out of the scrub category. But then there is price gouging and lowballing. You have to charge according to your needs to maintain the level of professionalism you "should" be trying to achieve. If you never make progress and are complacent/satisfied to pull your Murray with your Pinto then you will be labeled what you are.

[Doster's L & L]

Who were you talking about lawn doc? Never mind, it doesn't matter. I guess you could've been making a general statement as well. Don't take offense to my previous post, Lawn Doc. I just don't like someone trying to crawl up my anus. You know what i mean.
Wanna beer? lol

How about this as a new qualification as a scrub? Someone that doesn't try to better themselves through schooling even though they may use professional equipment. I'm kinda changing my idea about scrubs. Lawnsite.com is an educational forum, so if we are all members here and are trying to learn and are successful, is any one person on here a scrub?

[Doster's L & L]

I also like what HOMER just said!!

[packerbacker]

<b>Someone that doesn't try to better themselves through schooling even though they may use professional equipment.</b>







Im not to sure what you mean by that.

[NCSULandscaper]

Everyone just needs to let this thread go and move on before a riot breaks out.

[LawnPerfect]

Packerbacker I think that one could consider lawnsite an educational tool. We all come here to advance in our crafts, to learn, and for a prick measurment contest as well. LOL

Sure Ill take a beer Doster.

And Hoss, Ill meet you at Blues City **** for that round, Ill also take chili and tamales as well. Mmmmmmmmmm.

[Norm Al]

http://www.pro-rock.com/pix/flames/dear_god_stop.jpg

this pic about sums it up.......



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[chuckwk]

Norm Al,

STOP posting pictures as replies!! You are hot-linking these images from another site and that is considered bandwidth theft. Every time one of your images loads on lawnsite.com it costs that site $$$. STOP!!!

[sgtgm5]

For the people that think there stuff dosent stink, Glad I'm not a friend of yours.

Things happen,

I can understand putting High standards but comon, I think from reading this post that I know of a good doc to make you feel all better.

Quit downing others and worry about what you got to do .

For who this applies, if your mad, not surprised. Never judge a book by its cover.

[Norm Al]

it costs them or you money?

these pictures are uploaded on a site to be used, im not stealing anything from them! I have their permission!
ive never seen a forum get so bent about pictures? forums are for communicating WORDS and PICTURES do that, i didnt read that NO pictures were to be used anywhere on this site,,,,did i miss something? you guys asked me to cut down and i did, would you like me to NEVER post a pic?...it will be no problem!


people have pictures in their sigs is that stealing to?

[Doster's L & L]

Originally posted by NCSULandscaper
Everyone just needs to let this thread go and move on before a riot breaks out.

I'm gonna agree. It's gettin a lil bit thick in here now!

Norm Al, that sure is a vicious kitty. What a resilient kid though!!!
He always gets right back up!!! Tough kid!

[chuckwk]

ok, done..........