Dump truck use's? CDL'S?

[Wayne242]

I have been thinking about running 1 or 2 dump trucks. They will just be used for yard clean ups, large clean ups, hauling rocks etc. I just wonted to know if there is good money to be made just by doing what i have listed above or should i put more use to them?

What other use's could i use a dump truck to make money?

Really just wont to run 1 as i don't wont to hire any one just yet.


Manly just looking for ways to pay the trucks off faster i guess.

Also what type of dump trucks req cdl's?

Thanks

[JDSKIDSTEER]

Anything not pulling a trailer rated 26000 lbs GVWR or more must have a class B CDL.

[Fieldman12]

My family had a dump truck hauling business for several years. I think the pay is much better if you can get the jobs yourself. We where hooked to a gravel company and also got our own jobs. It all depends on your area what the pay is. Things you must watch though is what your hauling. Probably allot of the jobs you will get are big rock jobs or slabs of concrete that most will not want to haul in there own dump trucks because of damage. Not saying you wont get other jobs but be prepared. Also plan on them sending you places not fit for a dump truck. They will say I just drove my pickup across it and the ground was solid.You will have to explain to them what the weight of the dump truck is versus a pickup. There is allot of people out there in this field. I myself if was going to do this buy an older machine and work yourself up. To me there is much easier ways to make money and more of it. Dump trucks cost a good bit for even an old decent one. I would ask allot of questions before you take the jobs and even look at them first if you had any doubt.

[Fieldman12]

You will need a minimum of a class B CDL for a small dump truck (single axle) and air brake endorsements if it has them. As jdskidsteer said anything over 26,000 lbs. gvwr or a combination truck and trailer must have a Class A cdl.

[Wayne242]

Ya i don't plan on over working my rig for cheap jobs. Also wont take it any where i would not take my 4x4 pick up. What I'm starting out with is a 1988 International, dt 466 cummins with a six speed trans. Only payed $2500, and the second one I'm thinking about buying is a 1986 GMC 70 seris dump truck with 454 manual trans 2spd rear end for a back up truck. I can get it for $700, just needs some tlc.

The 1988 International, dt 466 cummins with a six speed trans is below cdl requirements in KY right? I plan i getting my cdl's any way, and what one's would be the best for what i plan on doing? I wont being running any dumps bigger then the 2 above. I'm not sure if i will pull a trailer or not just yet. I don't plan on pull the loader with it.

[Fieldman12]

I read what I wrote and found out I did not tell ya correct. Anything 26,000 or over that is just the truck needs a Class B CDL and airbrake endorsements if it has them. If it is a combination truck and trailer or a truck with a trailer over 10,000 lbs then you need a class A. Kinda hard to explain. Hope this helps below.

CLASS A - This classification applies only to "combination" vehicles with a Gross Combination Weight Rating (GCWR) exceeding 26,000 pounds, provided the Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed exceeds 10,000 pounds. The holder of a Class A license, which includes any appropriate endorsements, may operate all vehicles included in Class B, C, and D (Operator License).

CLASS B - This class includes single or combination vehicles where the GVWR of the single vehicle exceeds 26,000 pounds. The vehicle in tow must not exceed 10,000 pounds. Class B licensees, with appropriate endorsements, may drive all vehicles in Class C or D.

CLASS C - Vehicles designed to transport 16 or more passengers, including the driver, and vehicles placarded for hazardous materials, that do not meet the criteria for Class A or B above fall under this classification and may drive all vehicles in Class D.

[Fieldman12]

I think you mean the DT 466 is an International motor. That is the same truck and year dad started out with. That would be my choice of truck. I have drove both and like the Interenational truck better. The Fords are good trucks also. Im not sure of Kentucky law but I would guess you would need a CDL. We needed it for ours here in Ohio. As for taking it where you take your 4x4 dont do that. They will sink quick and it will cost you more to have it pulled out than what the job will most likely pay.

[Wayne242]

I think you mean the DT 466 is an International motor. That is the same truck and year dad started out with. That would be my choice of truck. I have drove both and like the Interenational truck better. The Fords are good trucks also. Im not sure of Kentucky law but I would guess you would need a CDL. We needed it for ours here in Ohio. As for taking it where you take your 4x4 dont do that. They will sink quick and it will cost you more to have it pulled out than what the job will most likely pay.

Think you miss read the 4x4 part. I posted i wont take it any where that i would not take my 4x4. I know i drive a 22000 GVWR tree serivce bucket truck, and thats just the truck alone. I'm not sure what the GVWR is after loading the back. I know i never needed a cdl for it, but its no big deal i plan i getting them any way. Any heads up i should know befor taking the test?

[Fieldman12]

Be good at the pre-trip inspection. Be good at the parallel parking. I would personally take the test at a private place but that is my opinion.

[ksss]

Good catch fieldman I was going to correct your trailer weight but you found it. You might as well just get the Class A and be done with it. IF you find yourself wanting or needing to pull a pup or some other type of tractor trailer you will need it anyways. There are a lot of rules to follow when running trucks small examples you have to put yourself in a drug testing consortium (making yourself available for random drug tests), if your trucks are licensed over 54K you will need to fill out Heavy Use tax forms and pay an additional 550 dollars a year to the IRS , it goes on and on. Get online and research US DOT and National Highway Safety Administration site. You will get an idea of what you need to do. It is certainly more involved that buying a truck.

[Wayne242]

Good catch fieldman I was going to correct your trailer weight but you found it. You might as well just get the Class A and be done with it. IF you find yourself wanting or needing to pull a pup or some other type of tractor trailer you will need it anyways. There are a lot of rules to follow when running trucks small examples you have to put yourself in a drug testing consortium (making yourself available for random drug tests), if your trucks are licensed over 54K you will need to fill out Heavy Use tax forms and pay an additional 550 dollars a year to the IRS , it goes on and on. Get online and research US DOT and National Highway Safety Administration site. You will get an idea of what you need to do. It is certainly more involved that buying a truck.

I been running my business for 3 years now, so I'm sure i know about that. I run 2 crews with 5 trucks. I run a bucket truck that 22,000, a chipper truck that 22,000, and the rest or small landscaping trucks. I have been running the above dump for about a month for landscaping jobs. It fully loaded with what i have been hauling as not past 26,000 ibs.. As for the cdl's i have never run anything over 22000 so never looked into them.

Does this mean just because i can get by with out having them that i wont get them. No i plan on getting class A any how, because who knows i might start using that loader again..

When do I need a Kentucky CDL instead of my regular Kentucky Drivers License?
A Kentucky CDL is required if you operate any of the following CMV's . . .
1. A vehicle with a manufacturer's gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of more than 26,000 lbs.
2. A vehicle towing a unit with a manufacturer's GVWR of more than 10,000 lbs. when the GCWR exceeds 26,000 lbs.
3. A vehicle used to . . .(a.) carry 15 or more passengers (excluding the driver), or (b.) carry (15) or less people (including the driver) when carrying children to or from school and home regularly for compensation.
4. A vehicle carrying hazardous materials in amounts requiring placarding.

P.S: Next time try not treating people like that just jumped out with no business experiences, and decided to start running dumps.. If thats what this meant "It is certainly more involved that buying a truck." If not then over look this.

[ksss]

Easy wayne,

I am sorry you took the post that way. My point is that when you start running trucks in the heavier classes, there are more rules to follow. If your already aware of that than good if not you know that you may want to research it.

[Wayne242]

Easy wayne,

I am sorry you took the post that way. My point is that when you start running trucks in the heavier classes, there are more rules to follow. If your already aware of that than good if not you know that you may want to research it.


Not a problem, i was just wonting to get others points of view on it. I have searched the web for the info, but i like seeing what people that do it every day have to say. There the best one's to get pointers from.

[Fieldman12]

I dont know about where you guys live but around here. Everyone you asked told you a different story on what type of CDL you needed ( even the ones with a Class A). All of these requirements at times can get tricky especially if you evolve into something more down the road. Ksss, is telling you right though. If you get a CDL go for the A and forget about it. The majority of the test is the same. As he stated also once you have a CDL speced truck and as I'm sure you know you have to turn the wheels to make it pay for itself. The government and the state are charging you money left and right. Personally if you can stay under the CDL you would be better but the trucks your listed are going to haul somewhere around 8 and 10-ton depending on the size of bed and the material. Also your insurance is a big factor. Around here if I remember correctly you need a minimum of $500,000 dollar insurance and on the big trucks Im thinking at least a million. Not trying to be a know it all or anything. Just being up front with what you will get into. Take it for what ya want. Hope it helps.

[Fieldman12]

Not sure what the GMC 70 would haul as far as tons. Did not use one of those that much. All the info you need should be on the side of the door in the cab. If the label is missing than most likeley it has been repainted or (the took it off so when they get pulled over the cop would not know if it needed CDL or not). This is very, very common here in Ohio. Your best advice if you don't know what it is go get it weighed and call the manufacture of the truck for more info.

[Wayne242]

Not sure what the GMC 70 would haul as far as tons. Did not use one of those that much. All the info you need should be on the side of the door in the cab. If the label is missing than most likeley it has been repainted or (the took it off so when they get pulled over the cop would not know if it needed CDL or not). This is very, very common here in Ohio. Your best advice if you don't know what it is go get it weighed and call the manufacture of the truck for more info.

Ya i took the International this morning, and got it weighed. They also printed out the GVWR from the net which was GVWR 33,000. Then went to another place, and asked about the truck and was told Class 7 (26,001-33,000 lbs.) Said its 26,000 gvw, so I'm at a lose with this truck..

The GMC is way under, and does not need cdl's. I had it weighed the other day, and the guy looked shocked it was under the limits..

[Wayne242]

Thats funny how i can just put farm tags on the GMC, and run it with out cdl's etc cause of its weight... Any how I'm studying the cdl book, and the test only as 50 questions. So I'm sure i don't have to learn this book from front to back?

This is why i ask.

"The knowledge test consists of 50 questions covering a broad range of subjects, including vehicle operations under all kinds of conditions, cargo handling, and vehicle inspection.

Additional knowledge must be shown in the following areas:

* Applicants for Class A license - 20 questions on combination vehicles.
* Applicants driving vehicles with air brakes - 25 questions on air brakes."

[Scag48]

Thats funny how i can just put farm tags on the GMC, and run it with out cdl's etc cause of its weight

Yeah, you could do that, but as soon as they find out you're using it commercially you'd be completely sunk. It's the same here in WA, farmers can get tags and drive up to 40,000 GVW vehicle CDL free. However, I don't recommend trying that for business, as you have probably already figured out. :)

[Wayne242]

Yeah, you could do that, but as soon as they find out you're using it commercially you'd be completely sunk. It's the same here in WA, farmers can get tags and drive up to 40,000 GVW vehicle CDL free. However, I don't recommend trying that for business, as you have probably already figured out. :)

Yep just think thats funny how that works. I'm going to get Class A any how so no big deal. Also going to use llc to rent my dumps to my landscaping business, and write off on taxes like i do the other equipment.


P.S: there or a few guys around here who run with farmer tags. Only reason they get by with it is DOT only runs on I-65, and not around here. The sheriffs, and city cops don't care for some reason ( unless your speeding, adn they stop you. Then your screwed).. This is a risk i don't plan i trying though.

[Fieldman12]

I think you was meaning to say you could drive the International under farm and get away with it. Well, that is what dad did in order to ge the experience to go take the test. Thats what I would do is practice with it under farm and then go get your cdl.

[Wayne242]

I think you was meaning to say you could drive the International under farm and get away with it. Well, that is what dad did in order to ge the experience to go take the test. Thats what I would do is practice with it under farm and then go get your cdl.

Well i dont really need the driving experience with the dumps. I have 2 rigs that or 22,000 ibs one is bucket truck with dump, and other is the chip truck with dump. Both or way bigger then the 2 dump trucks.

As for the farm tags i was talking about doing that with the GMC as it looks like an old farm truck. The International is to nice to get away with it.

I guess i'll be studying this cdl book for about a week.

[JDSKIDSTEER]

If I can get class A's anyone can.

[SiteSolutions]

Definitely practice the pre-trip inspection... there's just too many things on that inspector's checklist!

My C-7000 is a hydraulic disc brake / under 26,000 truck, and I tow a 10k trailer (i.e., not over 10k)... it will hold and haul a LOT more than the GVWR so the best way to tell about yours may be giving the VIN to the manufacturer and having them tell you what it was originally rated at.

[Wayne242]

Definitely practice the pre-trip inspection... there's just too many things on that inspector's checklist!

My C-7000 is a hydraulic disc brake / under 26,000 truck, and I tow a 10k trailer (i.e., not over 10k)... it will hold and haul a LOT more than the GVWR so the best way to tell about yours may be giving the VIN to the manufacturer and having them tell you what it was originally rated at.

You know what i never thought about doing that. I'll give them a call today with the vin.

Thanks

[Wayne242]

This ? is for the dump truck drivers. What do yall charge to haul what ever? I was told $80 an hour was the to cheap, and then it was to high?

Just to note I'm parking the 2 dumps for a few months. To many landscaping/tree service jobs lined up to run them right now.

[mastercraft]

Here in NE Ohio, I can get $55 to $65 an hour for my tandem axle, and $40 to $50 for my single axle. It is really hard to find alot of work for the single axle other than a delivery here and there. Almost all my work is with the tandem.