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mkroher
06-11-2007, 10:23 PM
I know there is a thread going on about illegal applicators, but it's going on 9 pages now..

Today, I decided to inquire about turning in my friend, who applies illegally, for years now. I tell him all the time to stop, and get licensed...he just shoves me off thinking he's better than the law. I think he needs a "threat" from the state.
Mind you, he only does pre-emergent in the spring, and backpacks with weed killer that you buy at Home Depot. Regardless, it's against the law.

I called the state today, told her (very nice lady) the story. She immediately asked: "Why don't you sub for him?" I got the impression that she doesn't care?

I replied that I refuse to sub for him, his paperwork would be a joke, and it'll just be a big PITA.

To keep me anonymous on this complaint, our story would be that a neighbor saw him treating a lawn and didn't post, in which the neighbor called the state and questioned this applicator.
She thought it was a good plan, she then asked:

"Are his trucks marked?"
me - "no"

"Does he do commercial properties?"
me - "no"

Apparently she wants proof that it was HIM, treating a property caught in the act, and most likely a residential customer would have loyalty to him and stick up for him and say he's not doing any pesticide work.

She doesn't want to waste one of her inspector's time to send him out on an artificial complaint hoping that residential customer would be truthful and comply with the inspector.

Our state has three (3).. yes 3...inspectors.

She asked "where does he get his product?"

I replied "mostly at lesco in the town of XXX"

She replied that she can get the records from lesco that has his history, so that's a plus.

I have to get an address of a lawn I know he treats, and give it to her, so she can write up this artificial complaint and send an inspector out.

To sum it up:
1. It's difficult to turn someone in.
2. The state only follows up on complaints. If they dont think it's a waste of their time.
3. Anyone can apply pesticides illegally and not be worried (in my state). Sad but true.

jose85
06-11-2007, 10:29 PM
omg ur pussy....and dont say his your friend

KS_Grasscutter
06-11-2007, 10:35 PM
Today, I decided to inquire about turning in my friend

Some friend you are. Infact, I think you just won the ******* Of The Year Award. Congradualtions:clapping:

How hard would it be to tell your "friend" that he NEEDS to stop, and you will do it for him? Why does he not just refer his customers to you (I ASSUME you are licensed?). Thats what I do if someone asks for any pesticeds, straight fertilizer even, just refer them to a good friend of mine that I know will do a good job for them.

TriPLandscaping
06-11-2007, 10:41 PM
Ya I guess you shouldnt fertilize if you not liscensed but tht was pretty shady of you. If he was someone you didnt know it would be a different story but since hes you friend. Just my 2 cents.

mkroher
06-11-2007, 10:43 PM
jose85: stfu

KS_Grasscutter: I've told him to stop countless times. I've also told him to quit and let me take over on the treating of the lawns he maintains. He won't.

I don't see what the big deal is to ask the state to send him a letter saying "to stop"... "we're on to you".

If your friend murdered someone. Would a friend not tell report it?

I don't want my friend to pay huge fines, or go to prison. I want him to stop, and maybe hearing it from the state will help.

turf hokie
06-11-2007, 10:45 PM
I dont know more than a handful of scrapers that have their paper work in good order.

Do the sub work for him. Everybody wins.

I cant believe that CT wont respond to a complaint. In NY all you have to do is give the address you saw them on and a license plate number. They will do the rest and pretty quickly too.

The home improvement license -- which is county by county -- they usually respond to the site within 20 minutes, depending on where in the county they were at the time of the call.

mkroher
06-11-2007, 10:49 PM
Do the sub work for him. Everybody wins.



I've even tried that attempt. He wants all the money for himself.

They WILL respond to a complaint. But, it has to be a really valid cut 'n dry complaint, and won't waste the inspectors time chasing an unmarked truck that treated an un-posted lawn, and the homeowner MIGHT deny what has been going on.

rob1325
06-11-2007, 11:01 PM
I've even tried that attempt. He wants all the money for himself.

They WILL respond to a complaint. But, it has to be a really valid cut 'n dry complaint, and won't waste the inspectors time chasing an unmarked truck that treated an un-posted lawn, and the homeowner MIGHT deny what has been going on.

Who did you talk to? When I turn someone in, they are right on it and send a letter out ASAP to them. Maybe you are not talking to right people. I never had to make up story like you had to. Just give company name, license plate, location, and date/time, Done.

mkroher
06-11-2007, 11:06 PM
Who did you talk to? When I turn someone in, they are right on it and send a letter out ASAP to them. Maybe you are not talking to right people. I never had to make up story like you had to. Just give company name, license plate, location, and date/time, Done.

I didn't see him do it. Therefore I don't have a date/time/location. But I know he does it.

Maybe that's why she's hesitant? Because it's not a valid complaint?

SimonCX
06-11-2007, 11:43 PM
You should try calling the nj dep, at least you spoke to someone in ct, here the only thing you will get is a machine. I tried calling before and got the same thing, they really could careless. The only thing the state cares about is the fee for the license every year.

lifetree
06-11-2007, 11:59 PM
... KS_Grasscutter: I've told him to stop countless times. I've also told him to quit and let me take over on the treating of the lawns he maintains. He won't.

I got this from the original post on this thread ... in any event, I think he did what was right ... he talked to his friend several times to no avail so he had no other choice than to file a complaint !!

boxsky
06-12-2007, 12:11 AM
Personally I think licensing is a joke and just a money maker for the state. I have seen these Scotts, Tru green get their product everywhere, ie stormdrains.

Homeowners who know nothing can buy these products and use them but a somewhat educated LCO can't w/o the license.

Also why do you care so much. Is he hurting your business? Is he really your friend. Is he being careless and a danger to otheres?

mkroher
06-12-2007, 07:35 AM
Personally I think licensing is a joke and just a money maker for the state. I have seen these Scotts, Tru green get their product everywhere, ie stormdrains.

Homeowners who know nothing can buy these products and use them but a somewhat educated LCO can't w/o the license.

Also why do you care so much. Is he hurting your business? Is he really your friend. Is he being careless and a danger to otheres?

He is not hurting my business. He's not my 'best' friend. We don't hang out very much. I'd say an aquaintance with the occasional 20 minute phone conversation 3-4 times a week.

Why do I care so much? He always calls me asking for advice: what to put down, what's this, what's that, what am I doing for next round, etc.

Another prime example, he calls me yesterday saying we should split the costs of a ride on spreader, because "he's sick of pushing". Then why do it? His response is "the money is so damn good".

He does dimension, homedepot broadleaf, and acclaim.

That's what he uses. That's it. The fact that he doens't care about the law ,thinks he'll NEVER get caught, and he doesn't NEED the license....is what gets me mad.

mslawn
06-12-2007, 08:21 AM
If he is your friend, this is exactly why the world is going to s&^t. I really can't see dropping the dime on a friend of mine. I would tell them straight up first. It takes someone very chickens&^t to not tell his friend straight up that he is going to drop the diime if he doesn't go test.
The key word in this is FRIEND!
Now if he was not your friend, drop the dime on the mofo in a heartbeat!

boxsky
06-12-2007, 09:18 AM
If he is your friend, this is exactly why the world is going to s&^t. I really can't see dropping the dime on a friend of mine. I would tell them straight up first. It takes someone very chickens&^t to not tell his friend straight up that he is going to drop the diime if he doesn't go test.
The key word in this is FRIEND!
Now if he was not your friend, drop the dime on the mofo in a heartbeat!

I agree here. This is not murder, drugs, child porn, etc. It is appling a product that any unlicensed homeowner can do.

If you have a problem with him don't give him the answers he seeks. Tell him to go buy a book or talk to a supplier.

Ric
06-12-2007, 10:19 AM
Yo

Friend or no Friend sometimes it is time to Drop a Dime. Case in point was when I was still not certified and a Friend was. He had such a cavalier attitude that it really up set me. He used the Glug method of mixing and it caught up to him many times. Finally he killed enough plants on one customer property that they finally called the Agi Inspector when he refused to take responsibility. I got involved only after he came to me for labels and MSDS of the chemicals he used that the Inspector ask for. Of course he did not even remember which product he bought in a garage sale that he used. But decided to use a Dursban Label for the inspector and ask me to print one for him off my computer. Of course he was a friend and did just what he ask which was to print a label for Dursban. He didn't say which Dursban so I printed a Dursban TC (termite insecticide) and gave it to him. He gave it to the Agi inspector and got a healthy fine. I never felt Guilty about doing that in fact I felt good about even if I ended up losing that friend. But he was the CPO at the Time and I was a lowly tech so who should have know which label the inspector wanted?

Turf Terror
06-12-2007, 10:37 AM
I know there is a thread going on about illegal applicators, but it's going on 9 pages now..

Today, I decided to inquire about turning in my friend, who applies illegally, for years now.......(blah, blah, blah....)
I remember what my first grade teacher, Sister Attila told me...
She said, "Mind your own damn business and go about your work."

Turf Terror
06-12-2007, 10:49 AM
Yo

Friend or no Friend sometimes it is time to Drop a Dime.
...he did not even remember which product he bought in a garage sale that he used. But decided to use a Dursban Label for the inspector and ask me to print one for him off my computer. Of course he was a friend and did just what he ask which was to print a label for Dursban. He didn't say which Dursban so I printed a Dursban TC (termite insecticide) and gave it to him. He gave it to the Agi inspector and got a healthy fine. I never felt Guilty about doing that in fact I felt good about even if I ended up losing that friend. But he was the CPO at the Time and I was a lowly tech so who should have know which label the inspector wanted?
Bad, Ric......bad! LOL
Why didn't you ask your friend which label he needed--that there are different ones?



Note to self: Calling some of the members here "squealing rat bastards", might keep them from ever becoming my friend....
...which may be a good thing. :laugh:

Ric
06-12-2007, 11:39 AM
Bad, Ric......bad! LOL
Why didn't you ask your friend which label he needed--that there are different ones?



Note to self: Calling some of the members here "squealing rat bastards", might keep them from ever becoming my friend....
...which may be a good thing. :laugh:

Turf Terror

Don't knock a man unless you have walked a mile in his shoes. At the time I was a lowly tech not a CPO. WHY WOULD A CPO HAVE TO COME TO A TECH FOR ADVICE OR HELP??? I listened to enough stories about Buying chemicals in Garage sales and getting left over chemicals over 20 years old from a farm supply that went out of business. I also heard about losing this and that customer because he kill their turf, trees or plants. Enough was enough and I actually printed the Wrong label as a joke, But when he didn't give a rats ass about it neither did I. I didn't turn him in, I only helped put a nail in a already build coffin.

BTW This guy was actually the son of a friend who had the 2nd largest LCO in the area. After the father had a stroke, he only took two years to run the business totally into the ground and sell off all the equipment. He is still a lawn spray guy after being fired by several companies and buys the cheapest Scotts fert from WalMart then loads the Highest price Scotts Weed & Feed and gets away with it. My disrespect for him is well earned.

Harley-D
06-12-2007, 11:49 AM
I always wondered if people actually did that. (the switch-a-roo with the scotts stuff)

Really funny then realistically sad.

Ric
06-12-2007, 12:51 PM
I always wondered if people actually did that. (the switch-a-roo with the scotts stuff)

Really funny then realistically sad.

Honda G

There was another trick this guy pulled at Home Cheapo. He line up some pressure washing jobs and bought the biggest pressure washer. Two weeks later he returned it for a full refund. But I also have seen people return lawn mower in the fall for a full refund after cutting their grass all summer long.

Turf Terror

I am glad your Crimmial code of ethics wouldn't allow you to be my friend. You did get my goat. But after reviewing, I realize you are the type of scum I don't want to be around either.

boxsky
06-12-2007, 03:57 PM
He is not hurting my business. He's not my 'best' friend. We don't hang out very much. I'd say an aquaintance with the occasional 20 minute phone conversation 3-4 times a week.

Damn. I don't even talk to wife that much:laugh:

mkroher
06-12-2007, 04:15 PM
Damn. I don't even talk to wife that much:laugh:

haha.. .nice


Well, it seems I've gotten a lot of bashing from this thread. I just want to reiterate: I don't want my friend to pay huge fines or go to prison. I just want him to stop, or at least get the license. I've tried to convince him for many years with no success. I called the state, thinking they can do a better job getting through his thick skull.

Maybe laws are made to be broken. Who wears a seat belt? Who drives while talking on a cell phone? I suppose it's safe to say that everyone who's replied has their own opinion on where the silver lining is on the pesticide laws.

Ric
06-12-2007, 05:29 PM
haha.. .nice


Well, it seems I've gotten a lot of bashing from this thread. I just want to reiterate: I don't want my friend to pay huge fines or go to prison. I just want him to stop, or at least get the license. I've tried to convince him for many years with no success. I called the state, thinking they can do a better job getting through his thick skull.

Maybe laws are made to be broken. Who wears a seat belt? Who drives while talking on a cell phone? I suppose it's safe to say that everyone who's replied has their own opinion on where the silver lining is on the pesticide laws.

mkroher

You don't have to look any further than this thread to realize, Some people need beat over the head with a 2 X 4 to make your point. Then it is questionable if they will do the right thing.

americanlawn
06-12-2007, 08:56 PM
You got that right Ric. Sure - if a guy is doing correct applications for a couple of weeks until he "passes the tests", I can understand, but if it goes on for months, I would have questions. We all know that state examinations ask questions that are irrevelent to what we do, but the law is the law - nomatter how illogical it is. They need to pass the needed tests just so they're protected by law -- even if a liscenced applicator burns lawns, etc. they are "covered". Illogical, I know, but that's how it is.

Turf Terror
06-13-2007, 11:33 PM
Turf Terror

I am glad your Crimmial code of ethics wouldn't allow you to be my friend. You did get my goat. But after reviewing, I realize you are the type of scum I don't want to be around either.
Oh, Owwwwwww! Stop it you're killing me.
Look at your sig....
I'm healthy, wealthy AND a wiseass. I put a laugh smilie after my comment because it was having a little fun with those who turn in their "friends", and not just you.
You did a lot of "explaining" about the friend that you duped after your initial post....giving more reasons as to why your behavior was warranted. I based my comment on your initial post.
Harden up, princess...

americanlawn
06-14-2007, 07:52 PM
I thought mk's post was a good one, and he honestly wanted feedback. Ric, and many others offered it. Nice post, as many of us have experienced the exact same thing. Several local lawn guys subcontract us to do their weed control apps, and these same guys buy the dry products from us cuz we can get it cheaper. It's a win win deal, and it makes friends too. We always try to get along with other LCO's here...it always pays off in the long run. 2 probs I have are: 1) unmarked trucks, 2) LCO's that don't know how to apply products uniformally & safely. Most questions on state tests are a joke & have nothing to do with what we do. Nice post (you can tell because of all the feedback). Nice job mk.

Rayholio
06-15-2007, 02:28 AM
You did the right thing bro. A friend is someone you care enough about to hurt for their own good..

I've seen a 100 year old centerpiece tree in a upper class neighborhood killed by a man with no insurance, or license.. not his fault other than the fact that he didn't read the label on the PRAMITOL closely enough... appearantly didn't understand the term 'leaching' (something that would have been covered in the pesticide class) have any idea what it might cost to replace a tree like that? This guy had to run, and hide.. never heard from him since...

If you can keep your friend from having to go through something like this with a little tough love... why not?