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sheshovel
06-12-2007, 01:53 PM
Here is a job I decided to take some pics of to show. A few houses down from my last job. I was curious when I saw all the pallets of pavers. Going to be a Beer garden and motel. On a road base, compacted with big equipment that cost 8000.00 to bring in for a day. No sand the boss said. Thats him cutting. Thought you would like to see it just cuz of the very size of it.

sheshovel
06-12-2007, 01:59 PM
Yea it gets hinky in some places. The will pave all the way out to the green porta potty.

sheshovel
06-12-2007, 02:02 PM
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Classified
06-12-2007, 05:00 PM
Geeeez!

(Lengthening messege)

02DURAMAX
06-12-2007, 05:39 PM
Thats a Sh*t load of brick!!!

MarcusLndscp
06-12-2007, 09:08 PM
His reasoning for wanting to set right on gravel and not sand was............?

Did he only have 2 men the entire duration of the job?

McKeeLand
06-12-2007, 09:10 PM
no sand huh? cant wait to see that parking lot in a couple of years, can you say horizontal movement!

sheshovel
06-12-2007, 09:12 PM
I did not ask his reasoning, not on gravel, on roadbase, he just said anymore than one inch of sand and it will move. That is Juan there adding one inch of sand under each individual paver he puts down. Grabs a handfull out of the bucket, throws it down, levels it out with a drywall putty knife, sets his paver, whacks it with that rubber mallet.
Dunno that was a Sunday and the boss is one of the workers the guy cutting.

McKeeLand
06-12-2007, 09:12 PM
because it is faster and cheaper, but i am sure he has some B.S. reason why he did it.

McKeeLand
06-12-2007, 09:16 PM
check out pic #5. do you see the cuts on the octagon to correct the bond line shifts. nice:)

MarcusLndscp
06-12-2007, 09:19 PM
Well, he's accurate about the sand being 1"....I just thought you said he used no sand.

And the number 1 most ridiculous thing I've heard in 2007 is........setting 48000 SF of pavers one handful of sand at a time out of a bucket. :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead:

I wonder how many decades it took them to lay all them with that method??????

sheshovel
06-12-2007, 09:20 PM
Yea I asked if he had ever set a job like that before and he said he had been layng "floors" for 30 years, I said laying floors was not even the same as laying pavers. That is when I said all you guys use at least 4" compacted gravel base and 3' sand to set your pavers. He said real loud " Anymore than one inch of sand under jobs like these and they MOVE!" That is BS!"

sheshovel
06-12-2007, 09:21 PM
I just knew you would enjoy these Marcus! Can you see the hinky in pic #2?

sheshovel
06-12-2007, 09:23 PM
check out pic #5. do you see the cuts on the octagon to correct the bond line shifts. nice:)

Yes dear, that's why I took that close up. She is good.

sheshovel
06-12-2007, 09:28 PM
Hinky!........

MarcusLndscp
06-12-2007, 09:28 PM
Yea I asked if he had ever set a job like that before and he said he had been layng "floors" for 30 years, I said laying floors was not even the same as laying pavers. That is when I said all you guys use at least 4" compacted gravel base and 3' sand to set your pavers. He said real loud " Anymore than one inch of sand under jobs like these and they MOVE!" That is BS!"

3' of sand????????? Boy I hope nobody out there is using 3' of sand under their pavers. He's right in saying 1" of washed concrete sand plus or minus a whisker. No more no less.

McKee....I didn't even notice those cuts at first. What a joker. How does someone who does floors for a living get hired to do 48000 SF of pavers???? Maybe I'm on the wrong side of the country.

I still can't believe it.....one handful of sand at a time!!!!! Who wants to take guesses at how long it's taken them to lay that amount?????? I wouldn't even know what kind of time frame to consider. OMG I'm just shocked:dizzy:

Dirty Water
06-12-2007, 09:57 PM
Nice edge restraint.

And She, 3" of sand is a waste.

GreenMonster
06-12-2007, 10:19 PM
a handful of sand under each paver, then set with a mallet.....

what a bunch of frikkin ******s.

sheshovel
06-13-2007, 03:53 AM
OK well I screwed up there.

Big M LawnnSnow
06-13-2007, 04:36 AM
I'm wondering if Juan will put a handful of sand around each paver and then sweep it in with a toothbrush.

ChampionLS
06-13-2007, 12:03 PM
If this guy pulled some string lines to keep his bond lines symmetrical, it will probably turn out ok. He's got the base, the sand and the paver. He's lacking productivity. Whoever did the base can come back with a big roller and smooth it all out.

I've seen state run jobs here in NJ where the contractor (Conti) has put pavers down right on road base with no sand and roll the whole thing. They just replace which ever pavers break before sanding over.

YardPro
06-14-2007, 07:16 AM
How does someone who does floors for a living get hired to do 48000 SF of pavers???? Maybe I'm on the wrong side of the country.




because he was the cheapest

John Zaprala
06-15-2007, 05:33 PM
WOW! lol does he offer a one-year warranty on that? That is a huge project to go with a flooring specialist. And frigging octa-grande? the ugliest paver out there. They should be done in 2 more months.

PatriotLandscape
06-16-2007, 11:34 AM
I'm wondering if Juan will put a handful of sand around each paver and then sweep it in with a toothbrush.

that is hilarious. But seriously he might. Anymore than a hand full of sand around the paver is a waste :D

Superior L & L
06-18-2007, 10:10 PM
UGLY Brick!!!

JJG84
06-18-2007, 10:17 PM
I betcha he's making at least 20 cents per brick + atleast 60% of the total materials cost which he can easily afford to divvy up for some cheap labor.

Pro-Scapes
06-19-2007, 10:23 AM
im bankin he is making more doing this even with juan the tortuga than he ever made layin floors. Prolly make a years salary in the 2 months its going to take him at this rate.

PatriotLandscape
06-19-2007, 08:16 PM
I bet in the end that he actually will make a very small true profit. Having low overhead is the only thing that would make it so he doesn't go out of business.

sheshovel
07-09-2007, 09:42 PM
Bumping up

AztlanLC
07-10-2007, 12:57 AM
4" of base and 3" of sand for a driveway?
Not that I don't criticize jobs but to me this guy is making a decent job, for the size of that project they are moving along it could be much faster I agree but maybe he is learning and I wouldn't be surprise if he knows more about base preparation then some others.

DoetschOutdoor
07-10-2007, 04:34 PM
Anyway to get some updated pics of this in progess?

DoetschOutdoor
07-10-2007, 04:46 PM
Sorry, didnt see the updated pics down below

lawnkid
07-10-2007, 10:47 PM
There will be no need to incorporate speedbumps in the driving areas, they'll form on their own. Maybe he got one of those lifetime deals where he gets to drink for free and pass out in a motel room afterwards.