Pump Station Set-up

[bicmudpuppy]

Ok, lets see what kind of pro/con response I can get about pressure switch settings for a multi-stage pump station. I am going to be replacing the 15HP jockey pump with a 15HP pump in the very near future (looks like I will have to drive down and get it, but beats not having it or paying any other quotes I got). Pump station consists of a 30HP Berkley, a 25HP of unknown origin (its been painted and I haven't cleaned off the tag yet. Pump will catch up and cycle @ 135psi and 100gpm. Running alone we get 90psi@200gpm) and a 15HP pump (either a goulds or berkley). My past experience would tell me to "nest" the pressure settings. 15HP set to 110/120, the 25HP set to 105/125, and the 30HP set to 100/135. I am tempted to alter this and try the 30HP at 100/135, the 25HP at 110/120, and the 15HP at 115/125. The only difference is that the jockey pump will run longer before shutting down. It also means the 25HP shuts off first if all three pumps have been engaged.

[hoskm01]

Way over my head...

[Mr.cactus]

Wow I can tell you made it clear but hard for me to comprehend.
have you tried a timer?

[bicmudpuppy]

Wow I can tell you made it clear but hard for me to comprehend.
have you tried a timer?

how's that line go.........."no, you just don't understand............"
I have to have water to QCV's on demand once things get warm. A 1" QC and 1" greens hose w/ variable nozzle that will output 30+gpm @ 90psi

I was "hoping" for some input from those who have been around large pump stations. Another scenario for the jockey pump (the smaller 15HP) is a dual pressure switch and relay setup. First pressure switch is set @ a middle range w/ a disconnect relay if either of the larger pumps kicks on. The second pressure switch is set to kick the jockey pump back on if the pressure drops below the start pressure for both larger pumps. Shutoff is then set so that this switch kicks back out between the two larger pumps.

[Dirty Water]

I think your second idea sounds pretty good, with the larger pumps shutting down before the jockey pump.

I've always wanted to be in your shoes but never got the chance. I bet Jerry might have some advice.

[Wet_Boots]

Is there a dinky pump, so it only flows enough for a QCV? Or is the 15HP for that?

[bicmudpuppy]

Is there a dinky pump, so it only flows enough for a QCV? Or is the 15HP for that?

The "dinky" pump IS the 15HP and the QCV will run over 30gpm when being used. Output pressure when hand watering will be around 100psi. The nozzle I can use adjusts for shut-off, but specs @ 37gpm@80psi. Greens are banks of 4 heads and only run 40-50gpm per zone. The fairways run 100+gpm per zone and ideally will run 4 zones at a time.

BTW, when running through pump options, a 7.5HP pump was the MINIMUM suggested for any significant flow at 120+psi.

[bicmudpuppy]

Also, design specs for this system called for the system to run 240gpm@135psi. This would be two zones at once. The plans were updated to run 4 zones at a time and the pump station was increased.

[Wet_Boots]

(If you only had a small hose on the QCV, you might need a fourth pump - or maybe a fifth pump for a drinking fountain :p)

[bicmudpuppy]

(If you only had a small hose on the QCV, you might need a fourth pump - or maybe a fifth pump for a drinking fountain :p)

I've got a 8'x4' upright pressure tank w/ an air assist system on top. That good enough? Storage capacity of the system seems to simulate about 300 gallons. (100+gpm zone when pump shuts off takes about 4 min before pressure drops from 135 to 110)
:drinkup:

[bicmudpuppy]

Only 31 posts short of the magic 5k and he doesn't even venture an opinion?? If I was thin skinned, my feelings woul be hurt. As it is, I'm tired and my fuse is running a bit short (in case ya'll didn't notice from some of my replies tonight!!)

[bicmudpuppy]

Dragging this old thread up for comparison :)

Thought I would share some NEW pics :) :clapping::drinkup::cool2:

[bicmudpuppy]

Lost the pics the first time...............Here they are ;)

[bicmudpuppy]

I'll try to take some pics of running water and the screen at 1600+ tonight ;)

[hoskm01]

Nice setup. What is the application? Golf course, neighborhood?

[bicmudpuppy]

80 Acre 18hole high desert daily fee golf course

[hoskm01]

80 Acre 18hole high desert daily fee golf course
Oh right. I remember now. I dove into the big pump setup this year and love it.

[CAPT Stream Rotar]

wow...

bic dude thats awsome!

when do i start?

[Mark B]

When I was at Elon university they had a pump setup. 2 pumps 1 being a jockey and then the big pump. I aways hated starting them up. Then we had flowtronics install a amad (sp) filter system with some kind of control gizmo that would make me scratch my head until I learned it. They were always fun to mess with.
You have a gate valve those are easier to open up. We had butterfly valves.

[bicmudpuppy]

wow...

bic dude thats awsome!

when do i start?

The day after you fill out the application. Paradise only pays minimum wage and we restrict overtime :)

[bicmudpuppy]

When I was at Elon university they had a pump setup. 2 pumps 1 being a jockey and then the big pump. I aways hated starting them up. Then we had flowtronics install a amad (sp) filter system with some kind of control gizmo that would make me scratch my head until I learned it. They were always fun to mess with.
You have a gate valve those are easier to open up. We had butterfly valves.

Those twin 50's are VFD's. The small middle pump/motor is just a sustain pump. It won't run much over 30gpm. Either 50 will run as little as 50gpm at 120psi. Pressure drops low enough to cause a low pressure alarm (under 100psi) at around 2050gpm.

[Kiril]

When I was at Elon university

LOL. When I was there it was called Elon College.

[FIMCO-MEISTER]

wow...

bic dude thats awsome!

when do i start?

On the golf course you have to start at the bottom Eddie.

You could refill the ball washers for starts. Then move up to trap edging.

[bicmudpuppy]

On the golf course you have to start at the bottom Eddie.

You could refill the ball washers for starts. Then move up to trap edging.

Traps are almost edged for the last time this season, but we will need someone to manually push plugs on greens and tees starting the 25th :) My son will be back to school by that time.

[txgrassguy]

Still having your cycling/pressure problems?
The one thing I do not like about electronic panels that control flow rates is slaving the flow meter to the panel with any degree of accuracy.
Excessive cycling is a result when the flow meter is plumbed with-in the pump house.
On field conversions I ended up using a rule of tens as an install guide. For every 1" of discharge line size, add 10' to the distance from the pump house.
Then install a cycle stop valve with a moderately sized pressure tank and you should greatly lengthen the life of the motors - as VFD's are hard on windings.

[Mark B]

LOL. When I was there it was called Elon College.


Are you telling your age??? I use look after all the irritation on campus.

[Kiril]

Are you telling your age??? I use look after all the irritation on campus.

Apparently not older than Boots neckties. :laugh:

[Kiril]

Checked out when it became a University. I was there a long time before that happened.

If memory serves me correctly, this was my dorm, or the one to the left.

[Wet_Boots]

Checked out when it became a University. I was there a long time before that happened.

If memory serves me correctly, this was my dorm, or the one to the left.Too bad they couldn't teach you practical fluid mechanics :)http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/7366/magnetboyscrewballrr2.gif

[Mark B]

You should the see the campus now. Okelly is not there anymore. The East college road is gone. That campus has exploded over the past 10yrs. I still do some under ground communications infrastructure up there for them.

Do you remember the lighthouse? Well Elon ownes that now. The prevous owner is in jail for drugs and stuff.

[Kiril]

Too bad they couldn't teach you practical fluid mechanics

Didn't spend all that much time there ..... too many extra curricular activities. ;) That was my first attempt at a college education.

I did all my hydrology work at UCD, where they did teach practical fluid mechanics. I suppose it is too much to ask Mr. Charts to understand Darcy-Weisbach or Bernoullis Equation.

Do you remember the lighthouse?

The lighthouse? Seems vaguely familiar, was that a bar/club?

[Wet_Boots]

....I suppose it is too much to ask Mr. Charts to understand Darcy-Weisbach or Bernoullis Equation.One could know what works in the field, without ever having heard of Bernoulli. :p

[AI Inc]

One could know what works in the field, without ever having heard of Bernoulli. :p

And that is the key right there.Works on paper is nice to sell the job, whats reasonable and works in a real world application is what counts.

[Kiril]

And that is the key right there.Works on paper is nice to sell the job, whats reasonable and works in a real world application is what counts.

The discussion between boots and myself has nothing to do with "real world application". Boots claims flow can be determined using a 3 variable equation which he has yet to produce, I claim otherwise. Apparently Boots doesn't understand where his charts come from.

[Wet_Boots]

Sorry Magnet Boy, but the engineers had this one figured out before you could even buy a scientific calculator. Know the flow and pressure at a specific point, along with the static pressure, and you can derive more flow-and-pressure values.

[AI Inc]

The discussion between boots and myself has nothing to do with "real world application". Boots claims flow can be determined using a 3 variable equation which he has yet to produce, I claim otherwise. Apparently Boots doesn't understand where his charts come from.

So basicaly if the wife asks you to do something for her you will have to replay " not now hunny , Im busy, Im on the internet arguing with someone I dont know about sometrhing that dosnt matter" ?

[Wet_Boots]

Works for me :)

[Kiril]

Know the flow and pressure at a specific point, along with the static pressure, and you can derive more flow-and-pressure values.

Boots, keep your eye on the ball.

http://www.lawnsite.com/showpost.php?p=2395722&postcount=1

Anyone want to speculate on the principles of how their flow gauge works?

FYI, the whole exercise was to determine how the Toro flow gauge works
(i.e. how the assembly measures flow using a pressure gauge.)

Wake up Boots, we don't know the flow, :hammerhead:, this is the unknown which we are trying to determine (basic high school algebra). Furthermore, your tank and "theoretical nozzle" example is not even applicable given your attempting to define a dynamic pressure system using a static pressure system example.

Bottomline, I presented the applicable equation given the construction of the assembly, and in your usual obtuse and argumentative manner, had some smart azz response that has nothing to do with the topic. Your continued ignorance of the original discussion is getting old.

In order for your "method" to work I would need a data set containing a number of flow and dynamic pressure readings at that flow. Then I could plot the relationship between these in order to determine flow rate at an unmeasured dynamic pressure within the measured pressure range.

At this point, who cares? I already have the data I need to design my irrigation system from the data I collected for the dynamic pressure I want.

So Boots, show us how you can do it. I don't have a bucket or stop watch which I can measure flow with, but I do have a pressure gage.

Static Gage reading: 60 PSI
Dynamic Gage reading: 40 PSI
Flow: Unknown

What is my flow rate at the dynamic pressures of 40 PSI, 45 PSI, 50 PSI?

Or say we have:

Static Gage reading: 60 PSI
Dynamic Gage reading: 40 PSI
Flow: 10 GPM

What is my flow rate at the dynamic pressures of 35 PSI, 45 PSI, 55 PSI?

[Wet_Boots]

Dude, what planet are you working on? When you evaluate a water supply, you always come up with a measured flow at a specific dynamic pressure. No unknowns there. Combined with static pressure, you are ready to calculate more performance numbers. But you already knew that, didn't you?

This can relate to supplies too large for the Toro gauge. You get three values, then work from there, to get values more applicable to your intended work.

[Mike Leary]

:::::::backs out of thread and over the cliff:::::::

[Kiril]

Dude, what planet are you working on? When you evaluate a water supply, you always come up with a measured flow at a specific dynamic pressure. No unknowns there. Combined with static pressure, you are ready to calculate more performance numbers. But you already knew that, didn't you?

This can relate to supplies too large for the Toro gauge. You get three values, then work from there, to get values more applicable to your intended work.

Yup ..... that was pretty much the answer I expected.

[Mike Leary]

Yup ..... that was pretty much the answer I expected.

Compliments of the chef.

[Waterit]

I sense Mr. Donovan's presence hovering over this little convo 'tween Boots and Kiril...

Nice pics of the fruit, Mike

[Mike Leary]

[QUOTE=Waterit;2446394]I sense Mr. Donovan's presence hovering over this little convo 'tween Boots and Kiril/QUOTE]

Keeps him justifying his gig.

[Wet_Boots]

Hell, I was trying to nudge Joe College into figuring it out, but if this is lost knowledge, so be it. I'll just have to exploit it for beer money. :drinkup:

[Kiril]

Hell, I was trying to nudge Joe College into figuring it out

The only thing I have figured out is that you just can't resist disagreeing with me, even if you have no leg to stand on. And to think, all this because I posted an equation that had too many variables. :cry::cry: :laugh:

[Wet_Boots]

Tell you what, I'll find my old calculator, which is currently on the missing list, and run your example through it, and you can take it from there. I've used the technique enough to know that it works, but I never bothered trying to relate it to any other equations.

[Kiril]

You better be balls on because you can bet I am going to check it in real time with my new flow meter.
BTW, if you can't produce an equation, don't even bother.

[Wet_Boots]

No equation, if there isn't one already to be found on the web. I will figure to exploit the 'lost knowledge' for profit.

As for taking equations with lots of variables, or terms, and greatly simplifying them, remember the line...

"I find it works well enough to get me from one planet to another."

[Kiril]

No equation, if there isn't one already to be found on the web.

Your the one claiming you can determine flow using a 3 variable equation, which means 2 known variables (static and dynamic pressure), 1 unknown (flow).

As for taking equations with lots of variables, or terms, and greatly simplifying them

And what do you think the equation I posted was? A simplified version. If you had bothered to actually read the reference you would realize that.

Simplify it any further (other than replacing the expansion factor with a 1) and all your doing is guessing. At least attempt to understand the equation and variables and you would see why they are necessary.

And once again, your missing the whole point of the exercise ... how does the Toro flow gage determine flow. Your "method", if it even exists, does not apply to the Toro gage.

[Wet_Boots]

Your the one claiming you can determine flow using a 3 variable equation, which means 2 known variables (static and dynamic pressure), 1 unknown (flow).I have never claimed any such thing. Why would you even consider that to be possible? How do you take readings at a home or other building and not come away with three measured values? Start with three values measured. Static Pressure. Dynamic Pressure. Flow (at the dynamic pressure you measured) Three knowns. Then you can determine more flow-and-pressure combinations.

And what do you think the equation I posted was? A simplified version. If you had bothered to actually read the reference you would realize that.

Simplify it any further (other than replacing the expansion factor with a 1) and all your doing is guessing. At least attempt to understand the equation and variables and you would see why they are necessary.

And once again, your missing the whole point of the exercise ... how does the Toro flow gage determine flow. Your "method", if it even exists, does not apply to the Toro gage.Getting a useful result is what counts, and you can do that without knowing why a nozzle of a certain size allows a flow of a certain amount at a certain pressure. That it does so on a consistent basis is enough to work with.

[bicmudpuppy]

Your the one claiming you can determine flow using a 3 variable equation, which means 2 known variables (static and dynamic pressure), 1 unknown (flow).



And what do you think the equation I posted was? A simplified version. If you had bothered to actually read the reference you would realize that.

Simplify it any further (other than replacing the expansion factor with a 1) and all your doing is guessing. At least attempt to understand the equation and variables and you would see why they are necessary.

And once again, your missing the whole point of the exercise ... how does the Toro flow gage determine flow. Your "method", if it even exists, does not apply to the Toro gage.

And how could you imagine the Toro guage works if not exactly in this manner? That it has been engineered and calibrated is a plus, but it works on that simple principle that all those charts use. X volume moves through Y restriction at Z pressure. IT doesn't REALLY care what the static pressure even was. This would be why the guage is limited to the lower flows on the gauge. The semantics you have been ranting about with boots show me that you lack the ability to grasp the hydraulics in their practical form. A flow test gives you the POC that you connected the gauge to's volume at a dynamic pressure. Hopefully, you took a static pressure reading first. The knowledge gained will HELP you design a functional system.

Now, your in a high pressure neighborhood............Your best tool in the truck is a Toro Flow Meter...........The bib in the front yard does NOT max the gauge. With a static of over 100#'s, How do I KNOW that I can run nearly double the reading on the flow meter?



















I had full access to the house and I turned on EVERY faucet I could find including the other outside bib and got the EXACT same info from the 1/2" front yard bib.

[FIMCO-MEISTER]

Where is that guy who jumped in on the 7 head thread at the end? He was brilliant and we can let him be the final authority on this and end this feud between "faded necktie" and "magnet boy". (their names for each other not mine.)

[AI Inc]

Where is that guy who jumped in on the 7 head thread at the end? He was brilliant and we can let him be the final authority on this and end this feud between "faded necktie" and "magnet boy". (their names for each other not mine.)

Was that the engineer that designed fire supresion systems?

[Wet_Boots]

No need to ring the alarm bells - the answer here is one of those "Why did I never think of that?!!" dealies :wall

[Kiril]

And how could you imagine the Toro guage works if not exactly in this manner? That it has been engineered and calibrated is a plus, but it works on that simple principle that all those charts use. X volume moves through Y restriction at Z pressure. IT doesn't REALLY care what the static pressure even was. This would be why the guage is limited to the lower flows on the gauge. The semantics you have been ranting about with boots show me that you lack the ability to grasp the hydraulics in their practical form. A flow test gives you the POC that you connected the gauge to's volume at a dynamic pressure. Hopefully, you took a static pressure reading first. The knowledge gained will HELP you design a functional system.

No offense bic, but your a little late to the party and you have fallen for Boots misdirection of the topic discussion I had originally started.

The topic of the original discussion was never about practical field applications, but simply an exercise in hydraulic device engineering (eg. trying to determine the principles of how the gage works). I was hoping that we could have a fun discussion about the nitty gritty of how the assembly works. Boots, in his usual obtuse manner, kept pushing for an equation, so I look up the most likely one given the construction of the device.

The equation I proposed to explain how the Toro flow gage uses to determine flow from pressure is (Orig post (http://www.lawnsite.com/showpost.php?p=2396905&postcount=47)):

http://www.lawnsite.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=113079&stc=1&d=1214791581

His trolling response was (orig post (http://www.lawnsite.com/showpost.php?p=2397214&postcount=49)):

Sorry, Gertrude, that don't cut it. You got the three stated quantities. Static Pressure (SP) and Dynamic Pressure (DP) and Flow (F) and from those you can derive what dynamic pressure (call it DP1) you will have at a different flow (call it F1)

He gave no reason why the ISO5167 general equation would not work, even though it specifically applies to determining flow using pressure differential devices. Furthermore, he kept using a static pressure system example in an attempt to explain a dynamic pressure system and he has STILL yet to provide any useful alternative equation!!!!!

So here is the link to the ISO5167 (http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue/catalogue_tc/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=28064) standard
and the reference (http://www.arian.cl/downloads/man-arian_flow_cad_software.pdf) I used for the equation.

So please explain to me (bic or anyone) why the variables in this equation are not needed to determine flow using pressure differential devices. Please provide an explanation for every variable that is not needed (assumptions are not acceptable).

If you want to talk about practical field measurements, then lets talk about the how a 5 gallon bucket and stop watch work, because these are probably the most commonly used tools to determine flow.

[Kiril]

Where is that guy who jumped in on the 7 head thread at the end? He was brilliant and we can let him be the final authority on this and end this feud between "faded necktie" and "magnet boy". (their names for each other not mine.)

Boots would most likely shoot him down too since he used the Darcy-Weisbach equation to solve that problem, which is most certainly NOT practical in the field, right Boots.

[Waterit]

Kiril and Boots' spat =
116031

[Wet_Boots]

Aww, c'mon, Magnet Boy, if it makes you feel any better, I will post a direct response to the question of how the Toro flow gauge works.

"I don't know. I don't care. If it is reasonably accurate, that's good enough for me."

Now we can return to the hijacking, and my curiosity about modern knowledge of the ancient technique of supplying projected flow-and-pressure numbers, once the three essential quantities are measured. If it's a lost art, so be it. With interchangeable nozzles, it's a different irrigation world today, and you can almost always get performance from the sprinkler heads.

[Mike Leary]

Kiril and Boots' spat =]

:::::::looks for more raspberry pics:::::::

[Kiril]

Kiril and Boots' spat =
116031

I agree. Lets all thank Boots for not having the ability to stay on topic and his incessant posts that serve no other purpose than an attempt to push my buttons.

Here you go Boots, a new avatar.

[Wet_Boots]

Do understand this isn't a completely outdated line of thought. Witness the posted question about what one might expect to get from a 2-inch meter. I could answer that, with the three measurements, even though I might only have measured a flow that is a small fraction of the anticipated operating flow.

[BSME]

I think we should start voting people off... survivor style.

[Wet_Boots]

I do beg pardon of all who see this all as an interminable harangue, but I freely admit to being taken with the idea that a powerful method of extrapolating performance numbers has become all but forgotten.

[Kiril]

Do understand this isn't a completely outdated line of thought. Witness the posted question about what one might expect to get from a 2-inch meter. I could answer that, with the three measurements, even though I might only have measured a flow that is a small fraction of the anticipated operating flow.

Funny, I could answer that with no measurements.

BTW, more words with little substance. Demonstrate your method Boots.

[Kiril]

I do beg pardon of all who see this all as an interminable harangue, but I freely admit to being taken with the idea that a powerful method of extrapolating performance numbers has become all but forgotten.

Then review the law of mass conservation.

[Wet_Boots]

Funny, I could answer that with no measurements.The general idea is to answer correctly. If the OP had no knowledge of the main's location, and 700 feet of galvanized pipe lay between meter and main, my methodology would account for it. Your Magic Eightball wouldn't.

[Kiril]

The general idea is to answer correctly.

Gee, you just can't make up your mind can you. On one hand you generalize complex calculations and that is OK, but now you want accuracy. :hammerhead:

If the OP had no knowledge of the main's location, and 700 feet of galvanized pipe lay between meter and main, my methodology would account for it. Your Magic Eightball wouldn't.

more words with little substance. Demonstrate your method Boots.

[Wet_Boots]

Dude, I think you will have to make some educated guesses, once I stumble across my old calculator I programmed for this purpose, and post some flow-and-pressure numbers. Hope the batteries didn't go dead.

Yep. Accurate. Knowledge by measurement and extrapolation. And this knowledge is for hire. Prices begin at $115.00 payup

[Kiril]

Dude, I think you will have to make some educated guesses, once I stumble across my old calculator I programmed for this purpose, and post some flow-and-pressure numbers. Hope the batteries didn't go dead.

Yep. Accurate. Knowledge by measurement and extrapolation. And this knowledge is for hire. Prices begin at $115.00 payup

The fact you need a programming calculator to determine flow given your "3 variables" speaks volumes.
Hmmmm, maybe not as simple as you lead us to believe.

BTW, extrapolation is anything but accurate, and nothing more than an educated guess.

I believe this is appropriate.

[FIMCO-MEISTER]

STOP THE INSANITY

DR.PRESSURE WE NEED YOU NOW!

[Wet_Boots]

Sorry, sonny, but it works, and is accurate enough to design by. I've sold this sort of thing before, and the customers were satisfied.

[Kiril]

STOP THE INSANITY

DR.PRESSURE WE NEED YOU NOW!

ROFL. :laugh:

If Boots would stop flappin his gums and demonstrate his highly accurate method then this discussion would have ended a long time ago.

No demonstration + no equation = Boots FOS

[Mike Leary]

this discussion would have ended a long time ago.

You mean "this harangue".

[Mike Leary]

We've had a few threads like this one lately, is it because of the eclipse?

[Wet_Boots]

I hear an echo echo

Off for more produce

[Kiril]

I'm just waiting for Boots to hang himself trying to "accurately" extrapolate a flow or dynamic pressure using the single data point he obtained when he measured his 3 variables. This is after all what he is claiming he can do, and also the reason why he continues to evade posting his method and equation because he knows it can't be done.

[Wet_Boots]

Calculator still missing, and I'm getting the sinking feeling that if I stop everything and hunt it up, the batteries might be dead. So instead, I'll do a workaround that employs the same basic method. Unfortunately the workaround doesn't allow me to use any chosen dynamic pressure to calculate a flow from. Instead, I'll have to choose a flow, and derive a dynamic pressure from it.

Given conditions~~~

Static Gage reading: 60 PSI
Dynamic Gage reading: 40 PSI
Flow: 10 GPM

What is my flow rate at the dynamic pressures of 35 PSI, 45 PSI, 55 PSI?

12 GPM ~ New Dynamic Pressure is 32 PSI
8 GPM ~ New Dynamic Pressure is 47.8 PSI
5 GPM ~ New Dynamic Pressure is 54.5 PSI

[Mike Leary]

Static Gage reading: 60 PSI
Dynamic Gage reading: 40 PSI Flow: 10 GPM
What is my flow rate at the dynamic pressures of 35 PSI, 45 PSI, 55 PSI?
12 GPM ~ New Dynamic Pressure is 32 PSI
8 GPM ~ New Dynamic Pressure is 47.8 PSI
5 GPM ~ New Dynamic Pressure is 54.5 PSI

Whew! I thought it was going to be one of those "ask the forum" questions.

[Kiril]

Where is the equation Boots? Those numbers don't mean squat if you can't show how you got them. Furthermore, you didn't answer the question at the requested pressures. You just failed that test. Try again.

[BSME]

Where is the equation Boots? Those numbers don't mean squat if you can't show how you got them. Furthermore, you didn't answer the question at the requested pressures. You just failed that test. Try again.

haha show your work... feels like high school again where you can get all the right answers but fail if you don't show enough work

[Wet_Boots]

The equation is programmed into the calculator, and in the back of one of my ancient catalogs. Absent the calculator, I have to do a workaround, but I believe it is still accurate. But I do not have the freedom to easily use dynamic pressure as a starting point.

Do feel free to demonstrate that the extrapolated values I gave are not accurate, that they could not be used for system design.

[Kiril]

The burden of proof is not on me. This is YOUR claim. Show your work!

Anyone can use an online flow calculator to get these numbers Boots.
If you can't show your work, you claims are B.S.

[Wet_Boots]

I expended some genuine effort to come up with the equation. You will not receive it in return for making loud noises.

[Mike Leary]

Took this pic today at the site.

[Wet_Boots]

What's that poking out of the water near the point?

[Kiril]

I expended some genuine effort to come up with the equation. You will not receive it in return for making loud noises.

Funny. No equation your FOS.

BTW, solving for velocity using the given dynamic pressure is not allowed. This violates your claims.

[CAPT Stream Rotar]

peep the sig

[Mike Leary]

What's that poking out of the water near the point?

Something we are not pleased about...aqua farming. They raise Atlantic salmon, feeding them who knows what. A few years ago, the net failed & they all escaped,they were so genetically stupid, the locals picked them off the beach & into the barbie.

[Wet_Boots]

Funny. No equation your FOS.Would Rick Flair explain the figure-four leglock? I don't think so.

BTW, solving for velocity using the given dynamic pressure is not allowed. This violates your claims.Water velocity never figures into my short-cut method.

[Dirty Water]

Mike, that pic looks like it was taken slightly to the west of the Hood Canal Bridge.

Yes/No?

[Mike Leary]

Mike, that pic looks like it was taken slightly to the west of the Hood Canal Bridge.

Yes/No?

It's off Bainbridge Island, in Rich Passage right at the corner.

[Mike Leary]

Rick Flair

::::Warner Bros. quickley copyrights the name for a Milly Cyrus male version.::::

[Kiril]

Would Rick Flair explain the figure-four leglock? I don't think so.

Would Stephen Hawking present a theory without providing the mathematics to back it up? I don't think so.

Either step up to the plate and present your work and methodology or go home.

[bicmudpuppy]

Would Stephen Hawking present a theory without providing the mathematics to back it up? I don't think so.

Either step up to the plate and present your work and methodology or go home.

Just where do you think he is?? My bet is he is at his home in front of the computer every time he dispense wisdom (that is lost on so many) to the internet.

[Michael J. Donovan]

I think we can all moved on from the "Boots and Kiril" show :rolleyes:

anyway, the thread is now closed :waving: