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green-pa
06-23-2007, 03:57 AM
A lawnsite member wants to sell a Toro 36wb, proline year 2000 mower with about 530 ( estimated) hours on it ( no hour meter). Is it worth $900 for something with this many hours? I have credit for a $3,000 new scag. Both the $900 used unit and $3000 new scag are belt driven. I'd really like to save some $ and get a used one, but how many more hours shoud I expect out of a Toro like this? If I test it out, are there any things to look for? What is the most that it would cost me to get things repaired if there were to be a major malfunction shortly down the road?

gary6768
06-23-2007, 10:29 AM
If you're a guy that takes care of things and plan on being in the business AND you have the funds why not buy new. If you're short on cash take your time and buy a good used machine.

LindblomRJ
06-23-2007, 10:35 AM
I would take a look at the used Toro. If it is in good shape and appears to be well maintaied you might have saved some money.

Repairs can vary. If you are somewhat mechanically inclined you may be able to save some labor cost.

BUCKEYE MOWING
06-23-2007, 10:38 AM
Start with the used machine .IMHO It would be best until you can pay cash for the new one .

SoloSulkySurfer
06-23-2007, 11:38 AM
Start with the used machine .IMHO It would be best until you can pay cash for the new one .

I second that, I would never buy anything on credit your asking for trouble. I see nothing wrong with buying a well maintained used machine. I bought a used bobcat 48" WB last year and the machine was used but for $400 I figured it was worth the risk. It still runs great and hasnt cost me anything for major repairs. Commercial equipment is usually built like a tank.

green-pa
06-23-2007, 02:45 PM
Thanks guys! I Think I may take a look more seriously on the used models. Is there any date I shouldn't go back to? Like should I stay above 2000? How old or too many hours is too old to risk?

stevenf
06-23-2007, 03:55 PM
I have a Toro self propelled mower that is about 6-7 years old and still running very strong. Toros last a while.....

TSG
06-23-2007, 05:28 PM
If the 36 is going to be your main machine....new
By the time you section it (196?) on your taxes, it will only cost you 40%
If it is only going to be used on a few gated properties,,used

Just .02
Alan

green-pa
06-23-2007, 07:09 PM
If the 36 is going to be your main machine....new
By the time you section it (196?) on your taxes, it will only cost you 40%
If it is only going to be used on a few gated properties,,used

Just .02
Alan

So are u saying that a used 2000 36wb Toro with about 500 hours on it used on a 3 acre lot would only be good now for like 2-3 gated properties? I will be needing it for at least 12-20 properties, mostly 1/6 acre to 1 acre.

TSG
06-23-2007, 09:56 PM
No
I am saying that if it is going to be your main mower, don't skimp.
Try to buy the correct one first.
Have you thought about a 44,,,,since the new toro's have come
out there are some good deals to be had.
I have a bobcat 36 and it is a great machine.
I would not like it as much if I didn't have a 52.

You will run out of money before you run out of good deals,,,get the size
that serves you most

Alan

mc24034
06-23-2007, 10:37 PM
Green-Pa. I think youre making this decision more diffilcult for yourself. Youve been talking about this mower now for over a month. Personally, if your only mowing 12-20 yards a week, and right now probably more like every 2 weeks you cant afford to get a used one due to the possibility of having it in the shop with repairs. $60 an hour just for labor starts to add up. I think you either need to go to Repower and get the Scag 36" or get the Samuari Quick 36. Just make the decision now so you can start making some good money and be able to take on more business. PM me if you have any questions. Good luck.

ed2hess
06-23-2007, 10:59 PM
Green-Pa. I think youre making this decision more diffilcult for yourself.
I agree.....I believe we have given him too much information.

SoloSulkySurfer
06-24-2007, 12:16 AM
How about a 48" or 52" and a 36 for a trim mower. If you buy both used you will still come out cheaper than new. Buy a unit that was owned by a homeowner if the oppurtunity exists. A one acre lot with a 36 is alot. Possible but not ideal.

mc24034
06-24-2007, 12:28 AM
How about a 48" or 52" and a 36 for a trim mower. If you buy both used you will still come out cheaper than new. Buy a unit that was owned by a homeowner if the oppurtunity exists. A one acre lot with a 36 is alot. Possible but not ideal.

Yeah a 36 isnt Ideal, but in his situation, hes going from a 21in John Deere push mower to a 36 in. Thats going to cut his mowing time down by at least 50%. And since hes only using a 21" push mower I honestly doubt he currently has any properties an acre or even 3/4 an acre. Who knows.

LindblomRJ
06-24-2007, 01:33 AM
A 36 would be a nice step up from a 21" I think the used mower would be a good investment. It would take him to the next step.

Allens LawnCare
06-24-2007, 01:41 AM
I picked up a used Exmark Metro....1997 3 years ago...starts up first pull everytime,The only problem I have is with this new fuel I need to clean the carb twice a year...... look for bad signs, leaky gaskets, bend breaks or welds in the frame, and check the spindles....basiclly there shouldn't be any play on the pulleys.....

2 clowns mowing
06-24-2007, 08:00 AM
i'll sell you my 2007 toro gear drive, 36 inch for $2700 with $300 velko sulky used veeeery little i'll meet you haft way in richmond ind bizmarkdroops@yahoo.com 937-266-6351

green-pa
06-24-2007, 04:48 PM
Thanks clown but I don't have that much cash now. I'll have to use my credit line for anything like that. BUt I appreciate the offer.

i'll sell you my 2007 toro gear drive, 36 inch for $2700 with $300 velko sulky used veeeery little i'll meet you haft way in richmond ind bizmarkdroops@yahoo.com 937-266-6351

LawnTamer
06-24-2007, 06:17 PM
I have a 2000 Toro 36" with the T-bar, belt drive. It is still a reliable machine and has over 3,000 hrs on it. If you believe the machine really has only 500-600 hrs. on it, I'd jump all over it for $900.

echeandia
06-24-2007, 09:15 PM
If all you have is 12 to 20 lots to mow, why don't you just stick with the 21" mower? Sure, the larger mower will save you time, but what will you do with the time? If you won't be productive with the extra time just keep the machine you currently have. Save money over the rest of the summer and then buy a larger mower before the next mowing season begins.

green-pa
06-24-2007, 09:25 PM
If all you have is 12 to 20 lots to mow, why don't you just stick with the 21" mower? Sure, the larger mower will save you time, but what will you do with the time? If you won't be productive with the extra time just keep the machine you currently have. Save money over the rest of the summer and then buy a larger mower before the next mowing season begins.

Well, the mower I have ins't commercial for one thing, and it's already falling apart and it's not even been thorugh one season. It's worked well, but the front left wheel fell off, and 2 of the height levers have broken or messed up. I've done all of the maintenence besides that so it runs good, just not built near as strong as a commercial I'lm sure. The 36 would allow me to get into bigger lawns. I'm hoping to pick up 4-5 at least and that would pay for it and then some. Not to mention that it would save me much time on my lawn. I have 1/3 acre that takes about an hour to cut with my 30 inch john deer home owner rider. I think it would save me like 1/2 hour on that as it can go much faster and turn zero unlike my jd rider. Another thing is that I plan on doubling my customers next year and don't want to be doint them all with a 21. I have about 25-30 normally each week. I figure I'll save 3-4 hours using a 36wb ( as only about 1/2 I'll be able to use it on). THat 3-4 hours I could do 2-3 acre properties or 3-4 or more 1/2 acre ones and have even a new one paid for by the fall. I just want to know should I pay $850 for a used 2000 toro proline or go into debt on a $3500 ( w/sulky or velky) new scag? It's sounding like the used one is the best option since my money is low now.

TSG
06-24-2007, 10:11 PM
The other thing to think about is buyiny the toro
and saving up for a newer machine next year. The toro then becomes
your back-up.