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NightScenes
06-28-2007, 07:43 AM
Whenever I ask someone if they are going to join the Association of Outdoor Lighting Professionals I get the question, what do I get? Well, besides all of the camaraderie of some of the best landscape lighting professionals in the business. An annual conference where education is top notch. Discounts with some great distributors and a certification in low voltage lighting which can land a project that others won't qualify for. Now there is a welcome package that makes membership a no-brainer!! When you pay your new membership (or renew) you will receive a welcome package that will include your certificate of membership, your AOLP logo, your standards of installation and coupons, discounts and rebates from manufactures and distributor members. These incentives will exceed the cost of membership!! This means that by joining the AOLP, the person will actually MAKE MONEY!! Do you know any association where you can actually get so much value?

Take a look at what the AOLP can do for you and your landscape lighting business at www.aolponline.org .

Lite4
06-28-2007, 07:16 PM
Paul, when is the next conference and where?

Mike M
06-28-2007, 07:27 PM
Paul, do you have a lot of influence? Maybe they could have it at Hilton Head, SC. I can't ride my bicycle much further than that.

Mike M.

High Performance Lighting
06-28-2007, 10:17 PM
When you pay your new membership (or renew) you will receive a welcome package that will include your certificate of membership, your AOLP logo, your standards of installation and coupons, discounts and rebates from manufactures and distributor members. These incentives will exceed the cost of membership!! This means that by joining the AOLP, the person will actually MAKE MONEY!! Do you know any association where you can actually get so much value?

Does this sound like an infomercial you see at 1 AM on some high number cable tv channel . Or more like a pitch from Cal worthington's used car lot?

Regardless , the aolp has some of the finest lighters in the world in their stable. Reach out and embrace this organization. Stand up and be counted before we are legislated right out of business and we all lose our right to light. :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

Chris J
06-28-2007, 10:27 PM
Jeeze Mike,
Now I'm feeling kind of proud to be a member of the AOLP. Does this mean I'm one of the finest lighters in the world? :blob2:

David Gretzmier
06-28-2007, 10:31 PM
mike g- in other threads you have been against aolp, have you come around to recommending them now?

NightScenes
06-28-2007, 10:34 PM
Paul, when is the next conference and where?


January 24-26 in Scottsdale, AZ. This is the best location when taking into consideration the facilities needed for certification testing, the proximity to the national office, and the rates given to the AOLP for conference rooms, catering, equipment and rooms. The weather is not bad either.

Chris J
06-28-2007, 10:35 PM
OOOhh, this is gonna be a good one.

Chris J
06-28-2007, 10:40 PM
January 24-26 in Scottsdale, AZ. This is the best location when taking into consideration the facilities needed for certification testing, the proximity to the national office, and the rates given to the AOLP for conference rooms, catering, equipment and rooms. The weather is not bad either.

In short, this is the most convenient location for the "real" leader of the AOLP.
Don't be fooled for too long Paul.

NightScenes
06-28-2007, 10:50 PM
I guess we could move it if everyone is willing to pay about 3x as much. We'll let Chris pick up the tab. How about Hawaii?

High Performance Lighting
06-28-2007, 10:53 PM
mike g- in other threads you have been against aolp, have you come around to recommending them now?

I've never been against them. I told my story of what happened when I belonged because I was asked. I hold no grudge against them and recommend joining if you feel it's right for you. If you're not sure then join anyway, go to the conference, and if you don't like it then don't renew.

My own personal situation has no bearing on what's right for you. I make no bones about it and will tell you that I am disliked by some in this industry for a few reasons.

#1- I don't play by the "traditional rules" that were established by manufacturers and distributors who control this industry.

#2- I don't hesitate to speak my mind and don't buy into the hypocrisy that exists with the system they set up.

#3-Jealousy of the success I've had in this business- What has he done to deserve this, why him and not me?

#4- Disagree with my philosphies because it is in conflict with theirs and can potentially put a dent in their bottom line by hurting sales.

I'm sure there's more. I'm not interested in winning a popularity contest. I do appreciate respect though for what I've achieved alone as a 1 man operation.

I like to believe I've had an overall positive impact on the industry. I feel I've helped raise the level of quality. I can remembered where the industry was at when I started in 1990 and we've come along way since.

Pro-Scapes
06-28-2007, 11:58 PM
dont forget all the wisdom you share with us on whats worked and what hasnt. Sometimes some of us just need a kick in the butt like on the design fee. I am looking forward to joining and dont know why I have not yet. Just one of thoes things on my to do list. All this stuff gets overwhelming fast.

Chris J
06-29-2007, 12:01 AM
I guess we could move it if everyone is willing to pay about 3x as much. We'll let Chris pick up the tab. How about Hawaii?

What's the difference in a plane ticket to Florida or Arizona or New York? If the membership is made up of people from all around the country, then what's the big deal? Seems to me that the whole thing is geard toward someone or some group in or near Arizona? I pay the same as all other members. Why should I have to travel across the United States every year to attend the convention? You want to have it in Hawaii? Great! I would at least consider that fair to everyone envolved, and it would be a great family trip as well.

Eden Lights
06-29-2007, 12:01 AM
I've never been against them. I told my story of what happened when I belonged because I was asked.

I just love the search feature, I don't know how I always miss the good stuff? Thanks

High Performance Lighting
06-29-2007, 12:15 AM
I guess we could move it if everyone is willing to pay about 3x as much. We'll let Chris pick up the tab. How about Hawaii?

This is the same tired excuse I heard when I recommended las vegas when I belonged. Too expensive. For who? Meanwhile Las Vegas is the number 1 destination for association conferences in the country. When your association is telling you that a meeting place is too expensive for their membership than what does that tell you. That it's filled with unsuccesful members who can't afford a quality experience?

I'll be in vegas for the lightfair show next spring. Let's get a group and hold the first annual lawnsite landscape lighting conference. Open to Design / builders only.

Chris J
06-29-2007, 12:31 AM
I'm feeling this stuff! How about we rent the entire top floor of one of the major resort/casinos? We could have a really nice time, and we could all call it our annual "minutes meeting" for business purposess.
I'm in for a few grand....any other takers?

Eden Lights
06-29-2007, 12:31 AM
This is the same tired excuse I heard when I recommended las vegas when I belonged. Too expensive. For who? Meanwhile Las Vegas is the number 1 destination for association conferences in the country. When your association is telling you that a meeting place is too expensive for their membership than what does that tell you. That it's filled with unsuccesful members who can't afford a quality experience?

I'll be in vegas for the lightfair show next spring. Let's get a group and hold the first annual lawnsite landscape lighting conference. Open to Design / builders only.

My crew and I will be in Vegas. HPL have you already got your booth space? I can help you set up before the show. HAHA!!!

Pro-Scapes
06-29-2007, 12:40 AM
My crew and I will be in Vegas. HPL have you already got your booth space? I can help you set up before the show. HAHA!!!

after living in vegas for 7 years im always eager to go back. Im there send me some dates. happy hour on me

High Performance Lighting
06-29-2007, 12:51 AM
My crew and I will be in Vegas. HPL have you already got your booth space? I can help you set up before the show. HAHA!!!

No booth for me eddie, I'm there to steal ideas for future fixtures just like everyone else.

High Performance Lighting
06-29-2007, 12:53 AM
after living in vegas for 7 years im always eager to go back. Im there send me some dates. happy hour on me

Mandalay Bay, Bellagio, Mirage or Wynn. take your pick.

Eden Lights
06-29-2007, 12:57 AM
No booth for me eddie, I'm there to steal ideas for future fixtures just like everyone else.

I was just having some fun poking at you a little from afar since in the past I had made reference to you selling your fixtures or designs to make it all worth while.

High Performance Lighting
06-29-2007, 01:15 AM
I was just having some fun poking at you a little from afar since in the past I had made reference to you selling your fixtures or designs to make it all worth while.

No problem eddie you are the goods. Did you see my tribute to you

http://www.lawnsite.com/showthread.php?t=192062

Eden Lights
06-29-2007, 01:29 AM
Wow!!!!!!!There is so much love going on around here tonight. I had missed the tribute buried in that thread. Thanks, you went way over the top with your comments, but that doesn't surprise me even a little. Thanks again. I look forward to many disagreements and agreements that I can learn from.

David Gretzmier
06-29-2007, 05:19 AM
I did vegas for a Christmas light convention a few years back. Whoever thought Vegas in July was a good idea ought to have their head examined. On the strip I saw a temp gauge read 109 degrees, and the bus driver said, oh yeah, last week it was hot, 113 degrees...and this is no exaggeration. dry heat ? more like dry lava...

Now memories of hawaii in February 2006, high of 81 degrees, low of 65, THAT is a convention I can appreciate. Florida in February, Orlando or more south, works for me as well.

If it has to be in summer, How about ( uhboot? ) Canada? at least In Niagara Falls the high in July is only 83 or so. :canadaflag:

High Performance Lighting
06-29-2007, 08:15 AM
I did vegas for a Christmas light convention a few years back. Whoever thought Vegas in July was a good idea ought to have their head examined. On the strip I saw a temp gauge read 109 degrees, and the bus driver said, oh yeah, last week it was hot, 113 degrees...and this is no exaggeration. dry heat ? more like dry lava...

Now memories of hawaii in February 2006, high of 81 degrees, low of 65, THAT is a convention I can appreciate. Florida in February, Orlando or more south, works for me as well.

If it has to be in summer, How about ( uhboot? ) Canada? at least In Niagara Falls the high in July is only 83 or so. :canadaflag:

aolp shindig is in January

NightScenes
06-29-2007, 08:36 AM
Remember, it's not just the cost to the membership but the cost to the association. The association CAN NOT loose money on a conference. To ship all of the items needed for certification and materials for the conference is staggering. The you have the fees for conference rooms, hotel rooms, catering, speakers, equipment, etc. It just does not make sense to move the conference at this time. Maybe when we get the membership up, then we can look at moving it. One thing we can't do is go broke just so a few people can make it a vacation. This is supposed to be a learning opportunity anyway.

I guess I just take this stuff a little to seriously. Then again, maybe that's why I was elected to the board.

Pro-Scapes
06-30-2007, 09:38 AM
I did vegas for a Christmas light convention a few years back. Whoever thought Vegas in July was a good idea ought to have their head examined. On the strip I saw a temp gauge read 109 degrees, and the bus driver said, oh yeah, last week it was hot, 113 degrees...and this is no exaggeration. dry heat ? more like dry lava...

Now memories of hawaii in February 2006, high of 81 degrees, low of 65, THAT is a convention I can appreciate. Florida in February, Orlando or more south, works for me as well.

If it has to be in summer, How about ( uhboot? ) Canada? at least In Niagara Falls the high in July is only 83 or so. :canadaflag:

I miss my 113 and dry over this 90's and humid as a jungle. Yes its hot in vegas. I spent 7 years on telephone poles there helping to inpliment thier broadband system. I would really take that heat over this. Least you stay dry there and dont have to carry 5 shirts a day with you like you do here.

AZ aint bad in jan or feb. Personally I would like to see it move around some. Vegas is only a few hours from Scottsdale anyways. Im sure you could get a small convention center someplace. I do understand that its a hassel for someone to move all the test gear and all tho too.

David Gretzmier
06-30-2007, 11:15 AM
I'm not asking to move it this year, but if you have to ship stuff, it costs about the same for UPS to take it 200 miles verses 800. I'm flooded with takedowns for Christmas lights in January anyway.

February is the best month- lawncare is done or very slow, Christmas lights are done by the 14th, and it is a cold, yucky blah month anyway. arizona sounds ok, but in '09 maybe Orlando, southern California, New Orleans, etc. If you have to travel, make it a place you want to spend an extra day or two.

Pro-Scapes
06-30-2007, 01:13 PM
while im all for moving it I think AZ is a great place to visit. If you had a few extra days a drive thru sedona is well worthy of your time. They also got that big hole there too dont they