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puppypaws
07-08-2007, 10:39 PM
How long have Vanguard big block engines been on zero turn mowers. What size do you have, how is it running and holding up?

MOW PRO LAWN SERVICE
07-08-2007, 10:50 PM
They are top i never have had one bigger than a 18 horse.

Uranus
07-08-2007, 10:56 PM
Mines still a baby. only 145 hours on it. runs good, no problems 31 hp

Ramairfreak98ss
07-08-2007, 11:50 PM
i plan to get one next spring, probably the 32hp air cooled one on the Ferris 3100z, ive heard good stuff about them, id assume theyre a top notch engine such as the high end Kawasakis, Kohler command Pros and so forth.

why does everyone seem like theyre a "junk" engine? my parents 89 Simplicity garden tractor had a 16hp v-twin non vangaurd on it and it finally stared to have carb problems around 1100~ hrs, mainly from non use now.

puppypaws
07-09-2007, 12:00 AM
i plan to get one next spring, probably the 32hp air cooled one on the Ferris 3100z, ive heard good stuff about them, id assume theyre a top notch engine such as the high end Kawasakis, Kohler command Pros and so forth.

why does everyone seem like theyre a "junk" engine? my parents 89 Simplicity garden tractor had a 16hp v-twin non vangaurd on it and it finally stared to have carb problems around 1100~ hrs, mainly from non use now.The 32 hp sitting out here on the Bad Boy Lightening cranks and runs like a sewing machine. The thing must have 32 Belgium draft horses inside because it is stronger than any gas engine I have ever seen on a mower. I wanted some feedback from people, it is no junk I'll promise you that.

Gruneich Lawn Care, Inc.
07-09-2007, 12:19 AM
I have a 35hp big block on my new lazer, I have yet to get the mower to bog down. I have only 140 hours on mine, I will let you know as I get more hours on it....

puppypaws
07-09-2007, 12:26 AM
I have a 35hp big block on my new lazer, I have yet to get the mower to bog down. I have only 140 hours on mine, I will let you know as I get more hours on it....

I don't think there is a lot of difference in the 35 and 32 according to specs. This 32 really likes gas, how is your 35?

Audrey
07-09-2007, 12:32 AM
[QUOTE=Gruneich Lawn Care, Inc.;1890334]I have a 35hp big block on my new lazer, I have yet to get the mower to bog down. QUOTE]

Ditto! Well, almost. I have a Scag.

It also does a nicer job on small animals.
Anyone for puree'd cat?

:laugh:

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nickslawn
07-09-2007, 09:52 AM
I have a Vanguard with 350 hours on it and its going strong. btw its a 16.5hp motor.

ffemt1271
07-09-2007, 10:37 AM
i have a 31 hp with 300 + hours, runs great and no problems.

bohiaa
07-09-2007, 02:14 PM
I must admit this is a surprising post,

as we know Briggs and Stratton never were a high end engine builder.

thank for the post....

puppypaws
07-09-2007, 02:56 PM
I must admit this is a surprising post,

as we know Briggs and Stratton never were a high end engine builder.

thank for the post....

Daihatsu builds the Vanguard in Japan at their diesel facility, that is probably why it is a better engine.

petekief
07-09-2007, 03:20 PM
i have one on a cub cadet commercial walk behind - 16HP recoil start - starts second pull everytime or i'm looking for whats not set right - had it since 94' - use it on almost every site for something - i don't know about the new ones but they were top notch in 94' -

i love grass
07-09-2007, 04:32 PM
i have a 20 horse vangaurd 150 hours runs great

tacoma200
07-09-2007, 05:15 PM
31 hp Briggs running flawless on the Turf Tiger. The power is unbelievable compared to my 27 Kohler and a 29 Kaw I tested. Very smooth and tons of torque.

puppypaws
07-09-2007, 05:29 PM
31 hp Briggs running flawless on the Turf Tiger. The power is unbelievable compared to my 27 Kohler and a 29 Kaw I tested. Very smooth and tons of torque.

I am confused about the hp numbers on the Vanguard's, you have a 31 hp and there is a 32 hp on this Bad Boy sitting in my garage then you have a 35 hp, which the specs show more torque from the 32 than the 35.

I really don't understand this reasoning, do you?

tacoma200
07-09-2007, 06:00 PM
I guess the 31 was the earliest Briggs big block. It is a tried and true engine but I'm not sure how it compares to the 32 and 35. It's all the power I need, like I said it makes the 27 kohler seem weak.

Gruneich Lawn Care, Inc.
07-09-2007, 06:28 PM
I don't think there is a lot of difference in the 35 and 32 according to specs. This 32 really likes gas, how is your 35?

I have never tried a 32hp Briggs before so I wouldnt know, but I do have a couple 28EFI Kohlers that I have been tracking the fuel consumption against. Power wise there isnt a comparison, Briggs hands down, I dont want to post fuel consumption though.... Not enough hours and nobody would probally belivie me anyway...:laugh:

puppypaws
07-09-2007, 06:47 PM
I have never tried a 32hp Briggs before so I wouldnt know, but I do have a couple 28EFI Kohlers that I have been tracking the fuel consumption against. Power wise there isnt a comparison, Briggs hands down, I dont want to post fuel consumption though.... Not enough hours and nobody would probally belivie me anyway...:laugh:

I am afraid I might believe you, this 32 enjoys guzzling. I am use to mowing a lot of grass with the tanks full on the 28 efi but I can't get nearly as much with the 32. I do like the feel of that power under me all the time.

I checked my 28 efi at .93 gallons per hr. in light mowing conditions.

puppypaws
07-09-2007, 06:52 PM
I guess the 31 was the earliest Briggs big block. It is a tried and true engine but I'm not sure how it compares to the 32 and 35. It's all the power I need, like I said it makes the 27 kohler seem weak.

If you had the 32 Vanguard and 27 Kohler on the exact mower and hooked them together I believe the 32 would drag it backwards.

MOW PRO LAWN SERVICE
07-09-2007, 07:01 PM
It would spit it out.

tacoma200
07-09-2007, 07:22 PM
If you had the 32 Vanguard and 27 Kohler on the exact mower and hooked them together I believe the 32 would drag it backwards.

No doubt. They say there's no replacement for displacement!!!!!!

MOW PRO LAWN SERVICE
07-09-2007, 07:51 PM
I run a 18 horse and it will bog in very high grass,i really abuse the mower but it picks back up fast they will use a little oil very little.

J&R Landscaping
07-09-2007, 08:09 PM
I have a 16hp on a wb mower. Its got over 2800 hours on it. Its starting to use a little oil and run a bit rough but it starts on the first pull and has good power. I would buy another one without thinking twice!!

mslawn
07-09-2007, 08:39 PM
Had 31 blow at 790 hrs on a 72, briggs warrantied, no problem. Have another on a 66 with 650 hrs-no problem, except sometime you have to jump the starter with a screwdriver.

LeviEdge
07-09-2007, 09:18 PM
I've got a 23 on my Exmark and it's barely broke in. The power is good and I'm glad to hear that they hold up. I wasn't sure about the quality of the Vanguard when I bought it so I'm feeling alot better about it now.

rob1325
07-09-2007, 09:38 PM
Have 35 HP Liquid cooled on Scag Tiger with 890 hrs. So far One head cracked at around 775 hrs. It was replaced under warranty. Also, went in twice for carb acting up, over reving under no load, which dealer fixed under warranty. Nice engine, starts nice, even in very cold days, and as you know very powerful. Though it does go through gas as everyone else stated already.

r.eckley
07-09-2007, 10:34 PM
I have a 15.5 Vanguard on my cemetary trim mower , untold hours ,runs great. 31 on 60 LAZER,35 ON 72 XS, very happy with all. 125hr on 60 . 400hr on 35.
Bigblocks do like gas tho. About 1.8 gph on 35 mowing pretty heavy grass. Never checked 31. Gas just went to 3.15 today from 2.88 naturally everything is empty!

Gruneich Lawn Care, Inc.
07-09-2007, 11:06 PM
I am afraid I might believe you, this 32 enjoys guzzling. I am use to mowing a lot of grass with the tanks full on the 28 efi but I can't get nearly as much with the 32. I do like the feel of that power under me all the time.

I checked my 28 efi at .93 gallons per hr. in light mowing conditions.


Im seeing just a hair under 1 gallon per hour out of my 28EFI, and so far my 35 has been about 1.2 gallons per hour under the same conditions, anytime it gets heavy, it goes up, but not sure how much, havent ran it super hard for a whole day...

Envy Lawn Service
07-09-2007, 11:15 PM
My Kawi's are burning more than 1.2 right now.

If the 35 does that well nobody can complain.

JoshC
07-09-2007, 11:16 PM
Both Vanguards on my Ferris mowers are holding up really well. The 32HP that is on my 3100 is a monster. I have yet to bog it down. I have mowed stuff up to 18" while running doubles (only on one occassion) and the engine just powered through it all. The engine on the 4000 seems a little bit more sluggish, but it is also handling a 72" deck rather than the 61".

fool32696
07-09-2007, 11:32 PM
I'm just starting to have problems with my 20hp Vanguard on my Gravely 250z. It has 1400hrs and has started leaking oil and smoking. I just cleaned the carb tonight, we'll see if it helps tomorrow. I may just pick up another on ebay.

puppypaws
07-10-2007, 07:52 AM
No doubt. They say there's no replacement for displacement!!!!!!

Well I made it grunt right before dark, we just had a small shower of rain and everything was wet. I said to myself I'm going to find out if it will stall, I was cutting 24" tall wet signal grass and piled it up against the next through. I went right on without slowing nearly as much as I had been and she got the deck full and killed down to almost nothing but it did not stall. The 28 efi would not have gotten started good and it would have killed the motor completely. That is one strong motor and a very big discharge opening on the BB deck also but the mower was against such big grass it had no where to blow it out so the deck got full.

Imow4u2
07-10-2007, 04:54 PM
It sounds to me for your type of cutting the BB may be the mower to go with.. For another 2K more than you paid for your Super you could have the Perkins 4 banger diesel on a BB.. I Demoed one and was impressed on the rough stuff.. On a better manicured account the QOC was'nt there, I also had minimal legroom.. I think they move the seat forward some with the diesel, same way Grasshopper does... I do think 35 diesel horses and 72" cut for under 13K is a deal...

puppypaws
07-10-2007, 05:25 PM
It sounds to me for your type of cutting the BB may be the mower to go with.. For another 2K more than you paid for your Super you could have the Perkins 4 banger diesel on a BB.. I Demoed one and was impressed on the rough stuff.. On a better manicured account the QOC was'nt there, I also had minimal legroom.. I think they move the seat forward some with the diesel, same way Grasshopper does... I do think 35 diesel horses and 72" cut for under 13K is a deal...

If the 72" deck is the same as the 60" (I'm sure it is) the 32 Vanguard will handle the deck without any effort. I don't see needing a diesel with the power that engine has and we are talking $8695.00 versus $13000.00 and the Vanguard will handle the grass as good as the diesel. I could mow a pasture with this one, it amazes me to see what it can do.

The Super Z still cuts cleaner, rides better and is a very clean low profile design with easy maintenance but I would not say $2000.00 better. The Super Z definitely needs more power after running this 32 Vanguard. If the Super Z power felt the same as the Bad Boy power it would be as perfect as a zero turn mower could be in my mowing conditions. I think about a 36 or 38 efi would be the ticket on a Super Z, then you could just hold on.

I really like the way the 32 Vanguard cranks and runs but I still prefer the efi because of no choke and better fuel economy, mine has been flawless. The 32 Vanguard with efi would really be something else.

Dave Carney
07-10-2007, 06:42 PM
If the Super Z power felt the same as the Bad Boy power it would be as perfect as a zero turn mower could be in my mowing conditions. I think about a 36 or 38 efi would be the ticket on a Super Z, then you could just hold on.

That's exactly what I want! A just hold on, balls to the wall, throw the sticks forward and eat everthing in sight machine. Hustler moves so slow though i don't think i can wait for them to step up with the bigger engines.

TCossuto
07-14-2007, 01:40 PM
No doubt. They say there's no replacement for displacement!!!!!!

A turbo. Not that I've seen any mowers with one.

I've got a smaller 15hp Vanguard on my WB and it's great. Extremely strong and has hundreds (probably 500) of hours on it.

tacoma200
07-14-2007, 09:18 PM
A turbo. Not that I've seen any mowers with one.

I've got a smaller 15hp Vanguard on my WB and it's great. Extremely strong and has hundreds (probably 500) of hours on it.

I think Scag put a turbo on the Sabre Tooth Tiger diesel. Not sure if they are still in production since they went to the 25 hp Kubota.

nick858
07-14-2007, 10:28 PM
That's exactly what I want! A just hold on, balls to the wall, throw the sticks forward and eat everthing in sight machine. Hustler moves so slow though i don't think i can wait for them to step up with the bigger engines.

You arent kidding. I Love my Super Zs, I got the 28 efi on the new one. But Hustler seems behind the crowd on engines. There is currently no diesel available, and unless Im mistaken the 30koh is as big as it gets for Hustler.