I win.....

[SprinklerGuy]

This system has been in place for 21 years...h/o installed it.....he had a competitor out to replace the top left valve while I was on my large job and couldn't get to him...

The competitor "had a cat" (his words) when he saw the system and refused to warranty any of his work and tried to get my client to sign a waiver....

I gave him a price to install an RP and 12 valves in boxes outside...seems the old guy didn't realize what "could" happen in the event of a crack or break...

Anyway..long story short...this sort of debunks the myth that these valves break all the time....he has had 2 problems in 21 years....2.

[PurpHaze]

If a problem did occur it could just be used as a spritzer for the ironing. :)

[DanaMac]

Nice. Real nice. I would have thought real hard about working on that one considering the recent flooded basement episode I had.

One of my guys called me yesterday and asked if I had worked on the job he was servicing. He said the PVB was sideways and wasn't sure if he should work on it. I told him it had to work that way the last few years, so just get it going. It was actually for a friend of my girlfriend, so it was kind of a favor anyway. I saw one like that about 10 years ago.

[FIMCO-MEISTER]

Weird things happen in basements.

[alf51175]

Wonder how many bits it took to drill all those holes in the wall.

[irritation]

They look like AVB electric valves and should be installed 12" above the highest head. A certified tester/tech. should not even work on the system unless they are correcting it to meet code.

[Remote Pigtails]

They look like AVB electric valves and should be installed 12" above the highest head. A certified tester/tech. should not even work on the system unless they are correcting it to meet code.

I wondered about that too. Which means that they must be higher than the highest heads because all the water would drain into the basement every time the system ran and shut off.

[MarcSmith]

well if you think about it, they have been inside, not exposed to weather or the elements, I would think they'd last a long time too.

but I would not want that set up in my basement...I could almost guarantee you that if a pipe broke that any insurance company would laugh their ass off while they denied your claim...

[irritation]

I wondered about that too. Which means that they must be higher than the highest heads because all the water would drain into the basement every time the system ran and shut off.

Which means there are 12 pipes coming out of the house at least 12" above ground. That has to be a good look.;)

[irritation]

It also looks like inline check valves are installed on some of the valves, maybe to prevent drainage back into the basement.

[SprinklerGuy]

If I didn't work on systems that didn't meet code I'd go out of business....

Those are check valves....not code...but they work.

I have never worked on it....I am planning on installing it properly.....the pipes exit 2 feet below ground and way below the highest head.....

[irritation]

Indianapolis wants a test form showing a passed device by a certain date or they send a letter out threatening to shut their water off. I refuse to pass a device that is not to code.

[CAPT Stream Rotar]

::falls over::

[FIMCO-MEISTER]

I gave him a price to install an RP and 12 valves in boxes outside...seems the old guy didn't realize what "could" happen in the event of a crack or break...


Irritation he did give him a price. Pretty much all you can do. Same format I follow here. Give them a price on doing it right and appealing to their conscious.

[Wet_Boots]

If I didn't work on systems that didn't meet code I'd go out of business....It is a conundrum, isn't it? I'm always happy to work on a non-code system. As long as I'm bringing it up to code.

By the way, if there were only two valve repairs in twenty-odd years, that attests to the quality of the valve, and to the deleterious qualities of some of our air, since I never expect the poppet washer on an Richdel ASV to last ten years.

[irritation]

Irritation he did give him a price. Pretty much all you can do. Same format I follow here. Give them a price on doing it right and appealing to their conscious.

I'm not putting anyone down on this, I just don't blame the guy that wanted them to sign a waiver.

[irritation]

It is a conundrum, isn't it? I'm always happy to work on a non-code system. As long as I'm bringing it up to code.

By the way, if there were only two valve repairs in twenty-odd years, that attests to the quality of the valve, and to the deleterious qualities of some of our air, since I never expect the poppet washer on an Richdel ASV to last ten years.

I guess those poppet seals never had much action with check valves in place.

[Wet_Boots]

I guess those poppet seals never had much action with check valves in place.I was thinking more about ozone pollution, or whatever it is that makes the washers brittle.

I'm not putting anyone down on this, I just don't blame the guy that wanted them to sign a waiver.Depending on location, a waiver might be pointless. Some states have laws that automatically nullify any 'hold-harmless' agreement between homeowners and contractors.