View Full Version : Recent Patio Job

PerfiCut L&L
07-24-2007, 10:06 PM
Heres some photos of a recent job we finished. As usual, criticism is welcomed (but be gentle) :dancing:


Couldnt get the pic to post so here the link to where its at.



07-24-2007, 10:08 PM
We need better pictures!!

07-24-2007, 10:32 PM
very nice,but where are the pictures of the new job?.:laugh:

07-24-2007, 10:33 PM
Nice!!! This wasn't done on the Gunpowder River was it?

07-24-2007, 10:35 PM

07-24-2007, 11:07 PM
How come walls are used so much more with manufactured products vs stone? Curious.

btw, nice work.

07-24-2007, 11:13 PM
How come walls are used so much more with manufactured products vs stone? Curious.

btw, nice work.

because it takes some skill to make a natural stone wall look good any one can slap up a manufactured wall

07-24-2007, 11:57 PM
because it takes some skill to make a natural stone wall look good any one can slap up a manufactured wall

haha yeah that may be it.......I just notice a lot more walls with manufactured materials vs masonry. A problem I have with it is that it can easily become over done and over bearing........just pour concrete at that point. Sorry, didn't meant to get off topic.

PerfiCut L&L
07-25-2007, 09:45 AM
I have a bunch of photos, but have to down size them. I'll try to get those up tonight.

PerfiCut L&L
07-26-2007, 10:43 AM
Computer rendered design. The design was changed slightly from this original layout, but here it is none the less.

A slight elevation change from left to right with a moderate change from front to back. In order to prevent from having to rebuild a flight of steps to match a level patio, we designed the patio into two main levels to accomodate the deck steps. Worked out quite well.

Not sure where the photos are of the initial dig. But here is what I was able to find. The pipe sticking out of the patio is a natural gas line we subcontracted to have installed for the grill. The other is a grade stake. Removed after pavers were installed.


Working on the steps and finishing the caps for the upper and lower walls.

Quality assurance inspector.

Apparently he found something of interest.

More of the same. Working on the steps

Installation of the upper level wall.

Wide look at project. The crews are finishing the steps, and beginning the prep work on the wall/walkway to the right which leads to the basement steps.

Things are starting to come together.

Work continues on the upper level, while tamping and finishing touches take place on the lower level.

QA at it again.

More of the same.

Installation begins of the natural gas grill. It was much easier to do this way then try and man handle this thing. The nice part was once we got it on the patio we found it had wheels so we were abel to roll it into place.

More of the same


The walkway comes from the side of the garage, through the gate and into the patio. An additional walkway was to be added on the nearest corner leading to the right 15' to the side garage door entrance. Owner opted not to install this portion since they wanted to keep this section of lawn for the dog.

Gas guy, doing his thing. (QA officer noticed the upper wall was to be raised in order to hide the backside of the grill. This was an oversight on the foremans behalf, so necessary steps were taken to make the correction. The initial design called for a table top type grill to be placed on a surround wall. However, the customer liked this grill better, so the design was changed once this grill arrived.

Sod install begins
More complete pics

More of the same

more of the same.

I particularly liked the lamps the customer picked out. In addition to what you dont see, we had our deck guy come in and install white lattice all around the deck to hide the underside. We also installed a nice color pocono river rick behind the patio wall just in front of the lattice. 3 Tons worth. Adds a nice no maintenance touch.

07-26-2007, 11:51 AM
Looks like Compass Pointe area.

07-26-2007, 06:26 PM
Where do you get all the mexicans?

steve in Pa.
07-27-2007, 12:00 AM
whats your reasoning for compacting setting sand? never seen that done before. finish product looks good

07-27-2007, 12:17 AM
Thats a nice sized job!. How long did it take?
My only suggestion would be to better randomize the 3" & 6" Coventry Wall. Other than that, break out the burgers!.

07-27-2007, 12:18 AM
Thats a nice sized job!. How long did it take?
My only suggestion would be to better randomize the 3" & 6" Coventry Wall. Other than that, break out the burgers!.

07-27-2007, 12:23 AM
yes, why is the sand being compacted?

07-27-2007, 12:42 AM
It might be bank run as a fill material... Looks pretty orange.

07-27-2007, 12:43 AM
It might be bank run as a fill material... Looks pretty orange.

PerfiCut L&L
07-27-2007, 08:07 AM
This project took about two weeks. The first 4 days should have been complete in one day. We had problems in material delivery management. As well as the gas hookup. Excavation was completed in the first two day, but it took me two more days to get the gas guy out. My first plumber bailed on me with no warning.

We do not compact sand. What I think your seeing is residual sand. We use a coarse concrete sand as our leveling agent, and it does have an orange/redish color.

PS: Their quatemalans, work much harder than mexicans.

07-28-2007, 06:09 PM
Just wondering. What's the approximate price you're getting for a job that size?

07-28-2007, 06:58 PM
WOW! That's a beautiful piece of work. I think stone work is the most gratifying work that one can do

(I know I enjoy it). Congrats and good luck with future projects. :weightlifter:

PerfiCut L&L
07-30-2007, 10:35 AM
Thank you.

We had a great time working on this project since it required a fair amount of designing and adjustments. It's nice to be tasked every once in a while making you think for a change.

wurkn with amish
07-30-2007, 07:55 PM
There's a couple problems I saw but other than that it looks awsome.
1. where the wall makes a 120degree bend by the deck, your joint on the wall line up. That'll be a weak point.
2. picture of the step(one of the last ones) it looks like you have acouple dips in it.(could just be the pic though)
nice job again.

07-30-2007, 11:36 PM
bound for failure,you're base is 1 inch off.

PerfiCut L&L
07-30-2007, 11:38 PM
We installed geogrid on the back kneehigh wall between the two sets of steps to help give it some additional support. We filled this area about 2/3rd full up topsoil, then topped it off with 1-3" pocono river rock. Also installed drainage pipes to help with water runoff.

The pavers on the steps were removed and relaid because we were losing sand from one of the sides where it attaches to the patio wall. We sealed that and then relaid the pavers. I'm not sure if the pic posted is before or after this. In any event, the final step is level. But thanks for noticing.

07-30-2007, 11:40 PM
Just wondering. What's the approximate price you're getting for a job that size?

i also am wondering what the tag was? id say about 20g' total

07-30-2007, 11:56 PM
What was the bid for this project? Total Man hours/number of men? Equipment? The project looks great! Thanks! -Mitch-

07-31-2007, 12:38 AM
The Hardscape Job looks great. I just don't like that one downspout leader running across the back of the house, over the basement window and over the retaining wall. It should have been buried underground. I notice that way more than any craftsmanship issues with the block work. Utility work should always be first!!

PerfiCut L&L
08-01-2007, 06:24 AM
I agree Champion, the downspout should have been routed under the patio. I believe this was an oversight during the construction phase.

The original quote for the project was approximately 22k. With the two change orders the final project cost was just under 30k. Approximately, 350 labor hours, 40 of that was lost in the first 2-3 days with the issues I had getting the plumber out, and the delivery of materials.

08-01-2007, 07:38 AM
That is a very modest price I must say...

08-01-2007, 08:11 AM
How do you like that compactor? It looks like the one northern tool sells. A friend was talking about getting one but is having a hard time commiting to an off brand.

Nice job btw.

PerfiCut L&L
08-07-2007, 10:17 AM
The compactor is great for large lifts but not practical for compacting pavers or tight areas.

It does have reverse which is a huge bonus, but like I said, using it to compact the pavers your sure to break a few. Not to mention its a beast at over 300#. Our main focus for getting it was the force, and larger lift capacities.

Someone broke into our storage lot this spring and stole most of our equipment, so we had a lot of up front costs we had to front this season. To do so, we wanted to maximize our money even if it meant going off brand. Seems to be worth it here, if you need something this big of course.

08-10-2007, 04:42 PM
You do nice work. One word on advice. Get your employees to where safety glasses, ear protection, respirators and gloves. Safety goes a long way. Your insurance company carrier will appove.