View Full Version : what one first

07-29-2007, 11:59 PM
i have all ready read all the posts about this subject on lawnsite and tractors by net and just wanted to run this question by to see if any of you could bring up points i have over looked. i need to by a machine yet i am stuck between the 110 tlb john deere (used but low hours about 300hrs) and a 95xt case (high hours 3500hrs) and a case 50 series excavator (low hours 500hrs) eventually i will be buying all three machines but im not sure what one first. i have it narrowed to the deere and the 95xt. so far the deere is looking good because it can do the work of the skid and the excavator and with turf tires on it i can run on existing lawns (i do alot of that kind of work) and not tear them to death wear and the skid will. i know the best would be a skid and a exc., that would allow me to get the most work done the fastest but i can only afford one machine currently. i really need a ctl so i dont want to buy a 95xt only to sell it later, im thinking the deere could pay its self off and the i could buy a newer 332ctl or such . let me know what you think any input will help

07-30-2007, 12:22 AM
It really depends on the kind of work your doing. If you need to move a lot of material and handle heavy loads the 95XT would be the choice. If not the TLB maybe better. It really depends on the application and the type of work you do. ALso 3500 hours is not that bad on 95XT as long as it was not abused. I have seen many with 10K on them. Not a big deal, the machine is way over built.

07-30-2007, 12:47 AM
Completely depends on the kind of work you're doing. If you're doing a lot of "earthmoving" and very little finesse work, the 95XT will be first. I find those TLB's to be suited only to one man shows where one guy can do the job of 2 machines. The TLB will not be nearly as efficient when using the backhoe vs. an excavator and the same goes for the loader end of the machine vs. a skid steer, but it's one machine to the job instead of 2 and one operator instead of 2. For production work, a skid/excavator combo will bury a TLB given you have 2 operators.

RockSet N' Grade
07-30-2007, 10:06 PM
Once again it depends upon the jobs that you have lined up. I started out with an excavator and grading tractor and begrudgingly broke down and finally bought a skid........glad I did. If I had only one machine to choose, I would get an excavator first and then complement it later with a skid. You can get a large grading blade made for the excavator to do grading work, and a couple laborers working hard can move alot of material. An excavator can lead you into alot of jobs........sheesh, either one is better than nothing at all. It really depends on what you are doing now and what is on the calendar coming up....

07-30-2007, 10:28 PM
Well, like others have said it really depends on your situation. Personally I would get the excavator or skid steer and skip the TLB all together. There is nothing wrong with a TLB. They have made allot of money for people over the years but I guess I feel if I was going to get a TLB I would go for the bigger version. This one to me looks great for a small nursery are just a small weekend farmer. I mean they look buit but to me one of the other machines is way more efficient in my opinion

07-30-2007, 10:34 PM
thanks for all the impute!! i guess there is no right answer and the problem i have is a little bit of everything is lined up like brush hogging, finish grading, excavating for a retaining wall, setting some stone steps, ground prep for hydroseed, setting a limestone retaining wall, digging rock out of hedgerow, planting a bunch of trees, digging a hole for a little pos pond you get the idea one machine cant do all of this so im just trying to look at my current jobs and the ones from the past and evaluate what machine would have made them easier

RockSet N' Grade
07-31-2007, 07:34 PM
brian....excavate for retaining wall, settin step, setting wall, digging rock out of hedge row, planting trees, digging for pond........that to me is excavator. Brush hogging if you have alot of that work could also demand an excavator. Finish grading could be roughed in with an excavator and hand raked out. We do drive way, patio and most other small to medium sized grading like that with our excavator. An excavator with blade and thumb (progressive link preferred) is a very versatile piece of equipment.

07-31-2007, 08:03 PM
yes i have been talking to alot of people and really going back and thinking about every little task on all my prior jobs and i think a excavator seems to be the one. ive just had it in my head for the last three years that a skid was what i needed first. i know what you mean about a thumb i wont own one with out, my dads got a pc200 komatsu with a nye 4' wide thumb and a 8' wide tilting ditch bucket. im thinking a 12,000 pound exc. would be the optimum size for my needs

RockSet N' Grade
07-31-2007, 08:29 PM
That tilting bucket sounds awesome........I ran across a buddy this last week and he modified one of his buckets by adding a 5' grading blade with end caps and he grades with that.........his tilts. I watched for awhile and it has got me to thinking about making something up like that. None of my buckets tilt and I think that tilting ability would be a real handy addition. I have a 36" toothed bucket and a 36" bucket on which I welded a straight edge on for grading and softer soils and that has worked well for me......BUT, I keep looking for that proverbial "better mouse trap".

07-31-2007, 09:16 PM
they are nice but the problem with nye is that when we drop the bucket to put on the 48'' trencher the tilt stays with the dithcher, its ok most of the time but alot of times you find your self pushing on the bottons thinking "why the h#ll is this thing not working"

07-31-2007, 11:27 PM
You could get you an old ferguson TO-20 or Ford 8-n to do the mowing. they can be had now Im guessing around $3,000.00 They are old and not the best tractor in the world but they beat doing it by hand and it dont tale much money to buy one.

07-31-2007, 11:40 PM
no thanks on the 8n i no longer buy old pos it costs too much to keep em running im thinking for the few mowing jobs i have i will just rent a 110 tlb by the day

08-01-2007, 04:57 AM
It's been my experience that older tractors have fewer problems than the new ones. We have a Kubota L3410 that has had an engine rebuilt once and I think it's chewed up some valves, it's currently not running again. What a pile of junk. All the maintenance has been done correctly, it's not a question of this motor seeing neglect, but I'm convinced this will be the last Kubota we buy.

A Ford 8N or an older Ferguson would be a cheap and reliable option for occasional mowing.

08-01-2007, 11:04 AM
no thanks on the 8n i no longer buy old pos it costs too much to keep em running im thinking for the few mowing jobs i have i will just rent a 110 tlb by the day

Usually I have found old tractors to be less trouble as well. Everything just seems more durable.

Dirt Digger2
08-01-2007, 05:57 PM
i just sold my 8N last night...smoking pile of junk...but why dont you just not buy any of the 3 and put that collective money into buying a nice full sized backhoe?

08-02-2007, 01:35 PM
Looks like the 12k ex and a good used diesel tractor would fill the bill for your needs.

I'm not an 8n fan, but have seen several 2wd diesel tractors recently for under $1500. Fall is a good time to be shopping. Our local city marina has a Ford diesel tractor w/ loader on surplus auction w/ 300hrs for $950 min bid. most folks are not keen on Ford Tractors, I'd probably get a MF 35. I'm always amazed at the dependability of my '52 Farmall cub with flail mower. (and about 10 other attachments) I use it a couple times / year, and it is rock solid dependable. It runs a long time on very little fuel (of course it is pretty whimpy HP wise, but better than using a weedeater !

I have a set of hyd on my 3pt tractor top and left link. It really makes inclined grading and mowing EZ + it speeds the hitch-up time. A brush fork on front is a bonus instead of a bucket. (for most of my work.) A box scraper works fine for material moving in most cases. (If I don't want to drag in my skid or ex)

08-02-2007, 06:46 PM
I have had good luck with used tractors. You would be best getting a diesel but they will cost you more. If I had to do over I would have never bought a new one. To find one in pretty good shape your probably going to spend at least $6,000.00 and you will have to look for a while to find one at that price. Usually the rule of thumb the bigger they are the cheaper priced they are. Your going to find a big horsepower tractor for less than a little tractor. Everyone wants the small ones and not everyone can make use of the big ones. I never was an 8N fan myself. We started out with a 2n Ford, then a TO-20 and then moved up to what I call real tractors with Diesel power.

08-02-2007, 06:47 PM
Im talking about older big tractors being cheap priced.