why is it

[CLARK LAWN]

Why is it that more LCO's than any other business choose to ignore the law? What I am talking about is that Ohio law states that if a truck is used for commercial purposes you must run a commercial license plate. I would say that about half of the ones i see on the road run a non comm plate.I have read on here posts by people that cliam to be 100% legit in on post then the next day they say they dont have commercial plates.I know people in many other field and nowere is it as bad as in this one.Recently while out of town we were at a state park that has a company that mows around the lodge and the offices,well they showed up on saturday morning and start to work when we were leaving to go out for the day I noticed the truck so I take a drive by to see what they have.Truck is lettered as is the enclosed trailer and both had non comm plates. When we got back to the lodge that evening I wrote a letter to the management explaining that since there salery and existence is based on tax dollars i feel that they should verify that any company the contrat with to do work on the property should be legal.I left him my name and phone# if he wanted to dicuss this and have not heard from him yet. I am not trying to get the job as i live 125 miles away.Also this is not just some part timers doing this but I have seen companies with mutiple truck and 10-15 employees that run like this.

[schunklawn]

who cares....leave it to the police

[Sydenstricker Landscaping]

Yes they should have comm. plates on the truck at the very least. According to the BMV here in Ohio when I got the plate for my trailer, they said that I do not need a comm plate on the trailer, as long as the truck has one. Mind you I still got the commercial plate anyways, because it is the right thing to do. Probably need to research this law a little further to see what loopholes, etc there are.

[rodfather]

IMO, I think the DOT of ANY state is going to use its' manpower and resources to go after the larger size rigs (ie, 18 wheelers) for much larger fines than whether or not a local LCO has commercial plates on his truck/trailer or not.

[PerfectEarth]

Why is it that more LCO's than any other business choose to ignore the law?

I'll probably get slayed for this but it's probably because mowing grass is simple work and it's my guess that the majority of small time guys out there are just not that bright upstairs- hence, they're mowing lawns. There don't know any better and even if they did, they wouldn't care. It's unfortunate that our industry isn't more "professional" and legitimate. It's the actions of these dumb scrubs that give a bad name to the profession- and it'll probably always be that way.

[LB1234]

I see it alot in some of the more city like areas we work in. Its basically a ratty old pickup with some mowers and equipment thrown in the back, no commercial plates, no name, etc.

It used to bother me, but now I look at it like I'm not competing with these guys. If the accounts they are taking don't ask for certificates of insurance and don't care about the appearance of the trucks, whether or not employees are legit, etc., then I really don't want that/those accounts. I believe its really that simple.

[Sammy]

I bet 85 - 90 percent of all LCO are illegal in one way or another.

[topsites]

The one reason I can think of is money, it costs a LOT more to get commercial plates, one you need a CDL, two you need commercial insurance, and last but not least the plates themselves cost more, too. We're talking at least $1,000, for starters and for free.

Lco's are not the only business that breaks the rules, it happens we notice it because this is what we do, but just about every single business out there does it, at least owner-based ones (non-corporates). As for corporations such as McD's, I haven't a CLUE how they survive, then again they pay minimum wage but it still boggles the mind...

Teh way I see things you can NOT run a completely by-the-book operation and still expect to make a decent salary on top of a little profit, heck I break every little rule I can get away with and I barely squeak by financially... Yes, I fool myself into believing that I got it better than the rest, but do I, really? Now if you know how to run a 100% legitimate operation with everything exactly the way it's supposed to be, would you please mind sharing the information? I can't speak for the rest, but I could really use this, I don't like breaking the rules but I also do what I must do to survive.
It's either this or declare bankruptcy every 7-10 years, which option is it?
I suppose the bankruptcy route is legit, but to me that's just legally stealing the money, so does that make it right?
Cuz it sure don't feel right :laugh:

My vehicles are legit, but there's no commercial plates because the commonwealth doesn't require it, the insurance is on personal vehicle policy because of a loop hole and as for state inspections, my vehicles have current stickers but they're not all that...They passed the last inspection and they'll likely pass the next, but I don't carry but minimum liability auto, two of my three vehicles have expired plates (I just dont drive them when they expire), I have no business insurance because it's also not required by law in my location, look, I do what I must do, whether anyone else likes it or not, because it's my business.

who cares....leave it to the police

What I'm saying...

[CLARK LAWN]

[QUOTE=topsites;1920597]The one reason I can think of is money, it costs a LOT more to get commercial plates, one you need a CDL, two you need commercial insurance, and last but not least the plates themselves cost more, too. We're talking at least $1,000, for starters and for free.

Lco's are not the only business that breaks the rules, it happens we notice it because this is what we do, but just about every single business out there does it, at least owner-based ones (non-corporates). As for corporations such as McD's, I haven't a CLUE how they survive, then again they pay minimum wage but it still boggles the mind..

Teh way I see things you can NOT run a completely by-the-book operation and still expect to make a decent salary on top of a little profit, heck I break every little rule I can get away with and I barely squeak by financially... Yes, I fool myself into believing that I got it better than the rest, but do I, really? Now if you know how to run a 100% legitimate operation with everything exactly the way it's supposed to be, would you please mind sharing the information? I can't speak for the rest, but I could really use this, I don't like breaking the rules but I also do what I must do to survive.
It's either this or declare bankruptcy every 7-10 years, which option is it?
I suppose the bankruptcy route is legit, but to me that's just legally stealing the money, so does that make it right?
Cuz it sure don't feel right :laugh:

My vehicles are legit, but there's no commercial plates because the commonwealth doesn't require it, the insurance is on personal vehicle policy because of a loop hole and as for state inspections, my vehicles have current stickers but they're not all that...They passed the last inspection and they'll likely pass the next, but I don't carry but minimum liability auto, two of my three vehicles have expired plates (I just dont drive them when they expire), I have no business insurance because it's also not required by law in my location, look, I do what I must do, whether anyone else likes it or not, because it's my business. TOPSITES from everything ive ever read from you my belief is that you are the type thats hurts everyone else in this industry as most times you have no idea what you are talking about and you just said you would much rather conduct business like a scrub than as a real business man. If you knew anything you might make a desent living instead of just getting by.As for no business insureance thats just plain STUPID!!! Mine costs me about a grand a year,let somthing happen and see what your finances will be when you have to pay 50-100k out of pocket.



first you should get your facts staight before you spout off,just because you have comm. plates does not mean that you have to have a CDL you dont need a CDL until over 26,000k GVWR as for insurance ill bet if you really looked you will find you do need comm insurance on your truck. My wife and i got rear ended by a guy (an LCO ) running non comm plates and personal insurance, well guess what the insurance company refused to pay because the truck was not being used as it was insured to be used. this was in April of 06 and we just setteled 2 weeks ago, property damage only like $750 we had to sue the owner personally..

[Stillwater]

Why is it that more LCO's than any other business choose to ignore the law? What I am talking about is that Ohio law states that if a truck is used for commercial purposes you must run a commercial license plate. I would say that about half of the ones i see on the road run a non comm plate.I have read on here posts by people that cliam to be 100% legit in on post then the next day they say they dont have commercial plates.I know people in many other field and nowere is it as bad as in this one.Recently while out of town we were at a state park that has a company that mows around the lodge and the offices,well they showed up on saturday morning and start to work when we were leaving to go out for the day I noticed the truck so I take a drive by to see what they have.Truck is lettered as is the enclosed trailer and both had non comm plates. When we got back to the lodge that evening I wrote a letter to the management explaining that since there salery and existence is based on tax dollars i feel that they should verify that any company the contrat with to do work on the property should be legal.I left him my name and phone# if he wanted to dicuss this and have not heard from him yet. I am not trying to get the job as i live 125 miles away.Also this is not just some part timers doing this but I have seen companies with mutiple truck and 10-15 employees that run like this.


Well at the risk of sounding rude, Dude, you really need to mind your own business. How on earth is this any concern of yours? Why do you care? You are 4 years in, so don't you have more important things about your own business to worry about than what the plate status of another company is? If you keep the focus on your own affairs and out of the business of others you will be better for it. First of all the RMV is responsible for issuing plates and tags you don't dictate to the RMV what plates you get they Dictate to you what plates you will receive. Keep the focus on your own affairs, come on man you actually took the time to write a letter of complaint? Think about that for a minute, This tells me you are investing more time in other peoples business than your own. or you are Just a tattle tale, or and old lady who is nothing but a busybody. I worry more about the viscosity of my Pooh than what the plate status of a complete stranger is

[DiyDave]

Why is it that more LCO's than any other business choose to ignore the law? What I am talking about is that Ohio law states that if a truck is used for commercial purposes you must run a commercial license plate. I would say that about half of the ones i see on the road run a non comm plate.I have read on here posts by people that cliam to be 100% legit in on post then the next day they say they dont have commercial plates.I know people in many other field and nowere is it as bad as in this one.Recently while out of town we were at a state park that has a company that mows around the lodge and the offices,well they showed up on saturday morning and start to work when we were leaving to go out for the day I noticed the truck so I take a drive by to see what they have.Truck is lettered as is the enclosed trailer and both had non comm plates. When we got back to the lodge that evening I wrote a letter to the management explaining that since there salery and existence is based on tax dollars i feel that they should verify that any company the contrat with to do work on the property should be legal.I left him my name and phone# if he wanted to dicuss this and have not heard from him yet. I am not trying to get the job as i live 125 miles away.Also this is not just some part timers doing this but I have seen companies with mutiple truck and 10-15 employees that run like this.
The premise of the question is that more lawn care services run illegal than other companies. As we are in the lawncare industry, we notice other lawncare service providers and say to ourselves that that guy is running illegal. I'm sure anyone in any other profession notices illegals in their chosen field, too. Its just human nature, I guess.:hammerhead: :hammerhead:

[lawnman_scott]

first you should get your facts staight before you spout off,just because you have comm. plates does not mean that you have to have a CDL you dont need a CDL until over 26,000k GVWR as for insurance ill bet if you really looked you will find you do need comm insurance on your truck. The CDL laws vary state to state. Federal is anything over 26000, but some states have tougher laws than that. I beleive MI and IN are two of them.

[Stillwater]

Some of you guys sound like you are in total control of what plates/tags are issued to you. As if "YOU" tell the RMV what "YOU" need rather than "THEM" telling you what you need. Whats up with that?

[fiveoboy01]

Correct, but if you don't specify that the vehicle is going to be used for commercial use, then you won't have to pay extra for commercial plates.

Simple answer to the original question - because it's easy to get away with it.

[Stillwater]

Correct, but if you don't specify that the vehicle is going to be used for commercial use, then you won't have to pay extra for commercial plates.

Simple answer to the original question - because it's easy to get away with it.

Not all my trucks have commercial plates but all of them are registered in my company name.

[KTO Enterprises]

Eshskis I think you are missing the point

I completely understand why the poster is mad. The people that are on the straight and narrow are playing against a stacked deck. A weekend warrior that slides by with no business license because there is no enforcement people on the weekends is something that drives me nuts. And you can bet your boots I turn them in all the time. I dont mind competition but I expect everyone to play by the same rules that I am following.

[Stillwater]

Eshskis I think you are missing the point

I completely understand why the poster is mad. The people that are on the straight and narrow are playing against a stacked deck. A weekend warrior that slides by with no business license because there is no enforcement people on the weekends is something that drives me nuts. And you can bet your boots I turn them in all the time. I dont mind competition but I expect everyone to play by the same rules that I am following.

I do get his point and the situation sucks, But this is self employment and 1 of the drawbacks to that is you have competition. Because of that you need to apply yourself in a different way to overcome this. It is not realistic to expect equal footing in anything this is the real world hear. Life is not fair, it is cut throat and to further my point the guy complained to the lodge that the lco wasn't legit when it wasn't even his competition, he was 150 miles from his own home. Also another point I have is how can any weekend warrior be viewed as competition, a weekend guy can't steal a lot of work.
This is sales, you sell a service, and you need to be capable of selling it regardless of the situation. remember in my other post I stated that not ALL of my trucks have commercial tags. But all are registered in my company's name. I find it disturbing that this guy can travel to a different area and inject himself into another companys business 150 miles from his turf. I think it is more important to keep the focus on yourself and business rather than the competition, The competition should be ignored and all potential customers need to be told why they should hire you rather than the scrub

[Stillwater]

Their has got to be someone hear that agrees with me

[KTO Enterprises]

There are more weekend warriors that true LCOs. AND they can take alot of work. Most charge what we do, but do not have near the expenses because they are not in compliance with the law.

[DLAWNS]

eshskis, I hear what your saying. People would be better off minding their own business. If I had the time to write someone a letter to rat them out i'd sure as s*** find something more important to write about. Now if you see an LCO dumping chemical, or something harmful of that nature, thats a different story. I don't have commercial plates, my brother in law is a jersey state trooper and when I started my business when I was getting my licensing, insurance, and so on, I asked him if i needed commercial plates and he said all he knows is that he can't just pull me over for it. Now maybe he was a little unsure of the law as there are so many, but no one busts my ba*** about it. I also think its ridiculous for you to say that someone is not legit if they for instance dont have commercial tags. I am completely licensed, insured, workers comp., sales tax, etc. Let me ask you something do you pay taxes on every cash job? Because if you don't you wouldn't be legit either.

[MacLawns]

I have been in this for 5 years now, and I have tried to be legit from the beginning. Every step I take to make more money, there are two steps backwards in order to stay legit. I am starting to think I should have went the other way.
I do think that you should mind your own business. On the other hand, scrubs do make it harder on the rest of us to make a living.
I'll admit there is a lot of grey area between scrubdom and 100% legit. you either lean toward legit or you are a scrub.

[Stillwater]

eshskis, I hear what your saying. People would be better off minding their own business. If I had the time to write someone a letter to rat them out i'd sure as s*** find something more important to write about. Now if you see an LCO dumping chemical, or something harmful of that nature, thats a different story. I don't have commercial plates, my brother in law is a jersey state trooper and when I started my business when I was getting my licensing, insurance, and so on, I asked him if i needed commercial plates and he said all he knows is that he can't just pull me over for it. Now maybe he was a little unsure of the law as there are so many, but no one busts my ba*** about it. I also think its ridiculous for you to say that someone is not legit if they for instance dont have commercial tags. I am completely licensed, insured, workers comp., sales tax, etc. Let me ask you something do you pay taxes on every cash job? Because if you don't you wouldn't be legit either.

I don't accept cash.... check or money order made out to the business name.

[fiveoboy01]

Let me ask you something do you pay taxes on every cash job? Because if you don't you wouldn't be legit either.

I do...

I don't give a **** what anyone says, if you're turning in people working illegally, good for you.

Screw this "mind your own business" bullshit. I'm tired of being called a whiner because I don't like the fact that I play by the rules and others don't or won't, artificially lowering the value of my services... No, I don't go out of my way to search for illegal activity, but if the opportunity presents itself, I'll jump on it.

You can bet your ass that if I would have known who to call a couple weeks ago when I saw the guy with "best lawn care" and his phone number in crooked ass mailbox letters on ONE side of his beat-up truck's topper hauling a 10' trailer piled with bags of lesco fert and a spreader, I would have called him in right then and there.

[KTO Enterprises]

I do...

I don't give a **** what anyone says, if you're turning in people working illegally, good for you.

Screw this "mind your own business" bullshit. I'm tired of being called a whiner because I don't like the fact that I play by the rules and others don't or won't, artificially lowering the value of my services... No, I don't go out of my way to search for illegal activity, but if the opportunity presents itself, I'll jump on it.

You can bet your ass that if I would have known who to call a couple weeks ago when I saw the guy with "best lawn care" and his phone number in crooked ass mailbox letters on ONE side of his beat-up truck's topper hauling a 10' trailer piled with bags of lesco fert and a spreader, I would have called him in right then and there.

I agree with 5-0. Why should I just stand by silently and watch as rules are not enforced fairly. Thats bullshit. and let me tell you something DLAWNS, why dont I move to your area, work illegitimately, follow your trucks around, market to all your customers, steal your work with lower prices, all because I can since I wouldnt have all the overhead of a legit business. How would you like that?

[daveintoledo]

five 0 has the right line of thinking im my book

[CLARK LAWN]

My bitc about the guy at the lodge is that my taxes go up and up every year and since they operate with my tax dollars i think that they should make sure that ANYONE they contract with should have to obey all the laws. If we all "just mind your own business" long enough you will be out of a job because if two companies both do quality work but on is 20%-30& cheaper who do you think is going to get the job? You may have a steady client base now but if you do not continue to grow your business the you might as well quit because you will not make it in the long haul.

[markam70]

I do...

I don't give a **** what anyone says, if you're turning in people working illegally, good for you.

Screw this "mind your own business" bullshit. I'm tired of being called a whiner because I don't like the fact that I play by the rules and others don't or won't, artificially lowering the value of my services... No, I don't go out of my way to search for illegal activity, but if the opportunity presents itself, I'll jump on it.

You can bet your ass that if I would have known who to call a couple weeks ago when I saw the guy with "best lawn care" and his phone number in crooked ass mailbox letters on ONE side of his beat-up truck's topper hauling a 10' trailer piled with bags of lesco fert and a spreader, I would have called him in right then and there.

so do you make a call on everyone you see speeding too?
i disagree that they are lowering the value of your services. you need to sell yourself as a professional and a reputable business and explain why their services are cheaper. i think everyone should be legit but instead of ratting them out i use that as a selling point when bidding a job. i don't call them out by name but do inform a potential client to research licensing, insurance certification, etc. and explain why they should ask the same of other companies.

[DiyDave]

I don't accept cash.... check or money order made out to the business name.
Every piece of U.S. currency that exists says this note is legal tender for ALL debts, public and private. You do take Cash!:usflag:

[KTO Enterprises]

Every piece of U.S. currency that exists says this note is legal tender for ALL debts, public and private. You do take Cash!:usflag:

And here is a tidbit I learned in economics class. If you bill me 2,500 for a job and I show up with 2,500 in pennies, and have a witness with me, you have to take it. If you refuse to be paid in any legal tender, cash or coins, the debt is free and clear and I wouldnt owe you a dime.

[Stillwater]

Every piece of U.S. currency that exists says this note is legal tender for ALL debts, public and private. You do take Cash!:usflag:

you are wrong. look it up or read below I can dictate how I want to be paid and I do not accept cash and havent for a very long time.


the Coinage Act of 1965, specifically Section 31 U.S.C. 5103, entitled "Legal tender," which states: "United States coins and currency (including Federal reserve notes and circulating notes of Federal reserve banks and national banks) are legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes, and dues."

This statute means that all United States money as identified above are a valid and legal offer of payment for debts when tendered to a creditor. There is, however, no Federal statute mandating that a private business, a person or an organization must accept currency or coins as for payment for goods and/or services. Private businesses are free to develop their own policies on whether or not to accept cash unless there is a State law which says otherwise. For example, a bus line may prohibit payment of fares in pennies or dollar bills. In addition, movie theaters, convenience stores and gas stations may refuse to accept large denomination currency (usually notes above $20) as a matter of policy.

[DiyDave]

Let us say that we agree to disagree, and call it done with!

[tinman]

Why is it that more LCO's than any other business choose to ignore the law? What I am talking about is that Ohio law states that if a truck is used for commercial purposes you must run a commercial license plate. I would say that about half of the ones i see on the road run a non comm plate.I have read on here posts by people that cliam to be 100% legit in on post then the next day they say they dont have commercial plates.I know people in many other field and nowere is it as bad as in this one.Recently while out of town we were at a state park that has a company that mows around the lodge and the offices,well they showed up on saturday morning and start to work when we were leaving to go out for the day I noticed the truck so I take a drive by to see what they have.Truck is lettered as is the enclosed trailer and both had non comm plates. When we got back to the lodge that evening I wrote a letter to the management explaining that since there salery and existence is based on tax dollars i feel that they should verify that any company the contrat with to do work on the property should be legal.I left him my name and phone# if he wanted to dicuss this and have not heard from him yet. I am not trying to get the job as i live 125 miles away.Also this is not just some part timers doing this but I have seen companies with mutiple truck and 10-15 employees that run like this.
Maybe that is a ridiculous requirement & should not be the law. Don't mistake illegal for wrong. Who does it harm?

[topsites]

I thought this over some in the past few days...

I agree with 5-0. Why should I just stand by silently and watch as rules are not enforced fairly. Thats bullshit. and let me tell you something DLAWNS, why dont I move to your area, work illegitimately, follow your trucks around, market to all your customers, steal your work with lower prices, all because I can since I wouldnt have all the overhead of a legit business. How would you like that?

I'm not entirely innocent, nor totally against it, but you got to do something in my face before I get upset, I don't go out of my way to find out who's legit or not, at least not anymore :laugh:

Because it does frustrate to see new fellers running around all smiley faced like whatever, in and of itself it's ok, until one or the other has the nerve to go ring on my customer's door after I just got done, and have a leetle conversation to the effect of 'hey u no i kan do it for cheeper than that guy you got...' or what have you. Oh, and it's no accident they rang THAT doorbell, sometimes I can see the bumper of some truck literally lurking around the corner, you just don't think much of it at the time.

Because I get it too, some fly-by-nighter or run-down op comes pulling up, sometimes while I'm WORKING there, and sells my customer some bs... Even if it's unrelated to what I do, I don't like it, it's MY customer and it's THEIR budget paying for it (translation: less $ for me), then half the time they get whatever work done dirt cheap and then 2-3 weeks later come crying to me about how lousy a job that feller did, or worse yet they got charged an exhorbitant rate.

I've had it where I got called 3-4 times in 1-2 hours by some customer totally upset about something they needed done YESTERDAY so I'm like OHHH KAY I'll be out tomorrow first thing to estimate... Then I get there and dude's in the driveway looking all smug, half the job I was supposed to estimate done. So I'm like seeing some serious angry thoughts, then later the customer has to tell me how this guy just gave her/him SUCH a good price they couldn't say no... Yeah, uh-huh, but I still get $30 for coming out like this, thank you.

So I sure won't lose no sleep if one or the other Lco on here happens to put some illegal out of operation either, some of these outfits just scream that.

Peace out y'all,

[lawnman_scott]

And here is a tidbit I learned in economics class. If you bill me 2,500 for a job and I show up with 2,500 in pennies, and have a witness with me, you have to take it. If you refuse to be paid in any legal tender, cash or coins, the debt is free and clear and I wouldnt owe you a dime.
look up the law, your dead wrong.

[KTO Enterprises]

That has got to be a record for the shortest topsites post yet.

[fiveoboy01]

so do you make a call on everyone you see speeding too?

Apples to oranges. Someone speeding does not affect my business.

i disagree that they are lowering the value of your services.

BS and you know it.

you need to sell yourself as a professional and a reputable business and explain why their services are cheaper.

Nope, because that equates to myself slandering or trying to cut down another LCO to get business, which I refuse to do. I will talk about myself and my own business practices, and if the customer can see the difference, then fine. Some don't see it and some do.

[KTO Enterprises]

look up the law, your dead wrong.

You have to make it known up front before service is rendered if you have any specific requests about cash payment. If you do work for me and dont tel me any specific requests for cash payments, I am by law allowed to pay you in any government recognized cash tender. If you refuse my method of payment I am free and clear of the debt.

Rusty Wallace made payment to NASCAR for a penalty for cursing in 1989, he made payment for the 5,000 fine in pennies. NASCAR had no choice but to accept the money as it is a legal form of tender for all debts, public and private, as they did not have a policy as to how payment for fines would be made.

[KTO Enterprises]

And by the way, who in their right mind doesnt accept cash. I prefer it when possible. no worries about bounced checks, or credit card fees.

[Stillwater]

Let us say that we agree to disagree, and call it done with!

If you are still "disagreeing" then you are not disagreeing with "me", apparently you are disagreeing with the law, did you read the law regarding the usage of money in the united states? It clearly says WE meaning YOU and I don't have to take cash if we chose not to. The reason I do not take cash is on the advice of my tax lawyer. Taking cash is a motive for fraud. I require a formal record of payment. It is a layer protection I choose to have.

Look don't take my word for it go to the United States Treasury's website at this link and see for yourself

http://www.ustreas.gov/education/faq/currency/legal-tender.shtml

[Stillwater]

And by the way, who in their right mind doesnt accept cash. I prefer it when possible. no worries about bounced checks, or credit card fees.

Well I must not be in my right mind, I am far to large to take cash I deal in tens of thousands Ya, I can see a customer giving me cash and then stacking it in a brief case like the mafia and drive around...... sure thats good business. I am not a LCO

[KTO Enterprises]

Must not be in the car business. Slogan is cash is king. I could be a million dollar a year business and would never think to refuse cash. Saves a trip to the bank.

[ccondie]

clarklawn - Who gives a ****. leave it alone, there not bothering you. Find somethign else to worry about.

[Stillwater]

You have to make it known up front before service is rendered if you have any specific requests about cash payment. If you do work for me and dont tel me any specific requests for cash payments, I am by law allowed to pay you in any government recognized cash tender. If you refuse my method of payment I am free and clear of the debt.

Rusty Wallace made payment to NASCAR for a penalty for cursing in 1989, he made payment for the 5,000 fine in pennies. NASCAR had no choice but to accept the money as it is a legal form of tender for all debts, public and private, as they did not have a policy as to how payment for fines would be made.

Exactly you are correct and why they had to accept the payment in that form is because NASCAR is NOT a private Business NASCAR is a association the law I quoted is private business. you should go the the link in my other post and read it for yourself.

[lawnman_scott]

You have to make it known up front before service is rendered if you have any specific requests about cash payment. If you do work for me and dont tel me any specific requests for cash payments, I am by law allowed to pay you in any government recognized cash tender. If you refuse my method of payment I am free and clear of the debt.

Rusty Wallace made payment to NASCAR for a penalty for cursing in 1989, he made payment for the 5,000 fine in pennies. NASCAR had no choice but to accept the money as it is a legal form of tender for all debts, public and private, as they did not have a policy as to how payment for fines would be made.No, your still wrong. Rusty was being Rusty and trying to prove his point. Nascar is a privatly owned company and can ban him or anyone for any reason. They just wanted it to go away.

Why not do a search for this? Maybe you can do better than the Rusty thing. Rusty wallace, the 1989 WC Champion was fined $5000 in 1997 for swearing.

[topsites]

Did you know it can be really bad news if you get pulled over by the police and you have a large amount of cash on you?
Yes they have to see it, but hiding it may not be what you had in mind, and what if they still saw it then?

You get pulled over and you have several thousand in cash on you, I can almost guarantee they will grill you over it, a few hundred might be ok, you can talk all you want about you just got paid for what, you + cash to the police = drug money.

This has happened to more than one of us around here, it is one reason I never carry large sums of money, thou in hindsight it's not a good idea anyhow :laugh:

[Budget]

All of my older customers pay in cash when they are home. Even for the bigger jobs too.

[Stillwater]

All of my older customers pay in cash when they are home. Even for the bigger jobs too.

give us more info what is a big job for you?

[KTO Enterprises]

Did you know it can be really bad news if you get pulled over by the police and you have a large amount of cash on you?
Yes they have to see it, but hiding it may not be what you had in mind, and what if they still saw it then?

You get pulled over and you have several thousand in cash on you, I can almost guarantee they will grill you over it, a few hundred might be ok, you can talk all you want about you just got paid for what, you + cash to the police = drug money.

This has happened to more than one of us around here, it is one reason I never carry large sums of money, thou in hindsight it's not a good idea anyhow :laugh:

I was taught at a young age to never leave home without cash. I carry a grand at all times. Race weekends I usually have 3 grand on me.

Cops+grilling me for having large amounts of cash=civil rights lawsuit.

Eshskis
I was partially wrong. I called a friend of mine at the bank and got him to explain the currency law to me. It is a state law here that I stated about not being able to refuse payment of cash if notice was not given before services rendered..

[Stillwater]

Eshskis
I was partially wrong. I called a friend of mine at the bank and got him to explain the currency law to me. It is a state law here that I stated about not being able to refuse payment of cash if notice was not given before services rendered..

Thats cool man were good....

[DLAWNS]

KTO I hope that you don't think that thats the kind of company that I am ,because if thats what you think you are sadly mistaken. I do not lowball, I do not follow other LCO's around and steal their work, and I do not work illegitimately. I do not believe that in my state that I need commercial tags, I could be wrong. However if I am right should I just get them anyway to make certain people at lawnsite happy? No. I can't see how you could say that I am not legit when like I said I pay thousands in insurance,workers comp., and tax out the a**. I am not trying to be a d***,because like I said earlier if an LCO is doing something harmful ie: dumping chemical or the example that you gave earlier they should be called in. Also, I am the first person to get pissed at some of these fly by nighters that work w/ no license, insurance, etc. and have the b*lls to call themselves a business. What pisses me off is the fact that these are the guys that are hurting our business. I try to remind myself that these guys that have no overhead might be able to lowball me and steal some of my work but if I lose a customer to them that customer wasn't worth my time. I have a very strong customer base that appreciates my quality work and has no problem with my pricing b/c they understand what it costs to have a beautiful yard. I love this business and am trying to build my company to be a very reputable and profit making business. I hope that clears some stuff up for ya.

[markam70]

Apples to oranges. Someone speeding does not affect my business.



BS and you know it.



Nope, because that equates to myself slandering or trying to cut down another LCO to get business, which I refuse to do. I will talk about myself and my own business practices, and if the customer can see the difference, then fine. Some don't see it and some do.

Speeding can affect your business, as you can be in an accident with someone who is speeding. The same with drunk drivers. I was hit head on by a drunk driver, but I still don't call the police everytime I see someone drinking a beer while driving. And my life means alot more to me than any business.

These companies are not lowering the value of your services. By explaining the difference of a company who is unlicensed/ uninsured and your company, you are able to justify the difference in prices. I'm not saying call the other companies out by name but advise the potential client to ask for a certificate of insurance, proof of licensing, etc. When the other lco's are unable to provide this info, you just separated yourself from your competition. What many people don't realize is if a lco without insurance or workmen's comp is working on their property and someone is injured or property is damaged, the homeowner is responsible. Sure it can be challenged in court but I do know of such an incident where an uninsured roofing company had a worker fall from a two story house and the homeowners were sued by the family. Their homeowners policy settled but who would want to go thru that.

[Stillwater]

Speeding can affect your business, as you can be in an accident with someone who is speeding. The same with drunk drivers. I was hit head on by a drunk driver, but I still don't call the police everytime I see someone drinking a beer while driving. And my life means alot more to me than any business.

These companies are not lowering the value of your services. By explaining the difference of a company who is unlicensed/ uninsured and your company, you are able to justify the difference in prices. I'm not saying call the other companies out by name but advise the potential client to ask for a certificate of insurance, proof of licensing, etc. When the other lco's are unable to provide this info, you just separated yourself from your competition. What many people don't realize is if a lco without insurance or workmen's comp is working on their property and someone is injured or property is damaged, the homeowner is responsible. Sure it can be challenged in court but I do know of such an incident where an uninsured roofing company had a worker fall from a two story house and the homeowners were sued by the family. Their homeowners policy settled but who would want to go thru that.


THANK YOU ! Finely someone who is on the same page as I.