Gas

[HOMER]

I just got an e-mail wanting everyone in Canada and the U.S.A. to boycott the gas pumps April 7th thru April 9th to send a message to OPEC that we want the price of gas to go down. Thinking is if we don't buy it for 3 days (entire North America) it will send a message to the folks that have us by the gonads! I heard on my news the other night that by April 87 octane will be $1.60 per gallon!!! I did a little math and that adds up. I figured I would be spending almost $40.00 per day on gas alone. I know some of you spend much more than that. I just thought I would pass it along, see what kind of response I got.<p>Homer

[cjcland]

i also got an email about this i wonder if it could work, like you say they have us by the balls, im thinking they would find out about this and just wait us out i know i cant go very long without buying gas. what can we do?<p>----------<br>CJC Landscape Management<br>Winter Haven, Florida

[lawrence stone]

Homer if you can't handle a little $40 per<br>day overhead increase maybe you should<br>reevaluate your current position in the lawn<br>care industry.<p>I suggest you sell off all your choppers,<br>keep your trimmers, edgers, blowers, trimming<br>mowers, hand tools, and a few small walk behinds and move to Las Vegas NV.<p>Five thousand NEW people move to Las Vegas<br>EVERY MONTH. They buy up this cheap track<br>homes on small lots, have irrigation, and<br>want to grow blue/ryegrass in the desert.<p>One dollar shrimp cocktails and five dollar<br>prime rib dinners abound.<p>Besides it's a dry heat compaired to the conditions you presently work.<p>

[HOMER]

Well thanks for that Larry, I never said I couldn't afford the few dollar increase over what I'm paying now. Its the principal behind the whole deal. Why would I want to sell a machine that aids me in getting my work done in 1/2 the time it would take the same people with walk behinds? Seems like money management is your forte and spending more because of a few ragheads out there dictating what, when , and how much we can have would surely get a rise out of you.<br>Anyway I was merely passing on an e-mail that I received, use it if you wish, cast it away if it doesn't apply, you know the drill.<p>I'm out of gas now!<p>Homer

[geogunn]

I've heard of the theory of not buying a product to protest the purveyor, but wouldn't that only work if you didn't use the product during the protest period?<p>for example, if I fill up all the tanks on the sixth, continue normal activities on the seventh and eighth like mowing and driving around, and then need to fill up all tanks again on the tenth...how has that gotten our point across? as long as you dont reduce your consumption, there is the same net usage. Iduno about this one.<p>GEO

[PLS]

If you stop to consder how many gallons flow through the US each day you would soon relize that just one day of stoped traffic would send a message to OPEC. There is no way they could stock pile that much fuel. It would look like a cartoon when the pipe gets pluged up and starts swelling. It would cost the fuel companys a fortune to reroute and shut down prodution. A snowball in hell has a better chance than no one using fuel for a day, much less 3 or 4. It would send a message. IF, thats a mighty big IF.<br>

[HOMER]

My point exactly. If is right.

[Charles]

Hey we should not blame the oil companies. With all these people going out and buying SUVs to go to the grocery store. How bright is that? Opec saw this and saw a goldmine in the making. Just like any good business would. We need big trucks to pull our equipment. Most people never ever go off road with their big SUV tanks. Did they ever stop to think that gas price may go up? Like they have done throughout history. We live in a very selfish self centered society. Its me me me. &quot;I am going to buy a SUV and I don't care If I use up 2 parking spaces and the whole road and all the gas and kill whomever I hit. Just as long as I have a bigger truck than anyone else&quot; That the way alot of people think.

[PLS]

Hey, I havn't forgotten the last time those suckers pulled the worlds biggest sham on us. In the late seventies early eightys. Gas shortages every where. All the while they have tankers sitting in the ocean they can't unload because the are hold back fuel from the destributers. Oh, we're running out of gas. Oh, got to drive 55 to save fuel. Oh, got to make them smaller to save fuel. Screw me once shame on them, Screw me twice shame on me!!!!<br>

[yardsmith]

I say lets give it a try. The situation will not correct itself if nothing is done. Does the phrase 'Boston Tea Party' ring any bells?<br>That was when people had had enough for big shots charging exhorbitant prices.<br>When we got pissed at management back in the days of working at the machine shop, everyone walking out for a day REALLY rocked the boat & got our message across. They are dependent upon us for fueling the fire by buying more & more- a self energizing situation for them. I say hit em where it hurts. Stock up ahead of time, & 'fast' for the few days. If it doesn't work then we're no worse off. Better to try & see, then to do nothing & wonder what if. Spread the word!<p>----------<br>Smitty ô¿ô<br>

[Charles]

What I am saying is that we should make ourselves less dependent on them for oil. Or they are going to continue to jerk us around as long as they can get away with it. I am not say that there is a shortage of gas and that suvs are causeing it. If we cut back on our consumption and find alternatives to oil then we can jerk them around for a change. Gas guzzeling automobile are making us more dependent on countries who don't care at all about us. But too if you make opec countries poor then we will just have to support them like we do everyone else. Suv are just part of the problem. All autos seem to be going back to bigger is better. There should be a balance. They need to make money and we need reasonable pricing. Our country just need to take more control of its destiny and conserve when we can easily do so as to not make us so dependent.

[SLSNursery]

Homer and others - Here in New Haven, 87 octane is already 1.60. And, rumor (from the sea faring types at the terminals) has it that the tankers are sitting offshore only to arrive when the land tanks are just about empty. It's like they (the big companies) are staging a mock shortage. Prices for diesel here are back down to around 1.65 after peaking at 2.25. The news last night said there would be more price rises in the future (big surprise). I plan to stock up on as much diesel as I can in the few big tanks that I have. That is what we did at the beginning of the winter, fortunately. <p>----------<br>Phil Grande - Soundview Landscape Supply - http://members.aol.com/slsnursery<br>Ivy League Landscaping - http://members.aol.com/scagrider

[1stclasslawns]

Lets go for it,but won't we all just fill up right befor? <br>Here we the U.S.A. send our troops over there risk their lives, ruin their health, AND their unborn kids health to what be screwed by them. WE the US Saved ALL their butts from Sadam Hussain, and heres the thanks we get. But that is another long story.<br>I say open up the Alaska, Texas, and Oklahoma oil fields and to hell with OPEC. <br>I would rather pay $2.00 a gal for American gas then $1.50 for theirs. If this was happening the dollers wouldnt be going out of the country.<br>And then again just watch out this IS an election year and SOMEONES going to pull somthing out of their hat to say look what we have done for you. Now you owe our party your votes.

[Guido]

a good point brought up in the last post. Sure we can go 3 days without buying fuel, but we need it, so we're going to stock up before and after the 3 days, which will make up sales anyway? I don't know if it would work. Also.....as regards to the post that brought up the gulf war, your right. Now my opinion, not the miltary and the U.S.'s!! ( I don't need to get kicked out of the Air Force!) Why do we risk our's ( the miltary) people life and your (the civillians and taxpayers) money fighting a war for someone els. (Like always!) I have no problem giving my life at any givin time for OUR US SOIL !! But back to the point, I would have made some kind od deal before we left there for some rights to oil or something along those lines. We bailed them out of some serious sh!+ and once they are back on their feet and don't need us anymore, Up our A$$ it goes!! I hope we can come up with some kind of plan to slow these prices down.<p>----------<br>&quot;guido&quot;<br>David M. Famiglietti

[cjcland]

lets just TAKE iraq we could make it the 51st state, and lawrence stone could put the iraqies to work as an alternative to his white slavery, he seems to know alot about mowing in the desert. <p>----------<br>CJC Landscape Management<br>Winter Haven, Florida

[bubba]

hey i say that we take stonehead<br>ship his ass to iraq work for himself<p><p>

[geogunn]

hey guys--lots of (crude [oil])energy is going into this discussion but you ought to face up to some reality.<p>(1)for the record--I'm a flag waving SUV driving SOB that feeds on tree huggers driving yugo's trying to convince me that my gas sucking ways are evil. I know they are evil and ILOVEIT!!!<p>(2) as I fill up, I flip the man a fifty dollar bill and I'm not happy about that.<p>(3) see number two above. can I (we) do any thing about it? not likely. I can sell my beloved SUV and climb in a yugo with the tree huggers but someone else would buy my SUV, burn probably more high octane fuel and then run over me with the blamed thing. no thanks, I'll keep the keys.<p>(4) Here's the real deal. for you guys that think gasoline comes out of an oil well...uhhh...HELLO!!!...that was a false report! gasoline is refined from crude oil. crude oil comes out of the oil wells. crude oil is shipped to refineries in the US for processing into various petroleum products. each barrel of crude oil yields quantities of:<p>asphalt and other heavy bituminous products, fuel heating oil, jet fuel,<br> diesel style fuels, light petroleum IE. kerosene and almost lastly and leastly...GASOLINE!<p>Believe it or not, only a small percentage of a barrel of arab crude (or for that matter any crude domestic or import) winds up available as gasoline for our exmarks, dixies, lescos and yugos!<p>sorry folks, that's the facts! I wish us all the best at the pump!<p>GEO

[bw]

i'm all for boycotting the gouging(however you spell it)basterds, that's right put the small man out of business. I'm going to hook a duracell 9 volt up to my equipment, or a really long extension cord. the hell with gas when i've got batteries and electricity ha ha, when all else fails get a sense of humor, doesn't cost a dime.

[BFreiburger]

Has any body gave thought to LP conversions for Mowers and Trucks? My Dad runs his farm on LP fuel. Very clean running but plan on 90% HP compared to Gas.

[kountryscape]

hey the price of lp is 83 cents per gallon it was 53 cents last year thats way up there try heating a greenhouse with that price the price of bedding plants is going up!

[Bobby]

I was told that there is enough natural gas under Texas to run our country for two hundread years. We pay to much for everything because our government wants to run the world instead of our country.It's like an upsidedown pyramid. Without real reform,it will fall. Bobby

[BFreiburger]

Just got off the phone with my LP supplier, he said typically Summer LP prices fall to about 1/2 that in Winter. In my area that would be about .54 cent @ gallon. The cost to convert a 25 HP Kohler is $230 for the parts plus the cost of a tank. A Forklift tank is 12&quot; by 36&quot; approx (8 Gallons). The cost is approx $100.<br>

[BFreiburger]

I forgot to mention that the conversion would allow you to run either LP or Gas with the positioning of a switch. The cost to convert a Ford 460 with Carb would be approx $561 for parts less the LP Tank.