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Robert Doubrava
09-19-2001, 03:49 PM
i went to www.briggsandstratton.com and found a new engine they are producing. it is called FOURCE. it is the size of a gas-powered weed eater , but you dont hava to mix any two cycle oil in the gasoline. it takes normal gas! just thought yall would like to know. i am probably going to buy a weed eater with one of those engines on it when they come out. if anyone has any comments, go ahead and reply.
Robert
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HOWARD JONES
09-19-2001, 04:22 PM
Ryobi, for one, already makes a 4-cycle line trimmer.

Robert Doubrava
09-19-2001, 04:23 PM
i did not know that. do you know what models have that type of engine?

HOWARD JONES
09-19-2001, 04:40 PM
Go to "Ryobi" website, then lawn products - it shows 4 models: 825r, 875r, 890r, 1079r MSRP from $149 to $239 - I think there were 2 main drivers for this design - less hassle with mixing oil, etc and low emissions. I think they will be a bit heavier and possibly less powerful than the best 2 cycles, but they do have their advantages. New model 2-cycles are also made for lower emissions.

Tony
09-19-2001, 08:04 PM
Honda makes them, RedMax has then and Robin has them but I still prefer the two stroke. I love the light weight of the two stroke plus the power. The four stroke has more moving parts such as intake and exhaust valves etc. If you must have one the Honda or Robin units are the best out there, Not Briggs or Ryobi.


Tony

khouse
09-19-2001, 10:49 PM
Robert,
I owned a Ryobi 4 stroke on a trimmer about 5 years ago. It would turn 7500 rpm and had as much power as my Redmax 2300's. But the weight just beat me down. I think it was 17 pounds. Redmax is 11 pounds or so. I would buy another mini 4 stroke but on a edger or tiller. I saw today that Honda is now putting their 4 stroke on the mini tiller. I would like to have it.

Robert Doubrava
09-21-2001, 06:19 PM
i was interested in the 4 strokes because the exaust ports dont clog up as much as 2 cycle engines.

Robert Doubrava
09-21-2001, 10:33 PM
the new engine from briggs is supposed to be more powerful than 2 cycles,start easier,has more torque,cleaner operation or lower emissions, and a lot more stuff. just in case your wondering, i got all that info from the website. if anyone wants to see it, go to www.briggsandstratton.com then scroll down and click "Learn more about Fource". then scroll to look at the features and all that stuff.

vipermanz
09-22-2001, 03:51 AM
eh, i like running 2 stroke equipment anyhow, no oil changes

Robert Doubrava
09-22-2001, 10:24 AM
yeah, 2 cycle engines are lighter than those new 4 cycle engines.

TFL
09-23-2001, 01:02 AM
Haven't heard anything about the briggs but the Honda 4-cycle is my favorite weedeater engine ever:D

Robert Doubrava
09-23-2001, 08:06 PM
yeah, Hondas are great engines in my opinion :D

thelandscaper27
09-27-2001, 11:24 PM
I tried the new 4cycle weed eater. To me, it was heavy and took more oil than gas. You can't angle them like you can with the 2cycles.

Robert Doubrava
09-27-2001, 11:29 PM
what kind of engine was on it? and yes, they will flood like all 4 cycles when turned at an angle.

carlsmower
10-09-2001, 05:11 PM
WHY WOULD YOU WANT A 4 STROKE??
THE INTIAL REASON FOR A 4 STROKE WAS TO PASS EMISSIONS REGS, THERE IS NOT A MINI FOUR OUT THERE THAT CAN PASS EMISSIONS STANDARDS FOR 300 HOURS WHICH IS WHAT THE EPA CONSIDERS THE "COMMERCIAL" CUT OFF, HONDA CAN ONLY MAKE IT 150 HOURS. ALSO HOW ABOUT OIL CHANGES?? DON'T NEED TO DO THAT WITH A 2 CYCLE!! CHECK OUT THE TANAKA PUREFIRE IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A CLEAN ONE!

75
10-09-2001, 08:15 PM
Carl - please refrain from posting in "ALL-CAPS" - it's harder to read, and caps are the keyboard equivalent of YELLING! :eek: at everyone!

Thanks! :)

Robert Doubrava
10-09-2001, 08:49 PM
i went to the website, and it shows that the new engine exceeds emission standards. in other words, its supposed to be better than 2 strokes, it also stated.

Robert Doubrava
10-10-2001, 10:11 PM
if i do buy a gas powered weed eater, id probably buy a stihl trimmer. i think the fs75 is a good model.

vipermanz
10-11-2001, 06:30 PM
go with a kawasaki trimmer

Robert Doubrava
10-25-2001, 12:19 AM
i would consider it, but i dont have a kawasaki dealer here. the only dealer i know only sells stihl, echo, and poulan trimmers.

keifer
11-18-2001, 01:11 AM
Robert if you will run your two strokes wide open 95% of the time they wont clog up near as much.

Robert Doubrava
11-18-2001, 01:15 AM
uh huh. that carbon really clogs it up!

JoeSig
11-29-2001, 03:44 PM
thats what shuts down most two cycle engine is that carbon build up . If people would just run their machines at 75% and up and not 'bump' the thottle they would reduce build up and get a better cut. that's just my exp anywho:p

strickdad
12-01-2001, 03:39 AM
robin also makes a 4 stroke weedeater..

vipermanz
12-01-2001, 03:58 AM
run a leaner gas to oil ratio no less than 50:1

65hoss
12-01-2001, 05:55 AM
I think the new PRO mag has a picture of one in it. I would probably consider the honda first, but weight would need to be considered. During the hottest part of summer a heavy trimmer would likely end up in storage.

weve
12-01-2001, 10:50 PM
I saw the new Shindaiwa 4-stroke trimmer this week at the Peoria Farm Show. It uses the 2-cycle oil in the gas just like the 2-stroke engines. Stihl is making a similar one which is to be available next summer. They say it weighs only 6 oz. more than their 2-stroke.

vipermanz
12-02-2001, 04:08 AM
Shindaiwa??, i would go after that

bharrison
12-13-2001, 08:40 PM
For what it's worth, I have owned a Ryobi 1079r 4 stroke for two years now with no problems. I would classify use as "Heavy Homeowner" as I use it to trim, edge, and blow my yard & a few others down the road.
Engine has never given me trouble starting, and is suprisingly quieter than a 2-stroke.

-Ben

Robert Doubrava
12-13-2001, 08:57 PM
Was it heavy to you? And I really like the new B&S 4 cycle. I have not bought one yet, though.