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Mike Leary
10-09-2007, 05:45 PM
Just got a call from a general contractor (who's a friend) asking me to take
a look at a system that my "competition" (ho ho) installed last year. Talkin'
about "issues in coverage", which we know means 12' centers no FC no rear
loads..having trouble with turf coverage too. Original installer not returning
calls (jeez!, wonder why). Question..do I bother? Would you go over knowing
you'll prolly tell the client to rip it end to end?

NNL&LS
10-09-2007, 05:50 PM
Sure, why not? Not your fault they didn't call on you in the first place.

CAPT Stream Rotar
10-09-2007, 05:54 PM
Just got a call from a general contractor (who's a friend) asking me to take
a look at a system that my "competition" (ho ho) installed last year. Talkin'
about "issues in coverage", which we know means 12' centers no FC no rear
loads..having trouble with turf coverage too. Original installer not returning
calls (jeez!, wonder why). Question..do I bother? Would you go over knowing
you'll prolly tell the client to rip it end to end?

yup...be blunt..

my2...no sugar coating.

Mike Leary
10-09-2007, 05:59 PM
Sure, why not? Not your fault they didn't call on you in the first place.

Still have trouble making a grown man cry...this is a big boy system.
Lawyers could get involved..only run one season..getting too old for this
crap.

Flow Control
10-09-2007, 06:24 PM
Mike, know how you feel.

I would not do it and if it is a big boy project you know once you get in that web you will be involved more down the road and it will be come a inconvenience

Mike Leary
10-09-2007, 06:28 PM
Mike, know how you feel.

I would not do it and if it is a big boy project you know once you get in that web you will be involved more down the road and it will be come a inconvenience

Pretty much my feeling too. tough to turn work down..but re do sites are NOT
real work.:cry:

londonrain
10-09-2007, 06:29 PM
Can't make Chicken salad out of chicken shi$......

Mike Leary
10-09-2007, 06:33 PM
Can't make Chicken salad out of chicken shi$......

ROTFL..when I first started out..I'd have taken it....words of wisdom London.
I guess a sidebar is important..I know the irri contractor too..have given him
crap for years about his style..he's always laughed at me saying, "keep it simple,
Mike". Well here we go again about "simple".

Kiril
10-09-2007, 08:29 PM
If your really not up to it, take his advise, keep it simple and stay away. ;)

You know as well as anyone, sometimes cases like these can be fixed by simple renozzle or swapping out sprinklers.

Course you could always go and consult but decline to fix.

FIMCO-MEISTER
10-09-2007, 08:32 PM
Pretty much my feeling too. tough to turn work down..but re do sites are NOT
real work.:cry:

Don't say that. Re do work is all I do.:cry:

BrandonV
10-09-2007, 08:49 PM
I don't like getting tied into things, especailly if it might go to court... then they'll want you to testify/write letters stating this and that. but hey if they're paying the consulation fees I guess there are clean jobs in landscaping too.

Mjtrole
10-09-2007, 08:54 PM
Still have trouble making a grown man cry...this is a big boy system.
Lawyers could get involved..only run one season..getting too old for this
crap.

If the job had specs and drawing then I would go for it. In situations like this I like to go in and give a write up of the way the project was installed compared to the drawings and specs. Of course all of this being billed by the hour.

If this is a big system on a large project then you should have your foot in the door to do the necessary repairs and the bill should be picked up by the original contractors insurance/bonding company and you all know how profitable insurance work is.

Greenguy1
10-10-2007, 06:56 AM
Go for it !! you have all winter to sit in court esp. if being paid for it.

FIMCO-MEISTER
10-10-2007, 07:02 AM
Go for it !! you have all winter to sit in court esp. if being paid for it.

Mike wants to bum around in his Airstream not sit in court. Court is a mental beating and for those who like to get things done watching the wheels of justice turn can be demoralizing. Also they will look into your past and do anything to discredit you.

PurpHaze
10-10-2007, 08:30 AM
I know the irri contractor too..have given him
crap for years about his style..he's always laughed at me saying, "keep it simple, Mike". Well here we go again about "simple".

There's something to be said about keeping a system simple. Good contractors often present three "ideas"... simple, medium and high-dollar which the customer can then choose from depending on resources. However, every one of them needs to be grounded in basic irrigation principles so the end result is good for the customer and good for the turf/plants. This is beyond "simple" and doesn't meet the basic hydrolics so crap happens.

Perhaps one zone/area can be renovated and then the results weighed against the rest of the system? A visual picture of the problem sometimes will do the trick.

PurpHaze
10-10-2007, 08:31 AM
Mike wants to bum around in his Airstream not sit in court. Court is a mental beating and for those who like to get things done watching the wheels of justice turn can be demoralizing. Also they will look into your past and do anything to discredit you.

They'd have to find him first and serve him. :laugh:

Mike Leary
10-10-2007, 03:33 PM
Thanks for the comments & insights...did some checking w/other subs about
the client..ex Army General..expert on everything...hands on to the point of
exasperation...seems HE told the irri guy how to do it & then when plants
started croaking..blamed the contractor! One of those sites we hope to ALL
be too busy to look at! :dizzy:

Kiril
10-10-2007, 04:21 PM
expert on everything...hands on to the point of
exasperation...seems HE told the irri guy how to do it & then when plants
started croaking..blamed the contractor!

Don't walk, run man, run for your life.
:nono: :walking:
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Mike Leary
10-10-2007, 04:30 PM
Don't walk, run man, run for your life.
:nono: :walking:
http://www.websmileys.com/sm/animal/527.gif

"thum thum thum thum" :sound of Airstream idling. So nice to be in a market
so long as to have trusted subs/friends who one can communicate honestly
with.:)