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cat2
10-18-2007, 09:49 AM
This one guy that I know wants to take a rope and hook his pick-up and my bobcat back to back to see what one will pull the most. He has a chevy Z71

MarcSmith
10-18-2007, 10:11 AM
I'd venture to say the bobcat with its low end grunt will pull the chevy around the lot,

SiteSolutions
10-18-2007, 10:19 AM
Better get a strong rope.
Take some video.

cat2
10-18-2007, 10:20 AM
The bobcat weighs more. So maybe your right. I may just have to hook on him one of these days:laugh:

cat2
10-18-2007, 10:21 AM
Better get a strong rope.
Take some video.

Have to have video of this.:)

tallrick
10-18-2007, 12:27 PM
It depends on the surface you will be on. In sand or mud it depends on tires, on dirt or pavement I would think the Bobcat would win. Better use a chain instead of a rope though, I remember doing this with my M610 and breaking the rope which whacked against the ROPS! I was pulling a truck out of the mud with the little Bobcat from a paved street. As a challenge I hooked the bobcat to a tire service truck and get more traction till the engine stalled. The joke was on him though because I just pushed the sticks forward and he couldn't move me. Do let us know if you try your experiment!

cat2
10-18-2007, 12:47 PM
more I talk to him about it less and less he wants to do it:cry:

rutwad
10-18-2007, 12:51 PM
more I talk to him about it less and less he wants to do it:cry:

Make it seem as though you're not interested, but "I guess we can, but don't drag me fast and you better stop" attitude.

cat2
10-18-2007, 01:21 PM
I just want to make sure that I win, not that he really would pull me around, and make me look like a fool

cat2
10-18-2007, 01:25 PM
Just so everyone knows the kind of bobcat I have, most people do. 2007 S-160 K series. With the counter weight, so I will be that much more heavier. And make sure I have a full tank of fuel.I don't have any tracks on. Because I work on cement some of the time. The tires are about like new. It only has 400 hours on it.

Scag48
10-18-2007, 05:00 PM
Depends on how you hook it up. If you hook the bucket to the back of the truck and pull going backwards, definately you'll pull him. The truck will more than likely break traction and as soon as the rear tires start to spin, he's done. I don't see that happening as easily with the weight distribution of the Bobcat.

dozerman21
10-18-2007, 10:37 PM
It depends on the surface you will be on. In sand or mud it depends on tires, on dirt or pavement I would think the Bobcat would win. Better use a chain instead of a rope though, I remember doing this with my M610 and breaking the rope which whacked against the ROPS! I was pulling a truck out of the mud with the little Bobcat from a paved street. As a challenge I hooked the bobcat to a tire service truck and get more traction till the engine stalled. The joke was on him though because I just pushed the sticks forward and he couldn't move me. Do let us know if you try your experiment!

DON'T USE A CHAIN! If you think the rope was bad, what about a chain smacking against the machine or going through the back window of the truck? I've seen them break in similar situations, and it's like a bullet when that link breaks. I've heard of guys being severly hurt or even killed by a broken chain. Chains aren't a good choice to pull or tow. If you have to use one, wrap something soft but heavy enough around the middle to keep the chain from flying if it does break. The best thing to use is a heavy duty tow strap that is stronger and will give a little.

Construct'O
10-18-2007, 10:51 PM
What is the pickup???? You will be surprised what 4-wheel drives pull,just check out the pickup pullers.He can weight his down also ,unless your making rules.He might just go get part of a load of sand for traction and weight.Your talking lots more HP here you know!

If your using tow rope better not let him get a run for it.Seen way back when,:) they had pickups against tractor(big),started with 4 ,dragged the tractor all over the place.Went to just 2 and still dragged it.

Just my experiences.You might better think it over a little more:waving: Good luck,be careful, have fun!!!!!:usflag:

Fieldman12
10-18-2007, 11:07 PM
Well, I guess I should put my opinion since Im a pulling fan. :) Something you may want to consider is if your pulling from the rear on the Bobcat you will be hooked down low on the machine and on the truck you will be hooked higher at ther receiver. This would pull the truck down in the back giving it traction and the truck would pull up on the back of the skid steer. The skid steer will have more weight as long as the truck does not have a full bed. I have a feeling the front of the skid steer would start standing up if the bucket is empty. I think depending on the truck he could put up a descent fight and if he played his cards right he may win.

Fieldman12
10-18-2007, 11:09 PM
Now that I look back and see that it is a Z71 which would be a half ton I bet you would win but I think he would be tough to beat. I think the skid steer has some things against it but it is allot of weight in one spot which helps it out more than anything.

Fieldman12
10-18-2007, 11:11 PM
I still think if the truck gave the skid a good jerk he could lift the wheels enough to pull the skid. That is my final bet. :)

Fieldman12
10-18-2007, 11:28 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QO5CRaYTiLo

This was not only a bad idea but if he was going to do it he should have put it up the pole to get some leverage.

cat2
10-19-2007, 01:22 PM
What is the pickup???? You will be surprised what 4-wheel drives pull,just check out the pickup pullers.He can weight his down also ,unless your making rules.He might just go get part of a load of sand for traction and weight.Your talking lots more HP here you know!

If your using tow rope better not let him get a run for it.Seen way back when,:) they had pickups against tractor(big),started with 4 ,dragged the tractor all over the place.Went to just 2 and still dragged it.

Just my experiences.You might better think it over a little more:waving: Good luck,be careful, have fun!!!!!:usflag:



He has to be empty. And I can't have anything in the bucket. We have have to get the tow rope tight and then go no jerking.

cat2
10-19-2007, 01:24 PM
I'm not sure what the best way to hook it up yet.

Stillwater
10-19-2007, 02:28 PM
I have done this before more than once, the bobcat wins on almost all surfaces.

If you do this you need 2 lanyards on the tow rope on either end incase the line snaps it will absorb the energy in the tow rope before it hits the truck or skid. It is not stupid when done safely it is called playing when you stop playing in life you stop liveing

Tigerotor77W
10-19-2007, 03:22 PM
Hmm... take video, for sure. I would've thought that the pickup would win, but I haven't quite come to appreciate how heavy SSLs are compared even to pickups. (It's funny -- people who design D11s think SSLs are toys; since SSLs are about the same size as pickups, I can't quite grasp that pickups are still lighter than SSLs.)

Oh my inexperience... :)

cat2
10-19-2007, 04:34 PM
He said the heck with the bobcat, he wants to hook up to my truck:nono: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: He must be :drinkup: A little too much:dizzy:

SiteSolutions
10-19-2007, 11:26 PM
Hmm... take video, for sure. I would've thought that the pickup would win, but I haven't quite come to appreciate how heavy SSLs are compared even to pickups. (It's funny -- people who design D11s think SSLs are toys; since SSLs are about the same size as pickups, I can't quite grasp that pickups are still lighter than SSLs.)

Oh my inexperience... :)

I would bet the two particular machines under discussion are close in weight. (My F-350 outweighs my T-190 by close to a half ton.) I would put a couple bucks on the S-160, though, just due to it having true 4wd vs. the 'limited skid' in the Z-71. I wouldn't bet my life savings on either. As a side bet, I would put a couple more that the truck breaks before the loader; it's drivetrain is definitely better suited to abuse.

P.Services
10-19-2007, 11:34 PM
just hook the chain to your bucket and when he says go lift his a$$ end off the ground and drag him around like a red headed stepchild in walmart.

Stillwater
10-20-2007, 01:46 AM
I always did it back to back

tallrick
10-20-2007, 02:39 AM
After discussion with a friend the conclusion is more clear. He did try a tug of war between a Bobcat 843 and a F350 and the Bobcat was pulling the truck while its tires were spinning. He tried the same thing with a friend using an old Dodge ramcharger with mud tires and the Dodge pulled the Bobcat a little before both dug in. This was done in a field so traction was the main issue. The higher truck seemed to put the Bobcat at a disadvantage but it still could not get enough traction to pull it far.

As for the chain breaking, I have been lucky, the only time I saw one break was while pulling a stack of 1" steel road plates and somehow the plate caught a boulder and the chain snapped, but it never flew up just balled up on both ends. When I use a chain myself, I put it inside a hollow tow strap first, just in case. Even a tow strap can be hazardous, so I am not sure of the safest way to pull when facing the load. Back to back is safer but you might just wheelie unless you grab the Bobcat's frame low.

The pole pulling video reminds me of a neighbor trying to remove a satellite dish. I took the dish for him and was going to remove the pole as a courtesy. I brought the Bobcat and a jackhammer, and started chipping the concrete to try and loosen it enough to pull out. The ground is solid rock about 12 inches below the grass. Usually I would chip down about a foot and then smack the pipe down with a vibratory hammer, then pull it out. He thought it was better to just pull it out. Of course I could not do that with the M610, so he got his truck and a tow strap. Same idea as the video. Strap lasted 6 or 7 pulls then snapped. I let him use my chain and he started pulling. The pole bent and his truck jumped forward so fast that it took out his shed. With the pole bent I simply chained the end of it to the Bobcat and went in a circle, then pulled it out. Also had to help pull the truck out of the shed mess. Why is there never a camera around when the disasters happen?

Tigerotor77W
10-20-2007, 03:13 AM
This was done in a field so traction was the main issue.

Did the Bobcat's engine stall?

And SiteSolutions, you may have had a point. :) I certainly have much to learn.

marc21
10-20-2007, 12:09 PM
You don't have to worry about the chain breaking, i have never broke a chain but then again i use fairly large chain. The chain doesn't break, it's watever the chain is hooked to. IE Tow hooks, bumpers, trailer hitch. I have some war wounds on my tailgate from peoples tow hooks breaking.

cat2
10-20-2007, 07:18 PM
I feel better now. I think I can take him. I hope so, because this guy is kind of:dizzy: so if I lose everyone on planet earth will hear about it, heck he may even go to mars trying to find someone to tell there too. I think this will take place on a gravel road.

dozerman21
10-20-2007, 09:16 PM
You don't have to worry about the chain breaking, i have never broke a chain but then again i use fairly large chain. The chain doesn't break, it's watever the chain is hooked to. IE Tow hooks, bumpers, trailer hitch. I have some war wounds on my tailgate from peoples tow hooks breaking.

Are you serious? A chain won't break? It doesn't matter matter what grade it is, a chain can always break. It may not, or hasn't for you, but if it does break under a heavy load it can be very dangerous if it is not weighted down, or like tallrick said, inside a hollow tow strap. I've had them break on me numerous times, but I was prepared for it in case that happened.

Fieldman12
10-20-2007, 09:24 PM
Allot of tractor pulls they use to use chains to escort the tractors around in the pits and to the track until one came loose and killed someone. So keep in mind something on the machine or truck could break or the chain could just come loose and hurt someone.

cat2
10-20-2007, 11:02 PM
Allot of tractor pulls they use to use chains to escort the tractors around in the pits and to the track until one came loose and killed someone. So keep in mind something on the machine or truck could break or the chain could just come loose and hurt someone.


Thats what I'm worried about. I don't want anyone to get hurt. Some say use a strong chain, others say use a strong rope. I'm not sure how I'm going to hook it up to the bobcat yet have to think about it more. I think I would be able to pull more driving forward than trying to back up, don't you:confused:

marc21
10-20-2007, 11:04 PM
I'm not saying chains can't break, i'm saying it's more likely for something else to break. it takes ALOT of force to break a chain.

tallrick
10-20-2007, 11:05 PM
Did the Bobcat's engine stall?

And SiteSolutions, you may have had a point. :) I certainly have much to learn.

No the Bobcat kept running and turning the tires. The frame of the machine ended up at ground level and the truck was just spinning its wheels. Once you sink down far enough, nothing can climb out. I think he told me he was able to get the bobcat unstuck once disconencted, and helped get the truck out of the hole.

marc21
10-20-2007, 11:41 PM
Thats what I'm worried about. I don't want anyone to get hurt. Some say use a strong chain, others say use a strong rope. I'm not sure how I'm going to hook it up to the bobcat yet have to think about it more. I think I would be able to pull more driving forward than trying to back up, don't you:confused:

Unless you go out and buy a $180 rope, use a chain. Most ropes snap just like chains unless you buy the exspensive good ones. The rope i have is 6" wide and it made for pulling cats, it doesn't snap it frays and falls to ground. Ropes are also good for pulling out someone who's stuck in mud or something. if you properly use chain it is safe. Don't yank on chain, slowly pull apart till chain is tight and make sure the chain is secured to something solid, very solid.

Fieldman12
10-21-2007, 12:21 AM
I think you would pull better going forward. The main thing is keeping all four wheels on the ground. That can be hard with a skid steer since they are tipsy by nature. I could see the track breaking waaayyyy before the skid steer. The skid steer is to expect at times not being able to push something. The truck is not designed for that.One way to get the slack out of a chain is like they do at the tractor pulls. Have a guy stading in the center holding the chain up as both sides creep forward. When chain is ready to start pulling out of had let go and chain will be jsut right. Hard to explain but if you go to tractor pulls very much you see them doing it that way all the time. It's allot safer than both sides trying to pull all the slack out.

Fieldman12
10-21-2007, 12:24 AM
Truck breaking before the skid is what I mean. I think you can take him since he is only a half ton but I bet he puts up a better fight than ya think and as long as he dont start trying to jerk. Some guys get wild and its either make it or break it.

marc21
10-21-2007, 01:32 AM
i read earlier you said it was gonna be done on gravel? If so i would put my money on 100%

cat2
10-21-2007, 11:26 AM
What I have to do is put the chain in both of the " tie down" spots in the back of the bobcat. Does everyone no what I'm talking about its were if you drove the bobcat on a trailer you take a chain, one on each side and tie it down. Other wise if I just hook it up to one when we pull he is going to pull me sideways. And we don't want that.

rutwad
10-21-2007, 12:25 PM
If you notice that it is REAL easy to pull the truck once you start, you could toy with him for a while by easing up letting him pull you just a little. That way he may try even harder (better video) since it appears he may have a chance at winning.

Fieldman12
10-21-2007, 03:16 PM
I know where your talking about hooking it too on the Bobcat. There is really no good place to hook it at. It kind of hooks you low there which I really dont like for what your trying to do. I thik it would be better higher up but not much higher.

Tigerotor77W
10-21-2007, 08:20 PM
No the Bobcat kept running and turning the tires. The frame of the machine ended up at ground level and the truck was just spinning its wheels. Once you sink down far enough, nothing can climb out. I think he told me he was able to get the bobcat unstuck once disconencted, and helped get the truck out of the hole.

Gotcha -- thanks for the clarification.

cat2
10-22-2007, 10:35 PM
Well this sucks, now that I'm all ready for him, he doesn't want to do it, because he must have thought about it more and knows he will lose